https://wiki.mch2022.org/api.php?action=feedcontributions&feedformat=atom&user=BronsenMCH2022 wiki - User contributions [en]2026-04-18T06:50:48ZUser contributionsMediaWiki 1.35.6https://wiki.mch2022.org/index.php?title=Memories&diff=18130Memories2022-08-03T18:39:28Z<p>Bronsen: /* Blog posts */ added link to my friend's ctf blog post</p>
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Please add links to your photo albums, videos, feeds, blogs, articles and so on!<br />
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Lots of stuff can be found on #MCH2022 on [https://twitter.com/mch2022camp twitter]. The recorded talks are appearing on the [https://media.ccc.de/c/MCH2022 C3VOC] site and the [https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCHmPMdU0O9P_W6I1hNyvBIQ MCH2022 YouTube channel].<br />
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== Albums / Photos & videos ==<br />
* [[POIDH|Pictures or it did not happen]]<br />
* Noor: gallery of ~10 GB of 1500+ pictures and video coming soon. Day 0 to 6.<br />
* https://kiekjes.haas-en-berg.nl/ (photos with dates between 2022-07-14 and 2022-07-30 are released as CC 4.0 BY)<br />
* I used the opportunity for a short walk around in the morning 2022-07-24, too late to complete b/c many people got up while filming. nearly no persons at all in videos and photos. all persons appearing within 30m have been asked for permissions / agreement for publication '''on mch websites'''. despite this, the yt links below are available for "link owners only", for now. my sources are 4K videos and photos, about 4 MB/s or 8 MB/picture, total ~1450 MB. please contact me if interested in any part, with minute:second index in video. high probability that upload / publish of source videos / photos will not happen if not requested by anyone. if interested or in case of problems: please contact me, to get that corrected asap: mdb, mark dominik bürkle, dect 6320, dominik.buerkle@web.de Links to videos: [https://youtu.be/05WMYhThSs4 (ld lq)], [https://youtu.be/ED_9uUESsDA (sd lq)], [https://youtu.be/THRC-4piae0 (hd lq)]<br />
* General Flickr MCH2022 : https://www.flickr.com/search/?text=MCH2022<br />
* [https://www.flickr.com/photos/edwinmartin/albums/72177720300850458 Edwin's tiny photo album] (7 photos, 3 videos)<br />
* [https://twitter.com/boosty_/status/1552359481803153408 @boosty_'s tiny photo thread on Twitter] - [https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/4.0/ CC BY-NC 4.0], except the video of the worm.<br />
* [https://www.flickr.com/photos/196172995@N06/ Dale's Memories of MCH2022]<br />
* [https://twitter.com/ProcyonViolet/status/1553056744313683968 @ProcyonViolet's long photo thread on Twitter]<br />
•*[https://twitter.com/ijonberlin/status/1553700370593054720 @ijonberlin's photo thread on Twitter]<br />
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== Faster random access to memories ==<br />
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Hints on how to preserve your memories to recall them faster and let them last longer.<br />
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* How to remove your wristband without damaging the fabric [https://twitter.com/russss/status/1552258476805705732 using Gallium] or using [https://twitter.com/jhewitt_net/status/1552360175599771650 a vise].<br />
* Train your [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Retrospective_memory retrospective memory] to better recall your experience later. Maybe write a retrospective: what did you see? Who did you meet? What great experiences did you have? What would you do different next time? Save your photos and annotate them, etc.<br />
* Make backups of your photos and videos. ;-)<br />
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== Blog posts ==<br />
* [https://mch2022.org/#/Blog MCH2022 blog]<br />
* [https://dojoe.github.io/hackmeifyoucan/ Solving the MCH2022 badge CTF challenge]<br />
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== News articles ==<br />
Go to [[News]] for articles, and as you find...<br />
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== Twitter / Social media accounts with a lot of stuff ==<br />
* [https://twitter.com/MCH2022Camp @MCH2022Camp - retweets of almost all MCH-related tweets and announcements]<br />
* [https://twitter.com/search?q=MCH2022&src=typed_query&f=live Twitter search for latest MCH2022 tweets]<br />
* [https://twitter.com/hashtag/mch2022?src=hashtag_click Twitter search for top #MCH2022 hashtag tweets]<br />
* [https://chaos.social/@mch2022camp @MCH2022Camp - reposts of MCH2022 stuff on Mastodon]<br />
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* ...</div>Bronsenhttps://wiki.mch2022.org/index.php?title=Feedback&diff=18128Feedback2022-08-03T16:57:17Z<p>Bronsen: /* General / overall */ yes good camp</p>
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== Topics == <br />
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=== General / overall ===<br />
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* So happy about the progressive pride and Antifa flag on the tower<br />
* Awesome event again, thanks to everyone who did their part to making it such -- [[User:SK|SK]] ([[User talk:SK|talk]])<br />
* It was fantastic and I am already stoked for the next one! -- [[User:Mosquito|Mosquito]] ([[User talk:Mosquito|talk]])<br />
** +1 Agreement from my side -- [[User:Foorschtbar|Foorschtbar]] ([[User talk:Foorschtbar|talk]])<br />
* I had a great camp overall, it was way more comfortable than I'd expected and things seemed to run smoothly. Being greeted by progressive pride flag on the Orga tent and tower instantly made me feel at ease. -- [[User:Dany|Dany]] ([[User talk:Dany|talk]])<br />
* would be a really good idea to water the ways more often, to prevent the dust. -- [[User:Justelex|Justelex]] ([[User talk:Justelex|talk]])<br />
** I'd be afraid this would quickly turn into mud, and I prefer dust to mud -- [[User:Pinoaffe|Pinoaffe]] ([[User talk:Pinoaffe|talk]])<br />
* It seems that there was so much time spend on nice to haves and to little on must haves resulting in quite a few people beeing totally burned out, I really wonder if its worth it organizing it again next year at this size with this much "consumers" visiting and maybe just going back to a smaller size is nicer, the big presence of sponsors also did not help with this feeling. -- [[User:Erik|Erik]] ([[User talk:Erik|talk]])<br />
** I am not quite sure where you saw those "consumers", especially since that would be quite a high entry price for a consumer (no daytickets and all). As far as I know we didn't finish selling all tickets so it was smaller then expected even. Although I do understand that you are longing for a smaller sized event (there are definitely a couple of those out there), I dearly hope that this event will even grow, since it is quite nice to have more and new people being interested and learning more. Sponsors I am unsure about, since I do know they were a big help in financing the whole event. With the point of being to burned out, that might be a problem of scheduling and volunteering, since there were around ~400 volunteers for the whole event (officially).<br />
** Don't worry, next year is not a thing, we do this every four years (Corona volente). As for the size of the event, for me it's just about right as it was this year, but opinions can and will always differ. If you like a cosy, small event that happens next year, Bornhack might be your thing.[[User:Moem|Moem]] ([[User talk:Moem|talk]])<br />
* Still amazed by the amount of creativity and community, so many people sharing what they love and are good at -- [[User:Raboof|Raboof]] ([[User talk:Raboof|talk]])<br />
* I loved the event and am so glad I went. It was my mate's first camp and they had a blast too. Thanks for making it happen so awesomely! -- [[User:Bronsen|Bronsen]] ([[User talk:Bronsen|talk]])<br />
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=== Arrival / departure / parking / train shuttle / luggage shuttle ===<br />
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* I was surprised twice that empty places in the field were apparently claimed. It was not clear to me that people had staked out places already on the wiki. This would seem to me one of The Most Important Things To Tell People: "whatever is on the wiki wins". Or perhaps abolish that, also fine by me, but in any case be very clear about it. I could also do with an AR app or so that shows me what people claimed :-) -- [[User:Ahu|Ahu]] ([[User talk:Ahu|talk]])<br />
** Next time we should plan some areas for 'those without village', i heard they were planned for this time but they might have gotten lost with the last minute rearranging due to the double booking. -- [[User:Sebastius|Sebastius]] ([[User talk:Sebastius|talk]])<br />
** (moved my feedback here to [[Feedback#Villages]]) -- [[User:Raboof|Raboof]] ([[User talk:Raboof|talk]])<br />
* Last day of the event felt kinda "lost" as people were beginning to tear things down from early on in the day well before the closing event. Was bit of a weird mood/feeling. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])<br />
** +1 Agreement from my side -- [[User:Foorschtbar|Foorschtbar]] ([[User talk:Foorschtbar|talk]])<br />
** While it is pretty normal for many people to already pack their things on the last day, the problem was certainly exacerbated by the fact that a roundmail on day 4 told all villages that their rented tents had to be "cleaned and empty" no later than 17:30 on day 5. That really gave villages no choice but to tear everything down during daytime on day 5. [[User:PoempelFox|PoempelFox]] ([[User talk:PoempelFox|talk]])<br />
* The parking area was way better then at Sha. A Regular people shuttle on the field with one or two 4+ seater golfcarts would be awesome for pregnant / people that can't walk long distances and so on. (Maybe also on call would be enough) -- [[User:Justelex|Justelex]] ([[User talk:Justelex|talk]])<br />
* "Shuttle goes when it goes" without any indication how long it will take is no option for people who have to catch their train/flight. We had many questions and complaints at the infodesk. A schedule would be great. -- [[User:Sirgoofy|sirgoofy]]<br />
* The shuttle stop changed during the event. It would be great to have a dedicated shuttle stop (with sign and timetable) during the event.<br />
* The payment system for the shuttle was too complicated. We had many questions about buying tickets at the infodesk. People tried to buy tickets in the online shop, but had problems getting their order paid. It would be better to make it free, or allow to pay in cash in the shuttle.<br />
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=== Badge ===<br />
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* Very well-made and polished badge, really surprised me with the effort put into it and its versatility! [[User:Vurpo|Vurpo]] ([[User talk:Vurpo|talk]]) 21:07, 30 July 2022 (CEST) <br />
** +1 Agreement from my side -- [[User:Foorschtbar|Foorschtbar]] ([[User talk:Foorschtbar|talk]])<br />
** +1 -- [[User:Bronsen|Bronsen]] ([[User talk:Bronsen|talk]])<br />
* The badge is really nice, but the price of MCH admission is already hindering people we'd like to reach. Perhaps do consider if we really need it. -- [[User:Ahu|Ahu]] ([[User talk:Ahu|talk]])<br />
* Awesome badge, I had a lot of fun tinkering with it during camp and always received helpful advice in the IRC channel. Please keep this project going! [[User:Alxndr|Alxndr]] ([[User talk:Alxndr|talk]])<br />
* The badge is amazing! However, I feel bad that my badges from previous events barely got used and this one is likely to suffer the same fate. For environmental/cost reasons, I kinda wish I could have opted out. Alternately, if there were a way to hand my badge in after the event and know it would be used for educational purposes later on, I would have given it up a heartbeat. -- [[User:HerraBRE|HerraBRE]]<br />
* Really love the badge, it inspired me to try micropython for the first time. Also I find it to be a piece of art, the PCB design is just great. On the other side, I'm also sceptical on the ecological aspects. I fear that many hackers will not use it anymore after the event or even never use it at all. Maybe it would be a good idea to offer badges as an option instead of giving everyone a piece. -- [[User:Cyb3rk41|Cyb3rk41]] ([[User talk:Cyb3rk41|talk]])<br />
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=== Bars and food court ===<br />
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* The capacity of the food-stands was quite low, which resulted in long waiting times. Not good with hungry kids. [[User:Fhp|Fhp]] ([[User talk:Fhp|talk]])<br />
* Agree with above: low capacity for the commercial food stands. They also didn't seem to grasp the concept of 'lunch'. I expected them to be up and running around 13.00, but most of them weren't, resulting in even longer lines at the places that were open earlier. -- [[User:Dany|Dany]] ([[User talk:Dany|talk]])<br />
* The food stands I've visited (Wok, Fries) had poor in-person advertising of everything that they were actually selling and how much it cost. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])<br />
** Agreed. Menu and pricing was often hard to read -- [[User:j0chen|j0chen]] ([[User talk:j0chen|talk]])<br />
* The Johny Cash Burger was great but mostly I fed on waffles by the awesome C3WOC <3. And of course one can rely on the Italian Hackers' Embassy for excellent pasta and Italian Grappa. By the way... is there a Spanish or French Embassy with similar services? Would put that on my checklist for the next camp. ;-) Oh and Angel Food was also great and healthy. Didn't miss meat there, eating more veg is better for the environment anyways. Thanks for the opportunity! Conclusion: Wide range, many choices, very good! -- [[User:Mosquito|Mosquito]] ([[User talk:Mosquito|talk]])<br />
* Frietsaus is not Mayo. [[User:MrLinux|MrLinux]]<br />
* The split layout of the bar/food area didn't really work. You couldn't see all in one go, so most people only visited one bar making a huge queue there. -- [[User:Sebastius|Sebastius]] ([[User talk:Sebastius|talk]])<br />
* Coffee vendor people had no idea what they were doing. Literally not knowing what a Latte Machiatto is while it's on their menu. -- [[User:Sebastius|Sebastius]] ([[User talk:Sebastius|talk]])<br />
* Next time get food vendors from several companies instead of using one single source. Yes it's more work to set up but this time the overall quality was not great (but acceptable). -- [[User:Sebastius|Sebastius]] ([[User talk:Sebastius|talk]])<br />
* Next time also get some vendors who do varied meals (every day a different choice, like the vegan place at CCCamp2019) at competitive pricing. -- [[User:Sebastius|Sebastius]] ([[User talk:Sebastius|talk]])<br />
** +1 I think some vendors (pizza) had very little choice, which has not changed. -- [[User:j0chen|j0chen]] ([[User talk:j0chen|talk]])<br />
* Next time allow Mecklenborger to also have a food-truck for the general public on camp. -- [[User:Sebastius|Sebastius]] ([[User talk:Sebastius|talk]]) +1<br />
* Overall nice. Might be good to promote villages that have good capacity for selling food as well somehow, to make it more 'integrated'? -- [[User:Raboof|Raboof]] ([[User talk:Raboof|talk]])<br />
** especially the C3WOC with their delicious waffles -- [[User:j0chen|j0chen]] ([[User talk:j0chen|talk]])<br />
* Unfortunately the bars were out of the larger plastic glasses very soon. -- [[User:Kokx|Kokx]] ([[User talk:Kokx|talk]])<br />
* the commercial food vendors I tried had good quality but rather high prices; so I was glad for the big kitchen in our village -- [[User:Bronsen|Bronsen]] ([[User talk:Bronsen|talk]])<br />
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=== Buildup and teardown ===<br />
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* As one of the persons who collected what felt like a kilometre of Flatterband at teardown, and removed a pile of pegs it was attached to, I would like to thank those buildup angels who didn't sink the pegs below ground level. You made my job a lot easier! :) [[User:Alxndr|Alxndr]] ([[User talk:Alxndr|talk]])<br />
** +1 Agreement from my side -- [[User:Foorschtbar|Foorschtbar]] ([[User talk:Foorschtbar|talk]])<br />
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=== COVID19 precautions ===<br />
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* Thanks for caring about ventilation. [https://grafana.mch2022.org/d/q9gZutJ7z/mch2022?orgId=1&viewPanel=30&from=1658492800367&to=1658853839068 CO2 meters] and open sides weren't in place during the opening talk, but this was fixed quickly after and I heard the security team kept an eye on the graphs. --[[User:Juerd|Juerd]] ([[User talk:Juerd|talk]]) 20:43, 30 July 2022 (CEST)<br />
* I liked the availability of masks and self tests for those who forgot to bring their own. I've heard about a few dozen people who got infected, but there were probably more. Thanks to the rapid tests and the heroes who chose to isolate, we may have averted a disastrous superspreading event. --[[User:Juerd|Juerd]] ([[User talk:Juerd|talk]]) 22:02, 30 July 2022 (CEST)<br />
** +1 Agreement from my side -- [[User:Foorschtbar|Foorschtbar]] ([[User talk:Foorschtbar|talk]])<br />
** Very much appreciated the easy availability of masks and rapid tests. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])<br />
* It would have been good to switch from recommended to required mask wearing, at least indoors, once it became clear that "personal responsibility" wasn't working out (even in this community, what a disappointment). [[User:Alxndr|Alxndr]] ([[User talk:Alxndr|talk]])<br />
** Agreeing on all points. Was also a bit disappointed. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])<br />
** +1 -- [[User:Bronsen|Bronsen]] ([[User talk:Bronsen|talk]])<br />
** Its quite hard to do that in a country where this is not a rule anymore.<br />
* It was good to request/require mask wearing in the food queue in Heaven. It would have been even better to do it from the very beginning. [[User:Moem|Moem]] ([[User talk:Moem|talk]]) 09:20, 31 July 2022 (CEST)<br />
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=== Cohesion ===<br />
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=== Content / talks / heralds / speakerdesk / AV / recordings ===<br />
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* In the end it worked pretty well, but perhaps do ponder having some "known good" presenter laptops/devices available. This has worked very well for other conferences. I used a 200 euro Chromebook with a throwaway google account. -- [[User:Ahu|Ahu]] ([[User talk:Ahu|talk]])<br />
* This is a matter of taste - if you light up the speakers real well, the audience can enjoy a well lighted speaker. But the speaker then often can't see the audience. And during my talks, I love to actually see the audience. This was better in 2017 (at least in Abacus and Battery). -- [[User:Ahu|Ahu]] ([[User talk:Ahu|talk]])<br />
* The speaker desk and the room to work is absolutely ACE. -- [[User:Ahu|Ahu]] ([[User talk:Ahu|talk]])<br />
* Very friendly and helpful people at the speakerdesk and also Heralds and other Angels. Dry running my laptop with the monitor at the Speaker Desk before the talk made me much calmer once I knew that worked. Thank you! -- [[User:Mosquito|Mosquito]] ([[User talk:Mosquito|talk]])<br />
* had the opposite experience: crablab forgot giving me a speaker badge and was not very hospitable "i'd prefer if you bought your mate at the bar" the single time I asked for one in order to work on my slides -- [[User:Fraxinas|Fraxinas]] ([[User talk:Fraxinas|talk]])<br />
* Generally felt welcome as a speaker, thanks! I didn't end up using the speaker area as it felt a bit like a 'fish tank' being so exposed to the main road (but that might be a personal hang-up ;) ) -- [[User:Raboof|Raboof]] ([[User talk:Raboof|talk]])<br />
* It would have been nice to have a more 'integrated' programme containing both the 'curated' content and the 'self-organized' sessions. It was nice that some self-organized sessions were added to https://program.mch2022.org but it'd be even nicer to have that 'direct' somehow -- [[User:Raboof|Raboof]] ([[User talk:Raboof|talk]])<br />
* It would have been nice to have an officially-recommended app - Giggity worked great on Android, just promoting that more might have been a good start -- [[User:Raboof|Raboof]] ([[User talk:Raboof|talk]])<br />
* It would be nice to cross-link the schedule with the livestreams/recordings better -- [[User:Raboof|Raboof]] ([[User talk:Raboof|talk]])<br />
* Several of the workshop presenters said they would make their presentations available, but the majority is unfindable. I did understand a presentation can be added to the schedule, but it is hard to spot that this has actually been done. Maybe an independent index with such material can be made and material actively requested? -- [[User:M10|M10]] ([[User talk:M10|talk]])<br />
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=== CTF ===<br />
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* The CTF as a whole was excellent. Really interesting challenges on multiple categories and I still think this is the best CTF I have attended. Even the easy challenges had nice twists to them, no basic "'or 1=1;-- = flag" here. -- [[User:Onja|Onja]]<br />
* Both the competitors and the organizers I chatted with were very nice and passionate. Organizers gave good hints without giving too much away on couple of the challenges when we were stuck. -- [[User:Onja|Onja]]<br />
* There were plenty of beverages to keep us going, hard part was to remember to eat something once in a while. <br />
* Only complaint I have is about the ctf area: the outside tent was mostly more trouble than it was worth with wind trying to blow the whole tent away and the inside got crowded pretty fast. DT lounge area was nice but I'm not 1337 h4x0r enough to sit there 4 days in a row, my back will kill me. :D -- [[User:Onja|Onja]]<br />
* Looking forward to reading challenge writeups (I still want to hear the creators thoughts on Coinflip even though we eventually managed to solve it). Also I agree that Coinflip was one of the tougher challenges, should have been 200 pts (whine, whine). -- [[User:Onja|Onja]]<br />
* Summary: We will definitely be back next time! -- [[User:Onja|Onja]]<br />
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=== Decoration / design ===<br />
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* Well done all around -- [[User:SK|SK]] ([[User talk:SK|talk]]) 01:07, 31 July 2022 (CEST)<br />
* The design was so colorful and well thought out, it gave team Deco a lot to work with. Great job! [[User:Moem|Moem]] ([[User talk:Moem|talk]]) 09:22, 31 July 2022 (CEST) <br />
** +1 Agreement from my side -- [[User:Foorschtbar|Foorschtbar]] ([[User talk:Foorschtbar|talk]])<br />
** I really like the design, the whole theme. good job! -- [[User:Bronsen|Bronsen]] ([[User talk:Bronsen|talk]])<br />
* The deco was really cool, I especially liked the UV-reactive strings that gave the illusion of lasers and the super cute felt plants in the Silent Lounge. -- [[User:Dany|Dany]] ([[User talk:Dany|talk]])<br />
* Both design and deco were amazing! Also great that it was available beforehand, including the 'generator', so villages etc could use it in their preparations as well -- [[User:Raboof|Raboof]] ([[User talk:Raboof|talk]])<br />
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=== Family / kids ===<br />
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* Great vibe at the zone \o/<br />
* Maybe one or two hot water faucets would be useful (for baby care, for dishwashing, etc)<br />
* Sponsors like to party, maybe keep that in mind when planning in the noise gradient<br />
* As someone without kids I love that people feel welcome to bring theirs, and the atmosphere that comes with that. Accidentally ran into the "balloon folding (for adults)" workshop which was hilarious. Great fun. -- [[User:Raboof|Raboof]] ([[User talk:Raboof|talk]])<br />
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=== Finance / coins / payments ===<br />
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* Payment by card worked mostly well, other than the supermarket not accepting international cards. My main issue was that the payment system was not well enough explained before the actual event! The blog post and wiki page were pretty long and still left me confused about what the actual payment system on the field was going to end up being. Even a simple "TL;DR we will use regular international payment cards with chip/contactless" would have helped me. [[User:Vurpo|Vurpo]] ([[User talk:Vurpo|talk]]) 21:04, 30 July 2022 (CEST)<br />
* I asked at several bars and the food court where I could get the prepaid card for the MCH payment system, but nobody knew, so I ended up using my regular payment card. [[User:Alxndr|Alxndr]] ([[User talk:Alxndr|talk]]<br />
** The MCH payment system only was operational from day 1 (with paper QR codes) and the ability to print them on plastic cards was added later - [[User:Noor|Noor]]<br />
** yeah communication could have been better, the main problem was that most of it was arranged by one single person (never a good idea). Next time we need to find more people who work on the financial/tickets stuff. <br />
* I liked the idea of the cashless QR-code, especially the later upgrade to a "hard card" rather than just a stub of thermal paper. Avoids using the big payment providers and frees one of having to carry around cash. However I would've loved seeing more universal acceptance around the event (for example at the supermarket). -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])<br />
** +1 Agreement from my side. I missed also the acceptance at the Merch stand -- [[User:Foorschtbar|Foorschtbar]] ([[User talk:Foorschtbar|talk]])<br />
* As a foreigner visiting, I was VERY happy that I could use my card to tap and pay almost everywhere. Get the supermarket on board next time and you get a perfect score from me! The QR code system also worked quite well (I took payment at the bar a few times). I was impressed, well done. - [[User:HerraBRE|HerraBRE]]<br />
* Payment with payment cards in combination with PIN code failed. (only contactless worked, until the 50 euro weekly limit was reached.) [[User:MrLinux|MrLinux]]<br />
* The payment system is too complex and impractical for such an event. At the infodesk there were many questions and complaints on the payment system. People were confused about whether their bank card is accepted or wanted to buy QR-codes with their cards. There were many complaints about the complexity of the payment system. Normally, payment on such events is straightforward (give some money, get a drink). I guess this complicated system also restrained people from buying drinks (just a gut feeling from the number of bottles collected on the field by Team BOC). There were also many people complaining that they could not get unused money from the QR codes (because they had to leave early or came too late). -- [[User:Sirgoofy|sirgoofy]]<br />
* The payment system encouraged people not to bring cash, with is a huge issue for villages -- [[User:Sirgoofy|sirgoofy]]<br />
** Many villages rely on donations to cover costs, e.g., for food or parts for workshops, like the Italian Embassy, Millyways, Team Badge, c3woc (waffles), Chaos Post. Donations in cash are straightforward and understandable. Handling cashless donations is complicated (especially for people donating), expensive (i.e., fees), and requires bank accounts (which many villages don't have as they're just a bunch of people and no legal instance).<br />
** Cashless donations would be handy, though. Many international visitors don't have cash.<br />
** It would be great if people could donate using the QR code system (and buy QR codes cashless) -- [[User:Sirgoofy|sirgoofy]]<br />
* The MCH Payment system was a great benefit. Also that a plastic card could be created that was clearly more robust than the QR code on thermal paper.... Unfortunately, the machine took a long time to accept a bill. In addition, it would be nice to be able to recharge cards so that you can get through the camp with a printed card without directly charging one huge amount. -- [[User:j0chen|j0chen]] ([[User talk:j0chen|talk]])<br />
* An ATM would be great next time. My card was declined most of the time, so I reliant on my cash (and an ATM outside of camp) -- [[User:j0chen|j0chen]] ([[User talk:j0chen|talk]])<br />
** Or a possibility to get some cash at a desk or so? Cash needed to be handled anyway for the QR codes -- [[User:Sirgoofy|sirgoofy]]<br />
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=== Harbour / Ferry ===<br />
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* Loved the ferry service not as much as a shuttle to the other side of the water way, but as a way to enjoy some quiet time and a light breeze to (mentally) recharge away from the event. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])<br />
* The Ferry Service was great, and especially the operating hours where great. -- [[User:Justelex|Justelex]] ([[User talk:Justelex|talk]]) +1<br />
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=== Information / infodesk / wiki ===<br />
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* The infodesk should've been open for longer/as long as possible. (background: I've sat on the NOC helpdesk a bunch of times after the last infodesk angles were gone and dealt with quite a few people that were originally looking for the helpdesk; also being able to respond to infodesk calls for longer). -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])<br />
* Would be nice if the wiki was more usable on mobile -- [[User:Raboof|Raboof]] ([[User talk:Raboof|talk]])<br />
* The infodesk should be open earlier, at least starting day 0. It was unfortunate that the furniture was late (w/o desk no infodesk) -- [[User:Sirgoofy|sirgoofy]]<br />
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=== Lounges ===<br />
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* Silent lounge was very well done. Nicely decorated and people behaving very considerate (i.e. really tried to be silent). No wonder that it was popular to the point where it could've used more pillows. I was worried that people would start camping inside the lounge (similar things happen at congress for example), but that didn't turn out to be true. I've seen plenty of people taking a nap away from the noise of the event, but thankfully nobody started living inside the lounge. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])<br />
* Besides the silent lounge, I wish there were more places for people, especially for those without a village, to relax in the shade near an Ethernet port and power outlet. In the harbour there was the wood table with tent roof and the bar with a couple of seats, but both away from power outlets. Otherwise, besides the couple of deckchairs, we mostly hard hard wooden benches near the food court without shade (and no power sockets). -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])<br />
** +1 agreed, a few dedicated shaded outdoor spots would've been nice -- [[User:SK|SK]] ([[User talk:SK|talk]])<br />
** +1 I was going to write the same. Seating on the western part of the food court was hardly used because there was no shadow. Everyone was cramped beneath the roof tent in front of the east bar. On previous events there were more public spaces with roofing, sofas, bean bags, power and network. Nice place with hammocks at the speaker desk but also now shadow. Roof tents would also provide shelter in case of rain (as experienced on previous camps).<br />
** +1 I'd enjoy that as well! Perhaps with some way to announce what you're working on to encourage spontaneous conversations? Not sure how that would work though -- [[User:Raboof|Raboof]] ([[User talk:Raboof|talk]])<br />
** +1 A few shady sitting areas for hackers without Village; with sockets and ethernet sockets would have been very pleasant especially in the sunny and warm weather. -- [[User:j0chen|j0chen]] ([[User talk:j0chen|talk]])<br />
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=== Merchandise ===<br />
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* The designs look great, I'm a fan of the asymmetry and the patterned sleeves. Not being able to go a size up or down from what you ordered online was kind of disappointing. Not a major issue for myself but I know of several people who were sad about this. The [[merch exchange]] is not a great solution, but better than nothing. --[[User:Juerd|Juerd]] ([[User talk:Juerd|talk]]) 20:54, 30 July 2022 (CEST)<br />
** That mostly was the result of not receiving as many units as we ordered, sadly. -- [[User:Sebastius|Sebastius]] ([[User talk:Sebastius|talk]])<br />
* Merch was great: Awesome design and high quality. Preodering saved me from having to stay in a (humongous) line in the heat. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])<br />
* I absolutely love the hexagonal patterns and diagrams, but the amount of purple/pink was enough to keep me from buying more than a hat (that, and sizes being too big for me). - [[User:Noor|Noor]] ([[User talk:Noor|talk]])<br />
* Nice merch, despite at first not being a fan of the design. Option to preorder is great. -- [[User:SK|SK]] ([[User talk:SK|talk]])<br />
* OK so maybe I'm a dinosaur, but if I'd known that "fitted" was inclusive for "ladies", I wouldn't have ordered a way-too-small T-shirt. Not a complaint really, but maybe that could have been explained better? Help us old farts get with the program! :-D<br />
** 'Fitted' does not mean 'ladies', it means snug and cut to cling to the body, not baggy and loose. I know plenty of gentlemen who prefer that style. [[User:Moem|Moem]] ([[User talk:Moem|talk]])<br />
* Love the zipper design and quality, will be one of my favourite pieces from now on :) Preorder and pickup was easy and a great option to avoid long queues at the merch booth. -- [[User:Cyb3rk41|Cyb3rk41]] ([[User talk:Cyb3rk41|talk]])<br />
* I love how the shirts and hoodies look, but I'm worried about how well they will hold up when being washed. The rainbow looks like it will fall off just like the yellow SHA robot did. You hardly see the SHA shirts being worn anymore... but OHM and even HAR shirts, yes. [[User:Moem|Moem]] ([[User talk:Moem|talk]])<br />
** +1 love the looks but concerned about the large areas (beam/rainbow) as well - those already seemed to have faded a bit from being folded up in a damp tent... -- [[User:Raboof|Raboof]] ([[User talk:Raboof|talk]])<br />
* Loved that there were angel shirts in a different color than black again ;) -- [[User:Raboof|Raboof]] ([[User talk:Raboof|talk]])<br />
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=== Miscellaneous ===<br />
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* Swan family was pretty relaxed with all the people and activity, camping out in the middle of the terrain. - [[User:Noor|Noor]] ([[User talk:Noor|talk]]<br />
* It would be nice to have some angel-staffed dishwashing station (with manual rinse and commercial dishwashers) somewhere, to help with saving water and time, and to increase general hygiene (we all know how camp dish cleanliness standards go...) -- [[User:Q3k|Q3k]] ([[User talk:Q3k|talk]])<br />
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=== Music/laser stage / silent disco / Symphony of Fire ===<br />
* The music/laser stage was not a great fit for the event. It drained the villages and talk tents, making those less interesting. Also the whole separate 'party area' does not work for me. I would not miss it if we didn't have one next time. -- [[User:Sebastius|Sebastius]] ([[User talk:Sebastius|talk]])<br />
* No clue why we had a music stage, but if we for some reason must have one, why not have hacker-music on it (e.g. robotic instruments, chiptunes, etc), it was mostly filled with mediocre covers of songs unrelated to the event entirely. [[User:SA007|SA007]] ([[User talk:SA007|talk]])<br />
* Party area was WAY too spacious for the amount of people using it. -- [[User:Sebastius|Sebastius]] ([[User talk:Sebastius|talk]])<br />
* Loved the silent disco setup though. Also really loved it being used at night to allow the byte battle thingie to take place. -- [[User:Sebastius|Sebastius]] ([[User talk:Sebastius|talk]])<br />
* Having hacker built flame throwers which normally look awesome mounted on a commercial stage actually takes away the home-built hacker vibe of those flame throwers. -- [[User:Sebastius|Sebastius]] ([[User talk:Sebastius|talk]])<br />
* Music stage with the flamethrowers, and Symphony of Fire were awesome. - [[User:Noor|Noor]] ([[User talk:Noor|talk]])<br />
* Very well done. Silent disco was a neat solution to the inherent noise conflicts. What exactly is going on could have been a bit more detailed in the schedule, some people were sad they missed interesting things because they didn't realize who was playing. -- [[User:SK|SK]] ([[User talk:SK|talk]])<br />
* For me, the music stage did not really add anything that I would miss if it dit not happen again on a next event. Symphony of Fire was indeed awesome, I wonder if they could have played on a raised podium so more people could have seen what was happening. [[User:Moem|Moem]] ([[User talk:Moem|talk]]) 09:27, 31 July 2022 (CEST)<br />
** +1 -- [[User:Fraxinas|Fraxinas]] ([[User talk:Fraxinas|talk]])<br />
** +1 Agreement from my side -- [[User:Foorschtbar|Foorschtbar]] ([[User talk:Foorschtbar|talk]])<br />
** +1 Symphony of Fire was *the* main act at the stages, a raised podium or bigscreen would have been great that more people can see something. Especially the crowding is perhaps a bit critical with regard to the COVID measures. -- [[User:j0chen|j0chen]] ([[User talk:j0chen|talk]])<br />
* Silent disco was so much fun! More, later, longer please! Seems like a great solution for us party animals who don't want calm after 2am. - [[User:HerraBRE|HerraBRE]]<br />
* Music stage was to loud, to horrible and went on for way to long it and nowhere on the terrain you did not hear it, making sleeping almost impossible for people who actually need proper sleep (yes quiet camping was also to loud). -- [[User:Erik|Erik]] ([[User talk:Erik|talk]])<br />
* Silent disco was a great idea. But for the next time, I'd appreciate it if it wasn't just announced in advance, but if there was also information about the technology, e.g. where/if I can get suitable headphones myself or on which frequencies it runs, so that I can build a receiver myself. As far as I have heard, it was probably possible to receive the radio on the entire camp? -- [[User:j0chen|j0chen]] ([[User talk:j0chen|talk]])<br />
* three points<br />
# The main stage did not have good sound, despite the the row of massive loudspeakers in front. <br />
# Flames were fantastic.<br />
# Big screen was good. -- [[User:Bronsen|Bronsen]] ([[User talk:Bronsen|talk]])<br />
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=== NOC / Network ===<br />
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* My SFP+ module got to stay in a datenklo. A++++ would camp again. -- [[User:Q3k|Q3k]] ([[User talk:Q3k|talk]])<br />
* Datenklos were sorely missing some CYBER(tm) reflective foil wrapping -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])<br />
** There was a plan for nice aluminium foil/plated cardboard skins with the field name and other decorations on it, but the weather during buildup threw a spanner into that idea... [[User:SA007|SA007]] ([[User talk:SA007|talk]])<br />
** +1 Agreement from my side -- [[User:Foorschtbar|Foorschtbar]] ([[User talk:Foorschtbar|talk]])<br />
* Some system for releasing cables from the datenklo switches at teardown would help. I couldn't recover my uplink cable and then later realised I left without it. Maybe give a key to a nearby village person that would release cables that have no more active link on a regular basis? -- [[User:M10|M10]] ([[User talk:M10|talk]])<br />
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=== Power ===<br />
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* Thank you very much for not cutting power off after the closing event as at SHA. -- [[User:Malaclypse|Malaclypse]] ([[User talk:Malaclypse|talk]])<br />
** +1 Agreement from my side -- [[User:Foorschtbar|Foorschtbar]] ([[User talk:Foorschtbar|talk]])<br />
* I was really happy to have power available until the very end on wednesday! Thanks for that! -- [[User:Cyb3rk41|Cyb3rk41]] ([[User talk:Cyb3rk41|talk]])<br />
** Agreed. Having power for as long as possible was great. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])<br />
* The priklichtjes (festoon lights on poles) were a very welcome addition by Team:Power. [[User:Moem|Moem]] ([[User talk:Moem|talk]])<br />
** They helped me greatly in navigating the terrain in the dark, indicating where the paths where between the villages. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])<br />
*** +1 very nice for indicating paths between tents and nature. -- [[User:j0chen|j0chen]] ([[User talk:j0chen|talk]])<br />
* Very impressed with the PowerTeam, kudos! And we learned an important lesson (the hard way) that long PVC cables lying in wet grass will suck up moisture and trip the 'aardlek' (RCD?). This could be written a lot better in the power wiki page so people can prepare better. Now the neoprene cables are only recommended as the better quality, but not that PVC has negative effects, like taking out two villages for a few hours. -- [[User:M10|M10]] ([[User talk:M10|talk]])<br />
:* In general, the cable should be rated for outdoor usage. PVC cables for outdoor use do exist (and are really nice to use because they're more flexible, especially when it's cold), so a simple list of materials doesn't work. (In case you're interested: harmonized cable types have the material encoded in the type, H05RR-F for example means H = harmonized, 05 = 300V, R = rubber inner insulation, R = rubber outer insulation, F = fine stranded. Neoprene is usually identified as RN, indoor PVC as VV, outdoor PVC as V3V3 (e.g. H05V3V3-F). Not sure if listing all outdoor capable material codes would work; just look for "rated for outdoor use"; the IP44 schuko plug with the ring is a good proxy/heuristic for that.) Oh, and by the way, neoprene can also suck up moisture over time! It's just usually slow enough :) --[[User:Juerd|Juerd]] ([[User talk:Juerd|talk]])<br />
* Basically everything worked, I could imagine that a distribution of the generators across the camp is perhaps better. At the CCCamp 2019, each larger area had its own generator, so iirc there was never a full blackout. Important systems then simply get two generators (redundancy!). -- [[User:j0chen|j0chen]] ([[User talk:j0chen|talk]])<br />
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=== Off-Site Logistics ===<br />
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* Off-site logistics was a mess, during buildup the schedule was changed drastically without communication about it, we ended up waiting 9 hours for a truck that was smaller than promised requiring a second trip. Teardown I drove the van myself. [[User:SA007|SA007]] ([[User talk:SA007|talk]])<br />
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=== On-Site Logistics ===<br />
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* Gators are too loud, you can't hear each other inside a tent if they drive by. [[User:SA007|SA007]] ([[User talk:SA007|talk]])<br />
** IIRC electric vehicles were unavaible from the local rental companies, unfortunately [[User:Flimpie|Flimpie]] ([[User talk:Flimpie|talk]]) 22:38, 1 August 2022 (CEST)<br />
** +1 The gators were also so loud that you could barely understand/use the radio when you were sitting in it -- [[User:j0chen|j0chen]] ([[User talk:j0chen|talk]])<br />
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=== Other music/noise (outside the official party area) ===<br />
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* Please NEVER allow Holoplot to be on the field ever again. And if that is impossible to prevent, at least NOT do a late night party with that system. The volume OUTSIDE the tent was horrifying. -- [[User:Sebastius|Sebastius]] ([[User talk:Sebastius|talk]])<br />
* Bit torn on this one. It is a party event, but there was way too much loud music post 2 AM. Some of us do need sleep. I know, weak etc. I don't recall seeing a clear policy on what is acceptable, might be behind people feeling ok cranking up the volume after midnight. -- [[User:Ahu|Ahu]] ([[User talk:Ahu|talk]])<br />
* The Retro Arcade area was an absolute nuisance at night. They were blasting the neighbouring villages with shitty music and drunken yelling until 2 or 3 am pretty much every day. I can think of several words for this kind of behaviour, and none of them rhyme with "excellent". [[User:Alxndr|Alxndr]] ([[User talk:Alxndr|talk]])<br />
** +1 They also played the same 7 shitty songs each night. Seemed like most of the participants were corporates (BlueHatHacker, etc.). The whole thing felt pretty unfit for MCH. -- [[User:JT|JT]] ([[User talk:JT|talk]])<br />
* It seems like while the official policy was 'no noise after 1AM', it wasn't actively enforced for most cases - and I think that enabled people to also treat it a bit more like a hint rather than a rule? Perhaps for future events we should have numerical 'loudness' scores for all fields, forming a gradient, with a higher score letting people be louder and party later, and actually enforce that. That way loud people can camp in loud villages, while those who need peace and quiet can camp in quiet villages. -- [[User:Q3k|Q3k]] ([[User talk:Q3k|talk]])<br />
** I think this was sort-of implemented based on village input, but the usual event fields are just a bit too small for that to work reliably -- [[User:SK|SK]] ([[User talk:SK|talk]])<br />
* This was both badly communicated (FAQ said "until midnight", apparently the actual rule was from 1 am?) and not usefully enforced. Arcade area right next to family village especially apparently could do whatever they wanted. This makes awesome ideas like silent disco for the "official" music stage sadly quite moot. -- [[User:SK|SK]] ([[User talk:SK|talk]])<br />
* second-hand, but if security (i.e. the contact listed for noise complaints on the front page of this wiki!) really responded to calls about this with "don't call us unless there's an actual emergency" some rules seriously need to be re-established -- [[User:SK|SK]] ([[User talk:SK|talk]])<br />
* at the same time small villages further into the "louder sector" (i.e. away from family/silent camping) were told off for having any music on low volume -- [[User:SK|SK]] ([[User talk:SK|talk]])<br />
* Our village was placed in a party area. That was unfortunate. Next time I'll camp in a quiet are even if that means being far away from the village I am interested in. Geraffel adhered to the 1am quiet policy (yay!) but others didn't. They went on till after 4.30 and didn't honor complaints. -- [[User:Mosquito|Mosquito]] ([[User talk:Mosquito|talk]])<br />
* I was sad there was no place to party and dance after 2am. I agree people who want quiet should be able to enjoy quiet, but in a perfect camp there would be room for both. -- [[User:HerraBRE|HerraBRE]]<br />
* The distribution of the Villages and party zones was perhaps not quite ideal, felt the Family Zone (which had asked for quiet) was in the middle of the Party Zone (based on the noise / music) -- [[User:j0chen|j0chen]] ([[User talk:j0chen|talk]])<br />
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=== POC / Dect / Fieldphones ===<br />
* I couldn't find advance information as to when the phone / DECT network would be shut off on the wiki, having such information would be useful (but I may just have been looking in the wrong place) -- [[User:Pinoaffe|Pinoaffe]] ([[User talk:Pinoaffe|talk]])<br />
* DECT coverage was great around the whole camp area. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])<br />
** +1 Agreement from my side -- [[User:Foorschtbar|Foorschtbar]] ([[User talk:Foorschtbar|talk]])<br />
* DECT self-registration worked great (have been used to it for a while now from congress). -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])<br />
** +1 Agreement from my side -- [[User:Foorschtbar|Foorschtbar]] ([[User talk:Foorschtbar|talk]])<br />
* DECT was switched off too early. DECT is mandatory for teardown, especially as the gsm coverage is quite bad -- [[User:Sirgoofy|sirgoofy]]<br />
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=== Parcel deliveries ===<br />
* Many people that ordered things to the field were (seemingly) unaware of how parcel deliveries were supposed to work. This caused unnecessary overhead. -- [[User:Pinoaffe|Pinoaffe]] ([[User talk:Pinoaffe|talk]])<br />
* Collaborating with C3Post may be worthwhile for a next event, though they may not want to deal with large packages. -- [[User:Pinoaffe|Pinoaffe]] ([[User talk:Pinoaffe|talk]])<br />
** Delivering anything of real value sounds like a bad idea (on big events). Besides being way more effort than postcards, parcels (pending delivery) would require (secure-ish) storage space while not out for relivery or if the first delivery attempt failed. We'd also need extra couriers and not hand deliveries out to random passing-by hackers, which also leaks the info on the parcel (such as tracking numbers) to said random hackers. Also some postcards just got lost/didn't get delivered, which would be a real issue with parcels. -- [[User:Trilader|Trilader]] ([[User talk:Trilader|talk]])<br />
* Parcel deliveries had a procedure outlined at [[Parcel deliveries]] to keep them manageable, but somehow people still sent packages to the terrain without following the procedure, maybe something to add to the info booklet/advertise more?<br />
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=== Press / Media coverage ===<br />
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* Put your feedback here :)<br />
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=== Productiehuis / C3VOC ===<br />
* MOST EXCELLENT WORK!! -- [[User:Ahu|Ahu]] ([[User talk:Ahu|talk]])<br />
* The video-quality of the (few) talks I watched online was good, and I saw some nice fade effects. [[User:Fhp|Fhp]] ([[User talk:Fhp|talk]])<br />
* The hard cutoff of the intro tune annoys me every time. [[User:Fhp|Fhp]] ([[User talk:Fhp|talk]])<br />
* Kudos to the C3VOC! That was awesome! Video quality was excellent and the fact that each talk appeared in the C3 media archive only a couple of hours later impressed me very much. That is better service than many (or most?) commercial providers deliver. You people are fantastic! -- [[User:Mosquito|Mosquito]] ([[User talk:Mosquito|talk]])<br />
* Nothing short of amazing -- [[User:Raboof|Raboof]] ([[User talk:Raboof|talk]])<br />
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=== Projectleiding ===<br />
* Thank you for your work. -- [[User:Justelex|Justelex]] ([[User talk:Justelex|talk]])<br />
** +1 Agreement from my side -- [[User:Foorschtbar|Foorschtbar]] ([[User talk:Foorschtbar|talk]])<br />
** ++ -- [[User:M10|M10]] ([[User talk:M10|talk]])<br />
* <3 -- [[User:Raboof|Raboof]] ([[User talk:Raboof|talk]])<br />
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=== ROC ===<br />
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* Wheeze and his team did a excellent job! <br />
* Good work by the warehouse team for doing the battery swaps, saved a lot of time! [[User:MrLinux|MrLinux]]<br />
* Nice we had the HAM radio repeater! [[User:MrLinux|MrLinux]]<br />
* The ROC team lacked a bit on publicity, improvement for 2025! [[User:MrLinux|MrLinux]]<br />
* A QSL-wall could be an idea for 2025! [[User:MrLinux|MrLinux]]<br />
* We missed the VERON at the event [[User:MrLinux|MrLinux]]<br />
* Excellent Job. A Laminated card with "Radio rules" and the Channel distribution would be a nice thing to be handed out next time. -- [[User:Justelex|Justelex]] ([[User talk:Justelex|talk]])<br />
** Would definitely be good, just like enforcing the language on the radio, e.g. in a channel that was supposed to be explicitly in English, Dutch was often spoken anyway -- [[User:j0chen|j0chen]] ([[User talk:j0chen|talk]])<br />
* Next time after the DECT comes up, require as many radios as you can to be returned, forcing teams to use dect. Way better audio, point to point connections and people actually being reachable. -- [[User:Sebastius|Sebastius]] ([[User talk:Sebastius|talk]])<br />
* The audio quality sucked. Problem with the chosen technology, i know. Most conversations were completely unintelligible. -- [[User:Sebastius|Sebastius]] ([[User talk:Sebastius|talk]])<br />
* Teach people how to use the radio properly. I still don't know which name goes first etc. -- [[User:Sebastius|Sebastius]] ([[User talk:Sebastius|talk]])<br />
* Reconsider channel system. It happened too often that people were calling/listening on the wrong channel. [[User:Flimpie|Flimpie]] ([[User talk:Flimpie|talk]]) 22:38, 1 August 2022 (CEST)<br />
* Educate people on radio etiquette and how to properly talk into a radio. Yelling/speaking too quietly/having too much BG noise, combined with DMR compression creates inaudible speech [[User:Flimpie|Flimpie]] ([[User talk:Flimpie|talk]]) 22:38, 1 August 2022 (CEST)<br />
* Ensuring that the correct language is spoken. I heard a lot of Dutch during some security angelshifts, even though the channel was supposed to be in English. -- [[User:j0chen|j0chen]] ([[User talk:j0chen|talk]])<br />
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=== Safety / stewards / first aid / Fire Marshalls ===<br />
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* Phone numbers or other contact information was hard to find at the beginning of the event, added to the wiki later. --[[User:Juerd|Juerd]] ([[User talk:Juerd|talk]]) 20:47, 30 July 2022 (CEST)<br />
* There were no backup mobile phone numbers (at least none published) for reaching the safety teams in case of infrastructure outage, and they were unreachable when the network was down. --[[User:Juerd|Juerd]] ([[User talk:Juerd|talk]]) 20:47, 30 July 2022 (CEST)<br />
* Security: Bike path was open to all, so technically anyone could get on the terrain without a ticket. Which meant at least a few unwelcome visitors. - [[User:Noor|Noor]] ([[User talk:Noor|talk]])<br />
* I was surprised that the fire extinguishers were the first things being collected from our village (Geraffel) during teardown. At this time we still had a lot of people staying and as murphy wills, the fat bowl of our our barbecue catched fire afterwards. Fortunately nothing bad happened but my expectation would be to have extinguishers available until rented tents are torn down / all visitors are gone. At lease in large villages like ours. -- [[User:Cyb3rk41|Cyb3rk41]] ([[User talk:Cyb3rk41|talk]])<br />
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=== Shuttle services (train station, and luggage on site) ===<br />
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* Shuttle drop-off point on field should have been marked somewhere on the maps or wiki, during build-up. I spent forever asking around trying to find the drop-off point, only to find it at heaven. - [[User:Noor|Noor]] ([[User talk:Noor|talk]])<br />
* Shuttle was efficient and worked well when I used it -- [[User:SK|SK]] ([[User talk:SK|talk]])<br />
* Shuttle ticket was a bit last-minute and unclear (i.e. afaik never produced an actual "ticket", which lead to questions - and in the end was more like a donation than a strictly-required ticket) -- [[User:SK|SK]] ([[User talk:SK|talk]])<br />
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=== Supermarket ===<br />
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* The supermarket was a really valuable addition to the event, and probably saved lots of fuel and time for people. I found the prices acceptable, and the choice of products was surprisingly broad! --[[User:Juerd|Juerd]] ([[User talk:Juerd|talk]]) 20:47, 30 July 2022 (CEST)<br />
** +1 Agreement from my side -- [[User:Foorschtbar|Foorschtbar]] ([[User talk:Foorschtbar|talk]])<br />
* Supermarket was a great thing and I hope we'll have it at the next event. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])<br />
* Supermarket was wonderful, it felt like being back in civilization again and I could just zip inside to get a drink or breakfast for the next morning. - [[User:Noor|Noor]] ([[User talk:Noor|talk]])<br />
* was very useful to have and surprisingly well-stocked (i.e. not just packaged junk food). Next time they'll know to bring less soft-drinks and more Ethernet/USB/... cables ;) -- [[User:SK|SK]] ([[User talk:SK|talk]])<br />
* Guests from abroad struggled to make use of the supermarket, since it didn't accept foreign cards and there was no ATM on site. -- [[User:HerraBRE|HerraBRE]]<br />
* The supermarket was a really good idea, however my card was not accepted so I was very dependent on cash - Very limited without an ATM on camp. -- [[User:j0chen|j0chen]] ([[User talk:j0chen|talk]])<br />
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=== Sysadmin / bofh ===<br />
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* Having had to deal with the crumbling of central infrastructure in other events, I really appreciated the stability of the wiki and Engelsystem before and throughout the event. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])<br />
* Engelsystem and wiki could've used longer login sessions. Every time I tried to quickly check my angel shifts I had to login again. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])<br />
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=== Terrain ===<br />
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* The western way to quiet camping was not accessible: so narrow that you can only go one way at a time and a huge log being in the way.<br />
** I actually opened it up significantly with a trolley, it had 1,5m high weeds on it and was almost overgrown. [[User:SA007|SA007]] ([[User talk:SA007|talk]])<br />
* The quiet camping area (Wilson field) turned out to be quite crammed and could be bigger for the next event. I assume this was caused by the scouts taking some of that area due to the unfortunate double booking. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])<br />
* The quiet camping really missed a shower container, nearest was the family village, a 15 mins walk. (with sha2017 there was one) [[User:MrLinux|MrLinux]]<br />
* Not something really on us, I knew that the public bike path was to remain open. Most bikers were considerable in slowing down when crossing the Backbone at least, but some seemed to really adamant to enforce the negative stereotypes of people on road bikes. Create some speed bumps with cable ramps next time maybe? -- [[User:Dany|Dany]] ([[User talk:Dany|talk]])<br />
* It would have been good to (more strongly) encourage people with small children to camp in Family Zone and not Quiet Camping (Wilson field). It's unreasonable to expect small children to be quiet all the time, and yet this is what is expected on Wilson. Maybe we can make that clearer. [[User:Moem|Moem]] ([[User talk:Moem|talk]]) 13:49, 31 July 2022 (CEST)<br />
* really loved having the orga tents on the south trunk. For next time, maybe only have those teams on there that actually interact with visitors. -- [[User:Sebastius|Sebastius]] ([[User talk:Sebastius|talk]])<br />
* Next time maybe also place some villages on the south trunk road, the south trunk looked a bit 'dead' now with only orga tents. -- [[User:Sebastius|Sebastius]] ([[User talk:Sebastius|talk]])<br />
* The Zuse 'aux' path over the dike was weird and not signed properly, I walked it at night and actually looked at the map on my phone where the spot should be to get down off the dike. The path seemed to be 'walk up the dike', 'don't see any hint on where the path should be going...', 'look it up', 'walk ~150m to the left without any clue if it is the correct way' 'suddenly find a path down again'. [[User:SA007|SA007]] ([[User talk:SA007|talk]])<br />
* For me, it was the first hacker camp and i like the terrain with the ways, water, lakes, woods etc. much more than other camps, where all tens be a on a very large field -- [[User:Foorschtbar|Foorschtbar]] ([[User talk:Foorschtbar|talk]])<br />
** It was the same for me and I'm also a big fan of the terrain. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])<br />
* The online map was great - would be nice to 'level it up' for next time: searching on the map, better interlinking with the wiki, export to OsmAnd in a way that allows searching as well, mobile usability, etc -- [[User:Raboof|Raboof]] ([[User talk:Raboof|talk]])<br />
* Having the online map was great, but I wish to have something more optimized for mobile devices for the next event. Performance was poor (in mobile Firefox at least) and I totally missed the options menu for showing villages. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])<br />
* The online map was great, but I worked a lot with printed maps which were all outdated. I dont expect daily printouts, but during the teardown, the maps were still at the level of Day 0, where much has already been moved. Due to the missing Village function, the webmap was not an alternative for me.<br />
* I always got lost at night because the signs weren't illuminated: I had no idea what field I was looking at/standing in. -- [[User:Bronsen|Bronsen]] ([[User talk:Bronsen|talk]])<br />
* map on mobile was a pain, perhaps to incompatible browser. And it would have been nice to link from a village's map inlay to the big map for easier orientation. -- [[User:Bronsen|Bronsen]] ([[User talk:Bronsen|talk]])<br />
* Please put up sign posts to show in which direction other fields are. -- [[User:Bronsen|Bronsen]] ([[User talk:Bronsen|talk]])<br />
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=== Ticket and Entrance ===<br />
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* Just works! Thank u -- [[User:Foorschtbar|Foorschtbar]] ([[User talk:Foorschtbar|talk]])<br />
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=== Toilets / Showers ===<br />
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* The maintenance crew for the toilets/showers did a great job, IMHO, those facilities where usually in very good shape. [[User:Alxndr|Alxndr]] ([[User talk:Alxndr|talk]])<br />
** +1 Agreement from my side -- [[User:Foorschtbar|Foorschtbar]] ([[User talk:Foorschtbar|talk]])<br />
** +1 All facilities were great, better than anything I'm used to -- [[User:j0chen|j0chen]] ([[User talk:j0chen|talk]])<br />
** +1 -- [[User:Bronsen|Bronsen]] ([[User talk:Bronsen|talk]])<br />
* Easily the best showers of any hacker camp I've been to. -- [[User:Q3k|Q3k]] ([[User talk:Q3k|talk]])<br />
* There should have been showers closer to the quiet camping area. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])<br />
* This has been my first hacker camp and I don't know the "hacker camp standards" on showers but I know a lot of music festivals. Compared to this, I must say the showering experience was simply great! I always had warm water and never had to queue and this is something I NEVER experienced on any festival yet - I'm used to waiting and then having cold water only. -- [[User:Cyb3rk41|Cyb3rk41]] ([[User talk:Cyb3rk41|talk]])<br />
* Having urinals in all places where normal toilets were available would greatly have contributed to the cleanliness of the toilets, I suppose. -- [[User:Cyb3rk41|Cyb3rk41]] ([[User talk:Cyb3rk41|talk]])<br />
** +1 Agreement from my side -- [[User:Foorschtbar|Foorschtbar]] ([[User talk:Foorschtbar|talk]])<br />
* The showers and toilets were GREAT. Well done everyone involved! Random suggestion: it was warm enough that I would actually have welcomed a (cheaper and more eco-friendly?) cold shower option. -- [[User:HerraBRE|HerraBRE]]<br />
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=== Villages ===<br />
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* It is useful that villages are distributed over the field beforehand, but I think it would be reasonable to expect villages to 'lay their claim' physically on day 0 at the latest, and from day 1 onwards have any remaining empty space welcome unaffiliated hackers. Forcing unaffiliated hackers onto designated "free for all" areas seems like an antipattern to me. It might be better to have 'dots' on the map rather than 'areas' for distributing the villages, to promote more flexibility? Perhaps we can make pretty 'poles' to put into the ground saying "Village X will be around here, and is a small/medium/big village" for orientation? -- [[User:Raboof|Raboof]] ([[User talk:Raboof|talk]])<br />
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=== Village tent/furniture rental (Moebelhaus) ===<br />
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* Our tent ended up being rotated by pi/2 compared to the map. This ended up totally throwing off what we were planning. We managed regardless, but it'd be great if in the future these maps would actually reflect reality :). -- [[User:Q3k|Q3k]] ([[User talk:Q3k|talk]])<br />
* Our tent was leaking, especially on the connector between modules. -- [[User:Q3k|Q3k]] ([[User talk:Q3k|talk]])<br />
* Don't see a spot for team tents. The Deco tent had a steel bar all around the bottom, making it really annoying with carts and a trip hazard. [[User:SA007|SA007]] ([[User talk:SA007|talk]])<br />
* Great service, very useful, good stuff. It would be nice to have some way to see which furniture was still 'in flight' and which had already been delivered, to catch missing/misdelivered furniture earlier -- [[User:Raboof|Raboof]] ([[User talk:Raboof|talk]])<br />
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=== Visitors ===<br />
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* Most visitors were excellent, as always. But in the next few years when thinking of the next event, we should probably talk about people who I guess must be new to this community, that are incredibly lax with the photo/filming policy, and behave like consumers instead of participants. --[[User:Juerd|Juerd]] ([[User talk:Juerd|talk]]) 20:49, 30 July 2022 (CEST)<br />
** agreed, many post in social media contain lots of peoples faces. I doubt that everyone was asked for permission.<br />
* I suspect that there were quite a lot of 'visitors' that didn't have a ticket on site walking around besides the scouts. [[User:SA007|SA007]] ([[User talk:SA007|talk]])<br />
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=== Volunteering / Angels ===<br />
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* Providing the angels with reusable water bottles was a very good idea. [[User:Alxndr|Alxndr]] ([[User talk:Alxndr|talk]])<br />
** Agreed -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])<br />
** +1 - I did use it a lot more than I expected at first, which was probably quite healthy to do -- [[User:SK|SK]] ([[User talk:SK|talk]])<br />
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==== Angel Food ====<br />
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* My only complaint about Mecklenb[öoøu]rg(er)? is that I still don't know how to spell their name. The food is wonderful, the people are great too! --[[User:Juerd|Juerd]] ([[User talk:Juerd|talk]]) 20:51, 30 July 2022 (CEST)<br />
** +1 Agreement from my side. The only thing i missed was more sorts of tea. i buyed one box of peppermint tea bags, and they where empty in 1h which means the people like it (more)!? -- [[User:Foorschtbar|Foorschtbar]] ([[User talk:Foorschtbar|talk]])<br />
* The food was great, as always :) -- [[User:Pinoaffe|Pinoaffe]] ([[User talk:Pinoaffe|talk]])<br />
* The angel food was incredible. One of the highlights of this event. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])<br />
* Angel food was mostly great, except for the dinner on day 0 and some dishes otherwise. I'd also have appreciated some sort of meat at least every other day. - [[User:Noor|Noor]] ([[User talk:Noor|talk]])<br />
* As always very good. Only complaint lack of coffee mugs -- [[User:SK|SK]] ([[User talk:SK|talk]])<br />
** Ha! I think i did order them, but for some reason we didn't get them. Will make a note for next time. -- [[User:Sebastius|Sebastius]] ([[User talk:Sebastius|talk]])<br />
* The Angel food was to die for (sorry, couldn't resist), big thanks to the Mecklenb[öoøu]rg(er) crew for that. Didn't miss a meat option at all. -- [[User:Dany|Dany]] ([[User talk:Dany|talk]])<br />
* I want a Mecklenbørger for my next birthday. It was just so relaxing to know that the kitchen was completely meat-free. [[User:Moem|Moem]] ([[User talk:Moem|talk]]) 13:52, 31 July 2022 (CEST)<br />
* Great food just like at SHA, and nice to have no worries about things containing meat :) -- [[User:F0x|F0x]] ([[User talk:F0x|talk]])<br />
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==== Angel Kitchen ====<br />
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* Dishwashing was a lot more manageable than at previous events, thanks to the fact that there as more equipment available. -- [[User:Pinoaffe|Pinoaffe]] ([[User talk:Pinoaffe|talk]])<br />
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==== Angel desk and Angel system ====<br />
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* I'd really like it if the Engelsystem alert emails contained the actual update in the email content. I'd get spammed with email notifications and if I wanted to actually read the update, I'd have to click through and login to the Engelsystem. I just ended up leaving most of those updates unread throughout the day. - [[User:Noor|Noor]] ([[User talk:Noor|talk]])<br />
* Would be nice if the angelsystem was more usable on mobile -- [[User:Raboof|Raboof]] ([[User talk:Raboof|talk]])<br />
* The login sessions could have been a bit longer, I was constantly kicked out when I just wanted to look up something. -- [[User:j0chen|j0chen]] ([[User talk:j0chen|talk]])<br />
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==== Heaven ====<br />
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* I assume this was just some miscommunication etc, but the outdoor seating was removed too early, esp given covid situation. Otherwise all good. -- [[User:SK|SK]] ([[User talk:SK|talk]])<br />
** Yeah, it happened when i wasn't looking. We should have moved some tables outside. -- [[User:Sebastius|Sebastius]] ([[User talk:Sebastius|talk]])<br />
* The rules for core-team people (which were doing shifts outside the angel-system) for the heaven food should be made more clear. [[User:MrLinux|MrLinux]]<br />
** That was actually really clear. Your teamlead might not have communicated it to you. Red wristband for 'full time work during event' and vouchers obtainable by teamleads for those doing work outside of the angel system. -- [[User:Sebastius|Sebastius]] ([[User talk:Sebastius|talk]])<br />
* I dearly wish we would have had the time to decorate Heaven. Unfortunately, the loss of time during buildup (*shakes fist at the weather gods*) made that impossible. The tent itself was splendid, so spacious. [[User:Moem|Moem]] ([[User talk:Moem|talk]]) 13:54, 31 July 2022 (CEST)<br />
** Ah well, we did a little by ourselves with the parasols, and it was fine! Next time! -- [[User:Sebastius|Sebastius]] ([[User talk:Sebastius|talk]])<br />
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=== Warehouse ===<br />
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* Warehouse did a really great job. And I requested some really strange things. They even got Powercables and a Compressor for repairing the Flamethrowers. -- [[User:Justelex|Justelex]] ([[User talk:Justelex|talk]])<br />
** +1 Agreement from my side -- [[User:Foorschtbar|Foorschtbar]] ([[User talk:Foorschtbar|talk]])<br />
* Warehouse should maybe stock more small stepladders, I feel they were regularly all in use. Otherwise great supplies. [[User:SA007|SA007]] ([[User talk:SA007|talk]])<br />
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=== Waste / garbage / trash ===<br />
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* Slightly sad that trash was just split into “glass” and “everything else”. It'd be nice if we could at least recycle cardboard/paper! -- [[User:Q3k|Q3k]] ([[User talk:Q3k|talk]])<br />
** Agreed. Throwing everything into the "Other Waste" containers felt wrong. I understand this was on the waste company dropping the ball. Let's make sure this won't happen at the next event. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])<br />
** +1 Agreement from my side -- [[User:Foorschtbar|Foorschtbar]] ([[User talk:Foorschtbar|talk]])<br />
** That was the supplier dropping the ball in almost every category. It was in the plan (i co-wrote it) -- [[User:Sebastius|Sebastius]] ([[User talk:Sebastius|talk]])<br />
* an awful lot of mate etc bottles ended up in glass trash I think - the later-deployed bottle collection crates helped with that -- [[User:SK|SK]] ([[User talk:SK|talk]])<br />
** Yeah that happened last time too. We did plan for drop points. Not sure why the points weren't deployed earlier by team Bar. -- [[User:Sebastius|Sebastius]] ([[User talk:Sebastius|talk]])</div>Bronsenhttps://wiki.mch2022.org/index.php?title=Feedback&diff=18127Feedback2022-08-03T16:52:37Z<p>Bronsen: /* Terrain */ moar sign posts please; illuminate signs at night</p>
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=== General / overall ===<br />
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* So happy about the progressive pride and Antifa flag on the tower<br />
* Awesome event again, thanks to everyone who did their part to making it such -- [[User:SK|SK]] ([[User talk:SK|talk]])<br />
* It was fantastic and I am already stoked for the next one! -- [[User:Mosquito|Mosquito]] ([[User talk:Mosquito|talk]])<br />
** +1 Agreement from my side -- [[User:Foorschtbar|Foorschtbar]] ([[User talk:Foorschtbar|talk]])<br />
* I had a great camp overall, it was way more comfortable than I'd expected and things seemed to run smoothly. Being greeted by progressive pride flag on the Orga tent and tower instantly made me feel at ease. -- [[User:Dany|Dany]] ([[User talk:Dany|talk]])<br />
* would be a really good idea to water the ways more often, to prevent the dust. -- [[User:Justelex|Justelex]] ([[User talk:Justelex|talk]])<br />
** I'd be afraid this would quickly turn into mud, and I prefer dust to mud -- [[User:Pinoaffe|Pinoaffe]] ([[User talk:Pinoaffe|talk]])<br />
* It seems that there was so much time spend on nice to haves and to little on must haves resulting in quite a few people beeing totally burned out, I really wonder if its worth it organizing it again next year at this size with this much "consumers" visiting and maybe just going back to a smaller size is nicer, the big presence of sponsors also did not help with this feeling. -- [[User:Erik|Erik]] ([[User talk:Erik|talk]])<br />
** I am not quite sure where you saw those "consumers", especially since that would be quite a high entry price for a consumer (no daytickets and all). As far as I know we didn't finish selling all tickets so it was smaller then expected even. Although I do understand that you are longing for a smaller sized event (there are definitely a couple of those out there), I dearly hope that this event will even grow, since it is quite nice to have more and new people being interested and learning more. Sponsors I am unsure about, since I do know they were a big help in financing the whole event. With the point of being to burned out, that might be a problem of scheduling and volunteering, since there were around ~400 volunteers for the whole event (officially).<br />
** Don't worry, next year is not a thing, we do this every four years (Corona volente). As for the size of the event, for me it's just about right as it was this year, but opinions can and will always differ. If you like a cosy, small event that happens next year, Bornhack might be your thing.[[User:Moem|Moem]] ([[User talk:Moem|talk]])<br />
* Still amazed by the amount of creativity and community, so many people sharing what they love and are good at -- [[User:Raboof|Raboof]] ([[User talk:Raboof|talk]])<br />
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=== Arrival / departure / parking / train shuttle / luggage shuttle ===<br />
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* I was surprised twice that empty places in the field were apparently claimed. It was not clear to me that people had staked out places already on the wiki. This would seem to me one of The Most Important Things To Tell People: "whatever is on the wiki wins". Or perhaps abolish that, also fine by me, but in any case be very clear about it. I could also do with an AR app or so that shows me what people claimed :-) -- [[User:Ahu|Ahu]] ([[User talk:Ahu|talk]])<br />
** Next time we should plan some areas for 'those without village', i heard they were planned for this time but they might have gotten lost with the last minute rearranging due to the double booking. -- [[User:Sebastius|Sebastius]] ([[User talk:Sebastius|talk]])<br />
** (moved my feedback here to [[Feedback#Villages]]) -- [[User:Raboof|Raboof]] ([[User talk:Raboof|talk]])<br />
* Last day of the event felt kinda "lost" as people were beginning to tear things down from early on in the day well before the closing event. Was bit of a weird mood/feeling. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])<br />
** +1 Agreement from my side -- [[User:Foorschtbar|Foorschtbar]] ([[User talk:Foorschtbar|talk]])<br />
** While it is pretty normal for many people to already pack their things on the last day, the problem was certainly exacerbated by the fact that a roundmail on day 4 told all villages that their rented tents had to be "cleaned and empty" no later than 17:30 on day 5. That really gave villages no choice but to tear everything down during daytime on day 5. [[User:PoempelFox|PoempelFox]] ([[User talk:PoempelFox|talk]])<br />
* The parking area was way better then at Sha. A Regular people shuttle on the field with one or two 4+ seater golfcarts would be awesome for pregnant / people that can't walk long distances and so on. (Maybe also on call would be enough) -- [[User:Justelex|Justelex]] ([[User talk:Justelex|talk]])<br />
* "Shuttle goes when it goes" without any indication how long it will take is no option for people who have to catch their train/flight. We had many questions and complaints at the infodesk. A schedule would be great. -- [[User:Sirgoofy|sirgoofy]]<br />
* The shuttle stop changed during the event. It would be great to have a dedicated shuttle stop (with sign and timetable) during the event.<br />
* The payment system for the shuttle was too complicated. We had many questions about buying tickets at the infodesk. People tried to buy tickets in the online shop, but had problems getting their order paid. It would be better to make it free, or allow to pay in cash in the shuttle.<br />
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=== Badge ===<br />
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* Very well-made and polished badge, really surprised me with the effort put into it and its versatility! [[User:Vurpo|Vurpo]] ([[User talk:Vurpo|talk]]) 21:07, 30 July 2022 (CEST) <br />
** +1 Agreement from my side -- [[User:Foorschtbar|Foorschtbar]] ([[User talk:Foorschtbar|talk]])<br />
** +1 -- [[User:Bronsen|Bronsen]] ([[User talk:Bronsen|talk]])<br />
* The badge is really nice, but the price of MCH admission is already hindering people we'd like to reach. Perhaps do consider if we really need it. -- [[User:Ahu|Ahu]] ([[User talk:Ahu|talk]])<br />
* Awesome badge, I had a lot of fun tinkering with it during camp and always received helpful advice in the IRC channel. Please keep this project going! [[User:Alxndr|Alxndr]] ([[User talk:Alxndr|talk]])<br />
* The badge is amazing! However, I feel bad that my badges from previous events barely got used and this one is likely to suffer the same fate. For environmental/cost reasons, I kinda wish I could have opted out. Alternately, if there were a way to hand my badge in after the event and know it would be used for educational purposes later on, I would have given it up a heartbeat. -- [[User:HerraBRE|HerraBRE]]<br />
* Really love the badge, it inspired me to try micropython for the first time. Also I find it to be a piece of art, the PCB design is just great. On the other side, I'm also sceptical on the ecological aspects. I fear that many hackers will not use it anymore after the event or even never use it at all. Maybe it would be a good idea to offer badges as an option instead of giving everyone a piece. -- [[User:Cyb3rk41|Cyb3rk41]] ([[User talk:Cyb3rk41|talk]])<br />
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=== Bars and food court ===<br />
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* The capacity of the food-stands was quite low, which resulted in long waiting times. Not good with hungry kids. [[User:Fhp|Fhp]] ([[User talk:Fhp|talk]])<br />
* Agree with above: low capacity for the commercial food stands. They also didn't seem to grasp the concept of 'lunch'. I expected them to be up and running around 13.00, but most of them weren't, resulting in even longer lines at the places that were open earlier. -- [[User:Dany|Dany]] ([[User talk:Dany|talk]])<br />
* The food stands I've visited (Wok, Fries) had poor in-person advertising of everything that they were actually selling and how much it cost. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])<br />
** Agreed. Menu and pricing was often hard to read -- [[User:j0chen|j0chen]] ([[User talk:j0chen|talk]])<br />
* The Johny Cash Burger was great but mostly I fed on waffles by the awesome C3WOC <3. And of course one can rely on the Italian Hackers' Embassy for excellent pasta and Italian Grappa. By the way... is there a Spanish or French Embassy with similar services? Would put that on my checklist for the next camp. ;-) Oh and Angel Food was also great and healthy. Didn't miss meat there, eating more veg is better for the environment anyways. Thanks for the opportunity! Conclusion: Wide range, many choices, very good! -- [[User:Mosquito|Mosquito]] ([[User talk:Mosquito|talk]])<br />
* Frietsaus is not Mayo. [[User:MrLinux|MrLinux]]<br />
* The split layout of the bar/food area didn't really work. You couldn't see all in one go, so most people only visited one bar making a huge queue there. -- [[User:Sebastius|Sebastius]] ([[User talk:Sebastius|talk]])<br />
* Coffee vendor people had no idea what they were doing. Literally not knowing what a Latte Machiatto is while it's on their menu. -- [[User:Sebastius|Sebastius]] ([[User talk:Sebastius|talk]])<br />
* Next time get food vendors from several companies instead of using one single source. Yes it's more work to set up but this time the overall quality was not great (but acceptable). -- [[User:Sebastius|Sebastius]] ([[User talk:Sebastius|talk]])<br />
* Next time also get some vendors who do varied meals (every day a different choice, like the vegan place at CCCamp2019) at competitive pricing. -- [[User:Sebastius|Sebastius]] ([[User talk:Sebastius|talk]])<br />
** +1 I think some vendors (pizza) had very little choice, which has not changed. -- [[User:j0chen|j0chen]] ([[User talk:j0chen|talk]])<br />
* Next time allow Mecklenborger to also have a food-truck for the general public on camp. -- [[User:Sebastius|Sebastius]] ([[User talk:Sebastius|talk]]) +1<br />
* Overall nice. Might be good to promote villages that have good capacity for selling food as well somehow, to make it more 'integrated'? -- [[User:Raboof|Raboof]] ([[User talk:Raboof|talk]])<br />
** especially the C3WOC with their delicious waffles -- [[User:j0chen|j0chen]] ([[User talk:j0chen|talk]])<br />
* Unfortunately the bars were out of the larger plastic glasses very soon. -- [[User:Kokx|Kokx]] ([[User talk:Kokx|talk]])<br />
* the commercial food vendors I tried had good quality but rather high prices; so I was glad for the big kitchen in our village -- [[User:Bronsen|Bronsen]] ([[User talk:Bronsen|talk]])<br />
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=== Buildup and teardown ===<br />
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* As one of the persons who collected what felt like a kilometre of Flatterband at teardown, and removed a pile of pegs it was attached to, I would like to thank those buildup angels who didn't sink the pegs below ground level. You made my job a lot easier! :) [[User:Alxndr|Alxndr]] ([[User talk:Alxndr|talk]])<br />
** +1 Agreement from my side -- [[User:Foorschtbar|Foorschtbar]] ([[User talk:Foorschtbar|talk]])<br />
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=== COVID19 precautions ===<br />
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* Thanks for caring about ventilation. [https://grafana.mch2022.org/d/q9gZutJ7z/mch2022?orgId=1&viewPanel=30&from=1658492800367&to=1658853839068 CO2 meters] and open sides weren't in place during the opening talk, but this was fixed quickly after and I heard the security team kept an eye on the graphs. --[[User:Juerd|Juerd]] ([[User talk:Juerd|talk]]) 20:43, 30 July 2022 (CEST)<br />
* I liked the availability of masks and self tests for those who forgot to bring their own. I've heard about a few dozen people who got infected, but there were probably more. Thanks to the rapid tests and the heroes who chose to isolate, we may have averted a disastrous superspreading event. --[[User:Juerd|Juerd]] ([[User talk:Juerd|talk]]) 22:02, 30 July 2022 (CEST)<br />
** +1 Agreement from my side -- [[User:Foorschtbar|Foorschtbar]] ([[User talk:Foorschtbar|talk]])<br />
** Very much appreciated the easy availability of masks and rapid tests. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])<br />
* It would have been good to switch from recommended to required mask wearing, at least indoors, once it became clear that "personal responsibility" wasn't working out (even in this community, what a disappointment). [[User:Alxndr|Alxndr]] ([[User talk:Alxndr|talk]])<br />
** Agreeing on all points. Was also a bit disappointed. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])<br />
** +1 -- [[User:Bronsen|Bronsen]] ([[User talk:Bronsen|talk]])<br />
** Its quite hard to do that in a country where this is not a rule anymore.<br />
* It was good to request/require mask wearing in the food queue in Heaven. It would have been even better to do it from the very beginning. [[User:Moem|Moem]] ([[User talk:Moem|talk]]) 09:20, 31 July 2022 (CEST)<br />
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=== Cohesion ===<br />
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* Put your feedback here :)<br />
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=== Content / talks / heralds / speakerdesk / AV / recordings ===<br />
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* In the end it worked pretty well, but perhaps do ponder having some "known good" presenter laptops/devices available. This has worked very well for other conferences. I used a 200 euro Chromebook with a throwaway google account. -- [[User:Ahu|Ahu]] ([[User talk:Ahu|talk]])<br />
* This is a matter of taste - if you light up the speakers real well, the audience can enjoy a well lighted speaker. But the speaker then often can't see the audience. And during my talks, I love to actually see the audience. This was better in 2017 (at least in Abacus and Battery). -- [[User:Ahu|Ahu]] ([[User talk:Ahu|talk]])<br />
* The speaker desk and the room to work is absolutely ACE. -- [[User:Ahu|Ahu]] ([[User talk:Ahu|talk]])<br />
* Very friendly and helpful people at the speakerdesk and also Heralds and other Angels. Dry running my laptop with the monitor at the Speaker Desk before the talk made me much calmer once I knew that worked. Thank you! -- [[User:Mosquito|Mosquito]] ([[User talk:Mosquito|talk]])<br />
* had the opposite experience: crablab forgot giving me a speaker badge and was not very hospitable "i'd prefer if you bought your mate at the bar" the single time I asked for one in order to work on my slides -- [[User:Fraxinas|Fraxinas]] ([[User talk:Fraxinas|talk]])<br />
* Generally felt welcome as a speaker, thanks! I didn't end up using the speaker area as it felt a bit like a 'fish tank' being so exposed to the main road (but that might be a personal hang-up ;) ) -- [[User:Raboof|Raboof]] ([[User talk:Raboof|talk]])<br />
* It would have been nice to have a more 'integrated' programme containing both the 'curated' content and the 'self-organized' sessions. It was nice that some self-organized sessions were added to https://program.mch2022.org but it'd be even nicer to have that 'direct' somehow -- [[User:Raboof|Raboof]] ([[User talk:Raboof|talk]])<br />
* It would have been nice to have an officially-recommended app - Giggity worked great on Android, just promoting that more might have been a good start -- [[User:Raboof|Raboof]] ([[User talk:Raboof|talk]])<br />
* It would be nice to cross-link the schedule with the livestreams/recordings better -- [[User:Raboof|Raboof]] ([[User talk:Raboof|talk]])<br />
* Several of the workshop presenters said they would make their presentations available, but the majority is unfindable. I did understand a presentation can be added to the schedule, but it is hard to spot that this has actually been done. Maybe an independent index with such material can be made and material actively requested? -- [[User:M10|M10]] ([[User talk:M10|talk]])<br />
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=== CTF ===<br />
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* The CTF as a whole was excellent. Really interesting challenges on multiple categories and I still think this is the best CTF I have attended. Even the easy challenges had nice twists to them, no basic "'or 1=1;-- = flag" here. -- [[User:Onja|Onja]]<br />
* Both the competitors and the organizers I chatted with were very nice and passionate. Organizers gave good hints without giving too much away on couple of the challenges when we were stuck. -- [[User:Onja|Onja]]<br />
* There were plenty of beverages to keep us going, hard part was to remember to eat something once in a while. <br />
* Only complaint I have is about the ctf area: the outside tent was mostly more trouble than it was worth with wind trying to blow the whole tent away and the inside got crowded pretty fast. DT lounge area was nice but I'm not 1337 h4x0r enough to sit there 4 days in a row, my back will kill me. :D -- [[User:Onja|Onja]]<br />
* Looking forward to reading challenge writeups (I still want to hear the creators thoughts on Coinflip even though we eventually managed to solve it). Also I agree that Coinflip was one of the tougher challenges, should have been 200 pts (whine, whine). -- [[User:Onja|Onja]]<br />
* Summary: We will definitely be back next time! -- [[User:Onja|Onja]]<br />
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=== Decoration / design ===<br />
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* Well done all around -- [[User:SK|SK]] ([[User talk:SK|talk]]) 01:07, 31 July 2022 (CEST)<br />
* The design was so colorful and well thought out, it gave team Deco a lot to work with. Great job! [[User:Moem|Moem]] ([[User talk:Moem|talk]]) 09:22, 31 July 2022 (CEST) <br />
** +1 Agreement from my side -- [[User:Foorschtbar|Foorschtbar]] ([[User talk:Foorschtbar|talk]])<br />
** I really like the design, the whole theme. good job! -- [[User:Bronsen|Bronsen]] ([[User talk:Bronsen|talk]])<br />
* The deco was really cool, I especially liked the UV-reactive strings that gave the illusion of lasers and the super cute felt plants in the Silent Lounge. -- [[User:Dany|Dany]] ([[User talk:Dany|talk]])<br />
* Both design and deco were amazing! Also great that it was available beforehand, including the 'generator', so villages etc could use it in their preparations as well -- [[User:Raboof|Raboof]] ([[User talk:Raboof|talk]])<br />
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=== Family / kids ===<br />
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* Great vibe at the zone \o/<br />
* Maybe one or two hot water faucets would be useful (for baby care, for dishwashing, etc)<br />
* Sponsors like to party, maybe keep that in mind when planning in the noise gradient<br />
* As someone without kids I love that people feel welcome to bring theirs, and the atmosphere that comes with that. Accidentally ran into the "balloon folding (for adults)" workshop which was hilarious. Great fun. -- [[User:Raboof|Raboof]] ([[User talk:Raboof|talk]])<br />
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=== Finance / coins / payments ===<br />
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* Payment by card worked mostly well, other than the supermarket not accepting international cards. My main issue was that the payment system was not well enough explained before the actual event! The blog post and wiki page were pretty long and still left me confused about what the actual payment system on the field was going to end up being. Even a simple "TL;DR we will use regular international payment cards with chip/contactless" would have helped me. [[User:Vurpo|Vurpo]] ([[User talk:Vurpo|talk]]) 21:04, 30 July 2022 (CEST)<br />
* I asked at several bars and the food court where I could get the prepaid card for the MCH payment system, but nobody knew, so I ended up using my regular payment card. [[User:Alxndr|Alxndr]] ([[User talk:Alxndr|talk]]<br />
** The MCH payment system only was operational from day 1 (with paper QR codes) and the ability to print them on plastic cards was added later - [[User:Noor|Noor]]<br />
** yeah communication could have been better, the main problem was that most of it was arranged by one single person (never a good idea). Next time we need to find more people who work on the financial/tickets stuff. <br />
* I liked the idea of the cashless QR-code, especially the later upgrade to a "hard card" rather than just a stub of thermal paper. Avoids using the big payment providers and frees one of having to carry around cash. However I would've loved seeing more universal acceptance around the event (for example at the supermarket). -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])<br />
** +1 Agreement from my side. I missed also the acceptance at the Merch stand -- [[User:Foorschtbar|Foorschtbar]] ([[User talk:Foorschtbar|talk]])<br />
* As a foreigner visiting, I was VERY happy that I could use my card to tap and pay almost everywhere. Get the supermarket on board next time and you get a perfect score from me! The QR code system also worked quite well (I took payment at the bar a few times). I was impressed, well done. - [[User:HerraBRE|HerraBRE]]<br />
* Payment with payment cards in combination with PIN code failed. (only contactless worked, until the 50 euro weekly limit was reached.) [[User:MrLinux|MrLinux]]<br />
* The payment system is too complex and impractical for such an event. At the infodesk there were many questions and complaints on the payment system. People were confused about whether their bank card is accepted or wanted to buy QR-codes with their cards. There were many complaints about the complexity of the payment system. Normally, payment on such events is straightforward (give some money, get a drink). I guess this complicated system also restrained people from buying drinks (just a gut feeling from the number of bottles collected on the field by Team BOC). There were also many people complaining that they could not get unused money from the QR codes (because they had to leave early or came too late). -- [[User:Sirgoofy|sirgoofy]]<br />
* The payment system encouraged people not to bring cash, with is a huge issue for villages -- [[User:Sirgoofy|sirgoofy]]<br />
** Many villages rely on donations to cover costs, e.g., for food or parts for workshops, like the Italian Embassy, Millyways, Team Badge, c3woc (waffles), Chaos Post. Donations in cash are straightforward and understandable. Handling cashless donations is complicated (especially for people donating), expensive (i.e., fees), and requires bank accounts (which many villages don't have as they're just a bunch of people and no legal instance).<br />
** Cashless donations would be handy, though. Many international visitors don't have cash.<br />
** It would be great if people could donate using the QR code system (and buy QR codes cashless) -- [[User:Sirgoofy|sirgoofy]]<br />
* The MCH Payment system was a great benefit. Also that a plastic card could be created that was clearly more robust than the QR code on thermal paper.... Unfortunately, the machine took a long time to accept a bill. In addition, it would be nice to be able to recharge cards so that you can get through the camp with a printed card without directly charging one huge amount. -- [[User:j0chen|j0chen]] ([[User talk:j0chen|talk]])<br />
* An ATM would be great next time. My card was declined most of the time, so I reliant on my cash (and an ATM outside of camp) -- [[User:j0chen|j0chen]] ([[User talk:j0chen|talk]])<br />
** Or a possibility to get some cash at a desk or so? Cash needed to be handled anyway for the QR codes -- [[User:Sirgoofy|sirgoofy]]<br />
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=== Harbour / Ferry ===<br />
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* Loved the ferry service not as much as a shuttle to the other side of the water way, but as a way to enjoy some quiet time and a light breeze to (mentally) recharge away from the event. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])<br />
* The Ferry Service was great, and especially the operating hours where great. -- [[User:Justelex|Justelex]] ([[User talk:Justelex|talk]]) +1<br />
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=== Information / infodesk / wiki ===<br />
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* The infodesk should've been open for longer/as long as possible. (background: I've sat on the NOC helpdesk a bunch of times after the last infodesk angles were gone and dealt with quite a few people that were originally looking for the helpdesk; also being able to respond to infodesk calls for longer). -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])<br />
* Would be nice if the wiki was more usable on mobile -- [[User:Raboof|Raboof]] ([[User talk:Raboof|talk]])<br />
* The infodesk should be open earlier, at least starting day 0. It was unfortunate that the furniture was late (w/o desk no infodesk) -- [[User:Sirgoofy|sirgoofy]]<br />
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=== Lounges ===<br />
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* Silent lounge was very well done. Nicely decorated and people behaving very considerate (i.e. really tried to be silent). No wonder that it was popular to the point where it could've used more pillows. I was worried that people would start camping inside the lounge (similar things happen at congress for example), but that didn't turn out to be true. I've seen plenty of people taking a nap away from the noise of the event, but thankfully nobody started living inside the lounge. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])<br />
* Besides the silent lounge, I wish there were more places for people, especially for those without a village, to relax in the shade near an Ethernet port and power outlet. In the harbour there was the wood table with tent roof and the bar with a couple of seats, but both away from power outlets. Otherwise, besides the couple of deckchairs, we mostly hard hard wooden benches near the food court without shade (and no power sockets). -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])<br />
** +1 agreed, a few dedicated shaded outdoor spots would've been nice -- [[User:SK|SK]] ([[User talk:SK|talk]])<br />
** +1 I was going to write the same. Seating on the western part of the food court was hardly used because there was no shadow. Everyone was cramped beneath the roof tent in front of the east bar. On previous events there were more public spaces with roofing, sofas, bean bags, power and network. Nice place with hammocks at the speaker desk but also now shadow. Roof tents would also provide shelter in case of rain (as experienced on previous camps).<br />
** +1 I'd enjoy that as well! Perhaps with some way to announce what you're working on to encourage spontaneous conversations? Not sure how that would work though -- [[User:Raboof|Raboof]] ([[User talk:Raboof|talk]])<br />
** +1 A few shady sitting areas for hackers without Village; with sockets and ethernet sockets would have been very pleasant especially in the sunny and warm weather. -- [[User:j0chen|j0chen]] ([[User talk:j0chen|talk]])<br />
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=== Merchandise ===<br />
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* The designs look great, I'm a fan of the asymmetry and the patterned sleeves. Not being able to go a size up or down from what you ordered online was kind of disappointing. Not a major issue for myself but I know of several people who were sad about this. The [[merch exchange]] is not a great solution, but better than nothing. --[[User:Juerd|Juerd]] ([[User talk:Juerd|talk]]) 20:54, 30 July 2022 (CEST)<br />
** That mostly was the result of not receiving as many units as we ordered, sadly. -- [[User:Sebastius|Sebastius]] ([[User talk:Sebastius|talk]])<br />
* Merch was great: Awesome design and high quality. Preodering saved me from having to stay in a (humongous) line in the heat. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])<br />
* I absolutely love the hexagonal patterns and diagrams, but the amount of purple/pink was enough to keep me from buying more than a hat (that, and sizes being too big for me). - [[User:Noor|Noor]] ([[User talk:Noor|talk]])<br />
* Nice merch, despite at first not being a fan of the design. Option to preorder is great. -- [[User:SK|SK]] ([[User talk:SK|talk]])<br />
* OK so maybe I'm a dinosaur, but if I'd known that "fitted" was inclusive for "ladies", I wouldn't have ordered a way-too-small T-shirt. Not a complaint really, but maybe that could have been explained better? Help us old farts get with the program! :-D<br />
** 'Fitted' does not mean 'ladies', it means snug and cut to cling to the body, not baggy and loose. I know plenty of gentlemen who prefer that style. [[User:Moem|Moem]] ([[User talk:Moem|talk]])<br />
* Love the zipper design and quality, will be one of my favourite pieces from now on :) Preorder and pickup was easy and a great option to avoid long queues at the merch booth. -- [[User:Cyb3rk41|Cyb3rk41]] ([[User talk:Cyb3rk41|talk]])<br />
* I love how the shirts and hoodies look, but I'm worried about how well they will hold up when being washed. The rainbow looks like it will fall off just like the yellow SHA robot did. You hardly see the SHA shirts being worn anymore... but OHM and even HAR shirts, yes. [[User:Moem|Moem]] ([[User talk:Moem|talk]])<br />
** +1 love the looks but concerned about the large areas (beam/rainbow) as well - those already seemed to have faded a bit from being folded up in a damp tent... -- [[User:Raboof|Raboof]] ([[User talk:Raboof|talk]])<br />
* Loved that there were angel shirts in a different color than black again ;) -- [[User:Raboof|Raboof]] ([[User talk:Raboof|talk]])<br />
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=== Miscellaneous ===<br />
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* Swan family was pretty relaxed with all the people and activity, camping out in the middle of the terrain. - [[User:Noor|Noor]] ([[User talk:Noor|talk]]<br />
* It would be nice to have some angel-staffed dishwashing station (with manual rinse and commercial dishwashers) somewhere, to help with saving water and time, and to increase general hygiene (we all know how camp dish cleanliness standards go...) -- [[User:Q3k|Q3k]] ([[User talk:Q3k|talk]])<br />
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=== Music/laser stage / silent disco / Symphony of Fire ===<br />
* The music/laser stage was not a great fit for the event. It drained the villages and talk tents, making those less interesting. Also the whole separate 'party area' does not work for me. I would not miss it if we didn't have one next time. -- [[User:Sebastius|Sebastius]] ([[User talk:Sebastius|talk]])<br />
* No clue why we had a music stage, but if we for some reason must have one, why not have hacker-music on it (e.g. robotic instruments, chiptunes, etc), it was mostly filled with mediocre covers of songs unrelated to the event entirely. [[User:SA007|SA007]] ([[User talk:SA007|talk]])<br />
* Party area was WAY too spacious for the amount of people using it. -- [[User:Sebastius|Sebastius]] ([[User talk:Sebastius|talk]])<br />
* Loved the silent disco setup though. Also really loved it being used at night to allow the byte battle thingie to take place. -- [[User:Sebastius|Sebastius]] ([[User talk:Sebastius|talk]])<br />
* Having hacker built flame throwers which normally look awesome mounted on a commercial stage actually takes away the home-built hacker vibe of those flame throwers. -- [[User:Sebastius|Sebastius]] ([[User talk:Sebastius|talk]])<br />
* Music stage with the flamethrowers, and Symphony of Fire were awesome. - [[User:Noor|Noor]] ([[User talk:Noor|talk]])<br />
* Very well done. Silent disco was a neat solution to the inherent noise conflicts. What exactly is going on could have been a bit more detailed in the schedule, some people were sad they missed interesting things because they didn't realize who was playing. -- [[User:SK|SK]] ([[User talk:SK|talk]])<br />
* For me, the music stage did not really add anything that I would miss if it dit not happen again on a next event. Symphony of Fire was indeed awesome, I wonder if they could have played on a raised podium so more people could have seen what was happening. [[User:Moem|Moem]] ([[User talk:Moem|talk]]) 09:27, 31 July 2022 (CEST)<br />
** +1 -- [[User:Fraxinas|Fraxinas]] ([[User talk:Fraxinas|talk]])<br />
** +1 Agreement from my side -- [[User:Foorschtbar|Foorschtbar]] ([[User talk:Foorschtbar|talk]])<br />
** +1 Symphony of Fire was *the* main act at the stages, a raised podium or bigscreen would have been great that more people can see something. Especially the crowding is perhaps a bit critical with regard to the COVID measures. -- [[User:j0chen|j0chen]] ([[User talk:j0chen|talk]])<br />
* Silent disco was so much fun! More, later, longer please! Seems like a great solution for us party animals who don't want calm after 2am. - [[User:HerraBRE|HerraBRE]]<br />
* Music stage was to loud, to horrible and went on for way to long it and nowhere on the terrain you did not hear it, making sleeping almost impossible for people who actually need proper sleep (yes quiet camping was also to loud). -- [[User:Erik|Erik]] ([[User talk:Erik|talk]])<br />
* Silent disco was a great idea. But for the next time, I'd appreciate it if it wasn't just announced in advance, but if there was also information about the technology, e.g. where/if I can get suitable headphones myself or on which frequencies it runs, so that I can build a receiver myself. As far as I have heard, it was probably possible to receive the radio on the entire camp? -- [[User:j0chen|j0chen]] ([[User talk:j0chen|talk]])<br />
* three points<br />
# The main stage did not have good sound, despite the the row of massive loudspeakers in front. <br />
# Flames were fantastic.<br />
# Big screen was good. -- [[User:Bronsen|Bronsen]] ([[User talk:Bronsen|talk]])<br />
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=== NOC / Network ===<br />
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* My SFP+ module got to stay in a datenklo. A++++ would camp again. -- [[User:Q3k|Q3k]] ([[User talk:Q3k|talk]])<br />
* Datenklos were sorely missing some CYBER(tm) reflective foil wrapping -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])<br />
** There was a plan for nice aluminium foil/plated cardboard skins with the field name and other decorations on it, but the weather during buildup threw a spanner into that idea... [[User:SA007|SA007]] ([[User talk:SA007|talk]])<br />
** +1 Agreement from my side -- [[User:Foorschtbar|Foorschtbar]] ([[User talk:Foorschtbar|talk]])<br />
* Some system for releasing cables from the datenklo switches at teardown would help. I couldn't recover my uplink cable and then later realised I left without it. Maybe give a key to a nearby village person that would release cables that have no more active link on a regular basis? -- [[User:M10|M10]] ([[User talk:M10|talk]])<br />
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=== Power ===<br />
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* Thank you very much for not cutting power off after the closing event as at SHA. -- [[User:Malaclypse|Malaclypse]] ([[User talk:Malaclypse|talk]])<br />
** +1 Agreement from my side -- [[User:Foorschtbar|Foorschtbar]] ([[User talk:Foorschtbar|talk]])<br />
* I was really happy to have power available until the very end on wednesday! Thanks for that! -- [[User:Cyb3rk41|Cyb3rk41]] ([[User talk:Cyb3rk41|talk]])<br />
** Agreed. Having power for as long as possible was great. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])<br />
* The priklichtjes (festoon lights on poles) were a very welcome addition by Team:Power. [[User:Moem|Moem]] ([[User talk:Moem|talk]])<br />
** They helped me greatly in navigating the terrain in the dark, indicating where the paths where between the villages. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])<br />
*** +1 very nice for indicating paths between tents and nature. -- [[User:j0chen|j0chen]] ([[User talk:j0chen|talk]])<br />
* Very impressed with the PowerTeam, kudos! And we learned an important lesson (the hard way) that long PVC cables lying in wet grass will suck up moisture and trip the 'aardlek' (RCD?). This could be written a lot better in the power wiki page so people can prepare better. Now the neoprene cables are only recommended as the better quality, but not that PVC has negative effects, like taking out two villages for a few hours. -- [[User:M10|M10]] ([[User talk:M10|talk]])<br />
:* In general, the cable should be rated for outdoor usage. PVC cables for outdoor use do exist (and are really nice to use because they're more flexible, especially when it's cold), so a simple list of materials doesn't work. (In case you're interested: harmonized cable types have the material encoded in the type, H05RR-F for example means H = harmonized, 05 = 300V, R = rubber inner insulation, R = rubber outer insulation, F = fine stranded. Neoprene is usually identified as RN, indoor PVC as VV, outdoor PVC as V3V3 (e.g. H05V3V3-F). Not sure if listing all outdoor capable material codes would work; just look for "rated for outdoor use"; the IP44 schuko plug with the ring is a good proxy/heuristic for that.) Oh, and by the way, neoprene can also suck up moisture over time! It's just usually slow enough :) --[[User:Juerd|Juerd]] ([[User talk:Juerd|talk]])<br />
* Basically everything worked, I could imagine that a distribution of the generators across the camp is perhaps better. At the CCCamp 2019, each larger area had its own generator, so iirc there was never a full blackout. Important systems then simply get two generators (redundancy!). -- [[User:j0chen|j0chen]] ([[User talk:j0chen|talk]])<br />
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=== Off-Site Logistics ===<br />
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* Off-site logistics was a mess, during buildup the schedule was changed drastically without communication about it, we ended up waiting 9 hours for a truck that was smaller than promised requiring a second trip. Teardown I drove the van myself. [[User:SA007|SA007]] ([[User talk:SA007|talk]])<br />
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=== On-Site Logistics ===<br />
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* Gators are too loud, you can't hear each other inside a tent if they drive by. [[User:SA007|SA007]] ([[User talk:SA007|talk]])<br />
** IIRC electric vehicles were unavaible from the local rental companies, unfortunately [[User:Flimpie|Flimpie]] ([[User talk:Flimpie|talk]]) 22:38, 1 August 2022 (CEST)<br />
** +1 The gators were also so loud that you could barely understand/use the radio when you were sitting in it -- [[User:j0chen|j0chen]] ([[User talk:j0chen|talk]])<br />
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=== Other music/noise (outside the official party area) ===<br />
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* Please NEVER allow Holoplot to be on the field ever again. And if that is impossible to prevent, at least NOT do a late night party with that system. The volume OUTSIDE the tent was horrifying. -- [[User:Sebastius|Sebastius]] ([[User talk:Sebastius|talk]])<br />
* Bit torn on this one. It is a party event, but there was way too much loud music post 2 AM. Some of us do need sleep. I know, weak etc. I don't recall seeing a clear policy on what is acceptable, might be behind people feeling ok cranking up the volume after midnight. -- [[User:Ahu|Ahu]] ([[User talk:Ahu|talk]])<br />
* The Retro Arcade area was an absolute nuisance at night. They were blasting the neighbouring villages with shitty music and drunken yelling until 2 or 3 am pretty much every day. I can think of several words for this kind of behaviour, and none of them rhyme with "excellent". [[User:Alxndr|Alxndr]] ([[User talk:Alxndr|talk]])<br />
** +1 They also played the same 7 shitty songs each night. Seemed like most of the participants were corporates (BlueHatHacker, etc.). The whole thing felt pretty unfit for MCH. -- [[User:JT|JT]] ([[User talk:JT|talk]])<br />
* It seems like while the official policy was 'no noise after 1AM', it wasn't actively enforced for most cases - and I think that enabled people to also treat it a bit more like a hint rather than a rule? Perhaps for future events we should have numerical 'loudness' scores for all fields, forming a gradient, with a higher score letting people be louder and party later, and actually enforce that. That way loud people can camp in loud villages, while those who need peace and quiet can camp in quiet villages. -- [[User:Q3k|Q3k]] ([[User talk:Q3k|talk]])<br />
** I think this was sort-of implemented based on village input, but the usual event fields are just a bit too small for that to work reliably -- [[User:SK|SK]] ([[User talk:SK|talk]])<br />
* This was both badly communicated (FAQ said "until midnight", apparently the actual rule was from 1 am?) and not usefully enforced. Arcade area right next to family village especially apparently could do whatever they wanted. This makes awesome ideas like silent disco for the "official" music stage sadly quite moot. -- [[User:SK|SK]] ([[User talk:SK|talk]])<br />
* second-hand, but if security (i.e. the contact listed for noise complaints on the front page of this wiki!) really responded to calls about this with "don't call us unless there's an actual emergency" some rules seriously need to be re-established -- [[User:SK|SK]] ([[User talk:SK|talk]])<br />
* at the same time small villages further into the "louder sector" (i.e. away from family/silent camping) were told off for having any music on low volume -- [[User:SK|SK]] ([[User talk:SK|talk]])<br />
* Our village was placed in a party area. That was unfortunate. Next time I'll camp in a quiet are even if that means being far away from the village I am interested in. Geraffel adhered to the 1am quiet policy (yay!) but others didn't. They went on till after 4.30 and didn't honor complaints. -- [[User:Mosquito|Mosquito]] ([[User talk:Mosquito|talk]])<br />
* I was sad there was no place to party and dance after 2am. I agree people who want quiet should be able to enjoy quiet, but in a perfect camp there would be room for both. -- [[User:HerraBRE|HerraBRE]]<br />
* The distribution of the Villages and party zones was perhaps not quite ideal, felt the Family Zone (which had asked for quiet) was in the middle of the Party Zone (based on the noise / music) -- [[User:j0chen|j0chen]] ([[User talk:j0chen|talk]])<br />
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=== POC / Dect / Fieldphones ===<br />
* I couldn't find advance information as to when the phone / DECT network would be shut off on the wiki, having such information would be useful (but I may just have been looking in the wrong place) -- [[User:Pinoaffe|Pinoaffe]] ([[User talk:Pinoaffe|talk]])<br />
* DECT coverage was great around the whole camp area. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])<br />
** +1 Agreement from my side -- [[User:Foorschtbar|Foorschtbar]] ([[User talk:Foorschtbar|talk]])<br />
* DECT self-registration worked great (have been used to it for a while now from congress). -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])<br />
** +1 Agreement from my side -- [[User:Foorschtbar|Foorschtbar]] ([[User talk:Foorschtbar|talk]])<br />
* DECT was switched off too early. DECT is mandatory for teardown, especially as the gsm coverage is quite bad -- [[User:Sirgoofy|sirgoofy]]<br />
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=== Parcel deliveries ===<br />
* Many people that ordered things to the field were (seemingly) unaware of how parcel deliveries were supposed to work. This caused unnecessary overhead. -- [[User:Pinoaffe|Pinoaffe]] ([[User talk:Pinoaffe|talk]])<br />
* Collaborating with C3Post may be worthwhile for a next event, though they may not want to deal with large packages. -- [[User:Pinoaffe|Pinoaffe]] ([[User talk:Pinoaffe|talk]])<br />
** Delivering anything of real value sounds like a bad idea (on big events). Besides being way more effort than postcards, parcels (pending delivery) would require (secure-ish) storage space while not out for relivery or if the first delivery attempt failed. We'd also need extra couriers and not hand deliveries out to random passing-by hackers, which also leaks the info on the parcel (such as tracking numbers) to said random hackers. Also some postcards just got lost/didn't get delivered, which would be a real issue with parcels. -- [[User:Trilader|Trilader]] ([[User talk:Trilader|talk]])<br />
* Parcel deliveries had a procedure outlined at [[Parcel deliveries]] to keep them manageable, but somehow people still sent packages to the terrain without following the procedure, maybe something to add to the info booklet/advertise more?<br />
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=== Press / Media coverage ===<br />
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* Put your feedback here :)<br />
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=== Productiehuis / C3VOC ===<br />
* MOST EXCELLENT WORK!! -- [[User:Ahu|Ahu]] ([[User talk:Ahu|talk]])<br />
* The video-quality of the (few) talks I watched online was good, and I saw some nice fade effects. [[User:Fhp|Fhp]] ([[User talk:Fhp|talk]])<br />
* The hard cutoff of the intro tune annoys me every time. [[User:Fhp|Fhp]] ([[User talk:Fhp|talk]])<br />
* Kudos to the C3VOC! That was awesome! Video quality was excellent and the fact that each talk appeared in the C3 media archive only a couple of hours later impressed me very much. That is better service than many (or most?) commercial providers deliver. You people are fantastic! -- [[User:Mosquito|Mosquito]] ([[User talk:Mosquito|talk]])<br />
* Nothing short of amazing -- [[User:Raboof|Raboof]] ([[User talk:Raboof|talk]])<br />
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=== Projectleiding ===<br />
* Thank you for your work. -- [[User:Justelex|Justelex]] ([[User talk:Justelex|talk]])<br />
** +1 Agreement from my side -- [[User:Foorschtbar|Foorschtbar]] ([[User talk:Foorschtbar|talk]])<br />
** ++ -- [[User:M10|M10]] ([[User talk:M10|talk]])<br />
* <3 -- [[User:Raboof|Raboof]] ([[User talk:Raboof|talk]])<br />
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=== ROC ===<br />
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* Wheeze and his team did a excellent job! <br />
* Good work by the warehouse team for doing the battery swaps, saved a lot of time! [[User:MrLinux|MrLinux]]<br />
* Nice we had the HAM radio repeater! [[User:MrLinux|MrLinux]]<br />
* The ROC team lacked a bit on publicity, improvement for 2025! [[User:MrLinux|MrLinux]]<br />
* A QSL-wall could be an idea for 2025! [[User:MrLinux|MrLinux]]<br />
* We missed the VERON at the event [[User:MrLinux|MrLinux]]<br />
* Excellent Job. A Laminated card with "Radio rules" and the Channel distribution would be a nice thing to be handed out next time. -- [[User:Justelex|Justelex]] ([[User talk:Justelex|talk]])<br />
** Would definitely be good, just like enforcing the language on the radio, e.g. in a channel that was supposed to be explicitly in English, Dutch was often spoken anyway -- [[User:j0chen|j0chen]] ([[User talk:j0chen|talk]])<br />
* Next time after the DECT comes up, require as many radios as you can to be returned, forcing teams to use dect. Way better audio, point to point connections and people actually being reachable. -- [[User:Sebastius|Sebastius]] ([[User talk:Sebastius|talk]])<br />
* The audio quality sucked. Problem with the chosen technology, i know. Most conversations were completely unintelligible. -- [[User:Sebastius|Sebastius]] ([[User talk:Sebastius|talk]])<br />
* Teach people how to use the radio properly. I still don't know which name goes first etc. -- [[User:Sebastius|Sebastius]] ([[User talk:Sebastius|talk]])<br />
* Reconsider channel system. It happened too often that people were calling/listening on the wrong channel. [[User:Flimpie|Flimpie]] ([[User talk:Flimpie|talk]]) 22:38, 1 August 2022 (CEST)<br />
* Educate people on radio etiquette and how to properly talk into a radio. Yelling/speaking too quietly/having too much BG noise, combined with DMR compression creates inaudible speech [[User:Flimpie|Flimpie]] ([[User talk:Flimpie|talk]]) 22:38, 1 August 2022 (CEST)<br />
* Ensuring that the correct language is spoken. I heard a lot of Dutch during some security angelshifts, even though the channel was supposed to be in English. -- [[User:j0chen|j0chen]] ([[User talk:j0chen|talk]])<br />
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=== Safety / stewards / first aid / Fire Marshalls ===<br />
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* Phone numbers or other contact information was hard to find at the beginning of the event, added to the wiki later. --[[User:Juerd|Juerd]] ([[User talk:Juerd|talk]]) 20:47, 30 July 2022 (CEST)<br />
* There were no backup mobile phone numbers (at least none published) for reaching the safety teams in case of infrastructure outage, and they were unreachable when the network was down. --[[User:Juerd|Juerd]] ([[User talk:Juerd|talk]]) 20:47, 30 July 2022 (CEST)<br />
* Security: Bike path was open to all, so technically anyone could get on the terrain without a ticket. Which meant at least a few unwelcome visitors. - [[User:Noor|Noor]] ([[User talk:Noor|talk]])<br />
* I was surprised that the fire extinguishers were the first things being collected from our village (Geraffel) during teardown. At this time we still had a lot of people staying and as murphy wills, the fat bowl of our our barbecue catched fire afterwards. Fortunately nothing bad happened but my expectation would be to have extinguishers available until rented tents are torn down / all visitors are gone. At lease in large villages like ours. -- [[User:Cyb3rk41|Cyb3rk41]] ([[User talk:Cyb3rk41|talk]])<br />
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=== Shuttle services (train station, and luggage on site) ===<br />
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* Shuttle drop-off point on field should have been marked somewhere on the maps or wiki, during build-up. I spent forever asking around trying to find the drop-off point, only to find it at heaven. - [[User:Noor|Noor]] ([[User talk:Noor|talk]])<br />
* Shuttle was efficient and worked well when I used it -- [[User:SK|SK]] ([[User talk:SK|talk]])<br />
* Shuttle ticket was a bit last-minute and unclear (i.e. afaik never produced an actual "ticket", which lead to questions - and in the end was more like a donation than a strictly-required ticket) -- [[User:SK|SK]] ([[User talk:SK|talk]])<br />
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=== Supermarket ===<br />
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* The supermarket was a really valuable addition to the event, and probably saved lots of fuel and time for people. I found the prices acceptable, and the choice of products was surprisingly broad! --[[User:Juerd|Juerd]] ([[User talk:Juerd|talk]]) 20:47, 30 July 2022 (CEST)<br />
** +1 Agreement from my side -- [[User:Foorschtbar|Foorschtbar]] ([[User talk:Foorschtbar|talk]])<br />
* Supermarket was a great thing and I hope we'll have it at the next event. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])<br />
* Supermarket was wonderful, it felt like being back in civilization again and I could just zip inside to get a drink or breakfast for the next morning. - [[User:Noor|Noor]] ([[User talk:Noor|talk]])<br />
* was very useful to have and surprisingly well-stocked (i.e. not just packaged junk food). Next time they'll know to bring less soft-drinks and more Ethernet/USB/... cables ;) -- [[User:SK|SK]] ([[User talk:SK|talk]])<br />
* Guests from abroad struggled to make use of the supermarket, since it didn't accept foreign cards and there was no ATM on site. -- [[User:HerraBRE|HerraBRE]]<br />
* The supermarket was a really good idea, however my card was not accepted so I was very dependent on cash - Very limited without an ATM on camp. -- [[User:j0chen|j0chen]] ([[User talk:j0chen|talk]])<br />
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=== Sysadmin / bofh ===<br />
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* Having had to deal with the crumbling of central infrastructure in other events, I really appreciated the stability of the wiki and Engelsystem before and throughout the event. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])<br />
* Engelsystem and wiki could've used longer login sessions. Every time I tried to quickly check my angel shifts I had to login again. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])<br />
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=== Terrain ===<br />
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* The western way to quiet camping was not accessible: so narrow that you can only go one way at a time and a huge log being in the way.<br />
** I actually opened it up significantly with a trolley, it had 1,5m high weeds on it and was almost overgrown. [[User:SA007|SA007]] ([[User talk:SA007|talk]])<br />
* The quiet camping area (Wilson field) turned out to be quite crammed and could be bigger for the next event. I assume this was caused by the scouts taking some of that area due to the unfortunate double booking. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])<br />
* The quiet camping really missed a shower container, nearest was the family village, a 15 mins walk. (with sha2017 there was one) [[User:MrLinux|MrLinux]]<br />
* Not something really on us, I knew that the public bike path was to remain open. Most bikers were considerable in slowing down when crossing the Backbone at least, but some seemed to really adamant to enforce the negative stereotypes of people on road bikes. Create some speed bumps with cable ramps next time maybe? -- [[User:Dany|Dany]] ([[User talk:Dany|talk]])<br />
* It would have been good to (more strongly) encourage people with small children to camp in Family Zone and not Quiet Camping (Wilson field). It's unreasonable to expect small children to be quiet all the time, and yet this is what is expected on Wilson. Maybe we can make that clearer. [[User:Moem|Moem]] ([[User talk:Moem|talk]]) 13:49, 31 July 2022 (CEST)<br />
* really loved having the orga tents on the south trunk. For next time, maybe only have those teams on there that actually interact with visitors. -- [[User:Sebastius|Sebastius]] ([[User talk:Sebastius|talk]])<br />
* Next time maybe also place some villages on the south trunk road, the south trunk looked a bit 'dead' now with only orga tents. -- [[User:Sebastius|Sebastius]] ([[User talk:Sebastius|talk]])<br />
* The Zuse 'aux' path over the dike was weird and not signed properly, I walked it at night and actually looked at the map on my phone where the spot should be to get down off the dike. The path seemed to be 'walk up the dike', 'don't see any hint on where the path should be going...', 'look it up', 'walk ~150m to the left without any clue if it is the correct way' 'suddenly find a path down again'. [[User:SA007|SA007]] ([[User talk:SA007|talk]])<br />
* For me, it was the first hacker camp and i like the terrain with the ways, water, lakes, woods etc. much more than other camps, where all tens be a on a very large field -- [[User:Foorschtbar|Foorschtbar]] ([[User talk:Foorschtbar|talk]])<br />
** It was the same for me and I'm also a big fan of the terrain. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])<br />
* The online map was great - would be nice to 'level it up' for next time: searching on the map, better interlinking with the wiki, export to OsmAnd in a way that allows searching as well, mobile usability, etc -- [[User:Raboof|Raboof]] ([[User talk:Raboof|talk]])<br />
* Having the online map was great, but I wish to have something more optimized for mobile devices for the next event. Performance was poor (in mobile Firefox at least) and I totally missed the options menu for showing villages. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])<br />
* The online map was great, but I worked a lot with printed maps which were all outdated. I dont expect daily printouts, but during the teardown, the maps were still at the level of Day 0, where much has already been moved. Due to the missing Village function, the webmap was not an alternative for me.<br />
* I always got lost at night because the signs weren't illuminated: I had no idea what field I was looking at/standing in. -- [[User:Bronsen|Bronsen]] ([[User talk:Bronsen|talk]])<br />
* map on mobile was a pain, perhaps to incompatible browser. And it would have been nice to link from a village's map inlay to the big map for easier orientation. -- [[User:Bronsen|Bronsen]] ([[User talk:Bronsen|talk]])<br />
* Please put up sign posts to show in which direction other fields are. -- [[User:Bronsen|Bronsen]] ([[User talk:Bronsen|talk]])<br />
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=== Ticket and Entrance ===<br />
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* Just works! Thank u -- [[User:Foorschtbar|Foorschtbar]] ([[User talk:Foorschtbar|talk]])<br />
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=== Toilets / Showers ===<br />
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* The maintenance crew for the toilets/showers did a great job, IMHO, those facilities where usually in very good shape. [[User:Alxndr|Alxndr]] ([[User talk:Alxndr|talk]])<br />
** +1 Agreement from my side -- [[User:Foorschtbar|Foorschtbar]] ([[User talk:Foorschtbar|talk]])<br />
** +1 All facilities were great, better than anything I'm used to -- [[User:j0chen|j0chen]] ([[User talk:j0chen|talk]])<br />
** +1 -- [[User:Bronsen|Bronsen]] ([[User talk:Bronsen|talk]])<br />
* Easily the best showers of any hacker camp I've been to. -- [[User:Q3k|Q3k]] ([[User talk:Q3k|talk]])<br />
* There should have been showers closer to the quiet camping area. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])<br />
* This has been my first hacker camp and I don't know the "hacker camp standards" on showers but I know a lot of music festivals. Compared to this, I must say the showering experience was simply great! I always had warm water and never had to queue and this is something I NEVER experienced on any festival yet - I'm used to waiting and then having cold water only. -- [[User:Cyb3rk41|Cyb3rk41]] ([[User talk:Cyb3rk41|talk]])<br />
* Having urinals in all places where normal toilets were available would greatly have contributed to the cleanliness of the toilets, I suppose. -- [[User:Cyb3rk41|Cyb3rk41]] ([[User talk:Cyb3rk41|talk]])<br />
** +1 Agreement from my side -- [[User:Foorschtbar|Foorschtbar]] ([[User talk:Foorschtbar|talk]])<br />
* The showers and toilets were GREAT. Well done everyone involved! Random suggestion: it was warm enough that I would actually have welcomed a (cheaper and more eco-friendly?) cold shower option. -- [[User:HerraBRE|HerraBRE]]<br />
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=== Villages ===<br />
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* It is useful that villages are distributed over the field beforehand, but I think it would be reasonable to expect villages to 'lay their claim' physically on day 0 at the latest, and from day 1 onwards have any remaining empty space welcome unaffiliated hackers. Forcing unaffiliated hackers onto designated "free for all" areas seems like an antipattern to me. It might be better to have 'dots' on the map rather than 'areas' for distributing the villages, to promote more flexibility? Perhaps we can make pretty 'poles' to put into the ground saying "Village X will be around here, and is a small/medium/big village" for orientation? -- [[User:Raboof|Raboof]] ([[User talk:Raboof|talk]])<br />
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=== Village tent/furniture rental (Moebelhaus) ===<br />
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* Our tent ended up being rotated by pi/2 compared to the map. This ended up totally throwing off what we were planning. We managed regardless, but it'd be great if in the future these maps would actually reflect reality :). -- [[User:Q3k|Q3k]] ([[User talk:Q3k|talk]])<br />
* Our tent was leaking, especially on the connector between modules. -- [[User:Q3k|Q3k]] ([[User talk:Q3k|talk]])<br />
* Don't see a spot for team tents. The Deco tent had a steel bar all around the bottom, making it really annoying with carts and a trip hazard. [[User:SA007|SA007]] ([[User talk:SA007|talk]])<br />
* Great service, very useful, good stuff. It would be nice to have some way to see which furniture was still 'in flight' and which had already been delivered, to catch missing/misdelivered furniture earlier -- [[User:Raboof|Raboof]] ([[User talk:Raboof|talk]])<br />
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=== Visitors ===<br />
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* Most visitors were excellent, as always. But in the next few years when thinking of the next event, we should probably talk about people who I guess must be new to this community, that are incredibly lax with the photo/filming policy, and behave like consumers instead of participants. --[[User:Juerd|Juerd]] ([[User talk:Juerd|talk]]) 20:49, 30 July 2022 (CEST)<br />
** agreed, many post in social media contain lots of peoples faces. I doubt that everyone was asked for permission.<br />
* I suspect that there were quite a lot of 'visitors' that didn't have a ticket on site walking around besides the scouts. [[User:SA007|SA007]] ([[User talk:SA007|talk]])<br />
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=== Volunteering / Angels ===<br />
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* Providing the angels with reusable water bottles was a very good idea. [[User:Alxndr|Alxndr]] ([[User talk:Alxndr|talk]])<br />
** Agreed -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])<br />
** +1 - I did use it a lot more than I expected at first, which was probably quite healthy to do -- [[User:SK|SK]] ([[User talk:SK|talk]])<br />
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==== Volunteering ====<br />
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* Put your feedback here :)<br />
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==== Angel Food ====<br />
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* My only complaint about Mecklenb[öoøu]rg(er)? is that I still don't know how to spell their name. The food is wonderful, the people are great too! --[[User:Juerd|Juerd]] ([[User talk:Juerd|talk]]) 20:51, 30 July 2022 (CEST)<br />
** +1 Agreement from my side. The only thing i missed was more sorts of tea. i buyed one box of peppermint tea bags, and they where empty in 1h which means the people like it (more)!? -- [[User:Foorschtbar|Foorschtbar]] ([[User talk:Foorschtbar|talk]])<br />
* The food was great, as always :) -- [[User:Pinoaffe|Pinoaffe]] ([[User talk:Pinoaffe|talk]])<br />
* The angel food was incredible. One of the highlights of this event. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])<br />
* Angel food was mostly great, except for the dinner on day 0 and some dishes otherwise. I'd also have appreciated some sort of meat at least every other day. - [[User:Noor|Noor]] ([[User talk:Noor|talk]])<br />
* As always very good. Only complaint lack of coffee mugs -- [[User:SK|SK]] ([[User talk:SK|talk]])<br />
** Ha! I think i did order them, but for some reason we didn't get them. Will make a note for next time. -- [[User:Sebastius|Sebastius]] ([[User talk:Sebastius|talk]])<br />
* The Angel food was to die for (sorry, couldn't resist), big thanks to the Mecklenb[öoøu]rg(er) crew for that. Didn't miss a meat option at all. -- [[User:Dany|Dany]] ([[User talk:Dany|talk]])<br />
* I want a Mecklenbørger for my next birthday. It was just so relaxing to know that the kitchen was completely meat-free. [[User:Moem|Moem]] ([[User talk:Moem|talk]]) 13:52, 31 July 2022 (CEST)<br />
* Great food just like at SHA, and nice to have no worries about things containing meat :) -- [[User:F0x|F0x]] ([[User talk:F0x|talk]])<br />
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==== Angel Kitchen ====<br />
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* Dishwashing was a lot more manageable than at previous events, thanks to the fact that there as more equipment available. -- [[User:Pinoaffe|Pinoaffe]] ([[User talk:Pinoaffe|talk]])<br />
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==== Angel desk and Angel system ====<br />
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* I'd really like it if the Engelsystem alert emails contained the actual update in the email content. I'd get spammed with email notifications and if I wanted to actually read the update, I'd have to click through and login to the Engelsystem. I just ended up leaving most of those updates unread throughout the day. - [[User:Noor|Noor]] ([[User talk:Noor|talk]])<br />
* Would be nice if the angelsystem was more usable on mobile -- [[User:Raboof|Raboof]] ([[User talk:Raboof|talk]])<br />
* The login sessions could have been a bit longer, I was constantly kicked out when I just wanted to look up something. -- [[User:j0chen|j0chen]] ([[User talk:j0chen|talk]])<br />
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==== Heaven ====<br />
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* I assume this was just some miscommunication etc, but the outdoor seating was removed too early, esp given covid situation. Otherwise all good. -- [[User:SK|SK]] ([[User talk:SK|talk]])<br />
** Yeah, it happened when i wasn't looking. We should have moved some tables outside. -- [[User:Sebastius|Sebastius]] ([[User talk:Sebastius|talk]])<br />
* The rules for core-team people (which were doing shifts outside the angel-system) for the heaven food should be made more clear. [[User:MrLinux|MrLinux]]<br />
** That was actually really clear. Your teamlead might not have communicated it to you. Red wristband for 'full time work during event' and vouchers obtainable by teamleads for those doing work outside of the angel system. -- [[User:Sebastius|Sebastius]] ([[User talk:Sebastius|talk]])<br />
* I dearly wish we would have had the time to decorate Heaven. Unfortunately, the loss of time during buildup (*shakes fist at the weather gods*) made that impossible. The tent itself was splendid, so spacious. [[User:Moem|Moem]] ([[User talk:Moem|talk]]) 13:54, 31 July 2022 (CEST)<br />
** Ah well, we did a little by ourselves with the parasols, and it was fine! Next time! -- [[User:Sebastius|Sebastius]] ([[User talk:Sebastius|talk]])<br />
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=== Warehouse ===<br />
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* Warehouse did a really great job. And I requested some really strange things. They even got Powercables and a Compressor for repairing the Flamethrowers. -- [[User:Justelex|Justelex]] ([[User talk:Justelex|talk]])<br />
** +1 Agreement from my side -- [[User:Foorschtbar|Foorschtbar]] ([[User talk:Foorschtbar|talk]])<br />
* Warehouse should maybe stock more small stepladders, I feel they were regularly all in use. Otherwise great supplies. [[User:SA007|SA007]] ([[User talk:SA007|talk]])<br />
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=== Waste / garbage / trash ===<br />
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* Slightly sad that trash was just split into “glass” and “everything else”. It'd be nice if we could at least recycle cardboard/paper! -- [[User:Q3k|Q3k]] ([[User talk:Q3k|talk]])<br />
** Agreed. Throwing everything into the "Other Waste" containers felt wrong. I understand this was on the waste company dropping the ball. Let's make sure this won't happen at the next event. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])<br />
** +1 Agreement from my side -- [[User:Foorschtbar|Foorschtbar]] ([[User talk:Foorschtbar|talk]])<br />
** That was the supplier dropping the ball in almost every category. It was in the plan (i co-wrote it) -- [[User:Sebastius|Sebastius]] ([[User talk:Sebastius|talk]])<br />
* an awful lot of mate etc bottles ended up in glass trash I think - the later-deployed bottle collection crates helped with that -- [[User:SK|SK]] ([[User talk:SK|talk]])<br />
** Yeah that happened last time too. We did plan for drop points. Not sure why the points weren't deployed earlier by team Bar. -- [[User:Sebastius|Sebastius]] ([[User talk:Sebastius|talk]])</div>Bronsenhttps://wiki.mch2022.org/index.php?title=Feedback&diff=18126Feedback2022-08-03T16:46:23Z<p>Bronsen: /* Decoration / design */ design is nice</p>
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=== General / overall ===<br />
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* So happy about the progressive pride and Antifa flag on the tower<br />
* Awesome event again, thanks to everyone who did their part to making it such -- [[User:SK|SK]] ([[User talk:SK|talk]])<br />
* It was fantastic and I am already stoked for the next one! -- [[User:Mosquito|Mosquito]] ([[User talk:Mosquito|talk]])<br />
** +1 Agreement from my side -- [[User:Foorschtbar|Foorschtbar]] ([[User talk:Foorschtbar|talk]])<br />
* I had a great camp overall, it was way more comfortable than I'd expected and things seemed to run smoothly. Being greeted by progressive pride flag on the Orga tent and tower instantly made me feel at ease. -- [[User:Dany|Dany]] ([[User talk:Dany|talk]])<br />
* would be a really good idea to water the ways more often, to prevent the dust. -- [[User:Justelex|Justelex]] ([[User talk:Justelex|talk]])<br />
** I'd be afraid this would quickly turn into mud, and I prefer dust to mud -- [[User:Pinoaffe|Pinoaffe]] ([[User talk:Pinoaffe|talk]])<br />
* It seems that there was so much time spend on nice to haves and to little on must haves resulting in quite a few people beeing totally burned out, I really wonder if its worth it organizing it again next year at this size with this much "consumers" visiting and maybe just going back to a smaller size is nicer, the big presence of sponsors also did not help with this feeling. -- [[User:Erik|Erik]] ([[User talk:Erik|talk]])<br />
** I am not quite sure where you saw those "consumers", especially since that would be quite a high entry price for a consumer (no daytickets and all). As far as I know we didn't finish selling all tickets so it was smaller then expected even. Although I do understand that you are longing for a smaller sized event (there are definitely a couple of those out there), I dearly hope that this event will even grow, since it is quite nice to have more and new people being interested and learning more. Sponsors I am unsure about, since I do know they were a big help in financing the whole event. With the point of being to burned out, that might be a problem of scheduling and volunteering, since there were around ~400 volunteers for the whole event (officially).<br />
** Don't worry, next year is not a thing, we do this every four years (Corona volente). As for the size of the event, for me it's just about right as it was this year, but opinions can and will always differ. If you like a cosy, small event that happens next year, Bornhack might be your thing.[[User:Moem|Moem]] ([[User talk:Moem|talk]])<br />
* Still amazed by the amount of creativity and community, so many people sharing what they love and are good at -- [[User:Raboof|Raboof]] ([[User talk:Raboof|talk]])<br />
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=== Arrival / departure / parking / train shuttle / luggage shuttle ===<br />
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* I was surprised twice that empty places in the field were apparently claimed. It was not clear to me that people had staked out places already on the wiki. This would seem to me one of The Most Important Things To Tell People: "whatever is on the wiki wins". Or perhaps abolish that, also fine by me, but in any case be very clear about it. I could also do with an AR app or so that shows me what people claimed :-) -- [[User:Ahu|Ahu]] ([[User talk:Ahu|talk]])<br />
** Next time we should plan some areas for 'those without village', i heard they were planned for this time but they might have gotten lost with the last minute rearranging due to the double booking. -- [[User:Sebastius|Sebastius]] ([[User talk:Sebastius|talk]])<br />
** (moved my feedback here to [[Feedback#Villages]]) -- [[User:Raboof|Raboof]] ([[User talk:Raboof|talk]])<br />
* Last day of the event felt kinda "lost" as people were beginning to tear things down from early on in the day well before the closing event. Was bit of a weird mood/feeling. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])<br />
** +1 Agreement from my side -- [[User:Foorschtbar|Foorschtbar]] ([[User talk:Foorschtbar|talk]])<br />
** While it is pretty normal for many people to already pack their things on the last day, the problem was certainly exacerbated by the fact that a roundmail on day 4 told all villages that their rented tents had to be "cleaned and empty" no later than 17:30 on day 5. That really gave villages no choice but to tear everything down during daytime on day 5. [[User:PoempelFox|PoempelFox]] ([[User talk:PoempelFox|talk]])<br />
* The parking area was way better then at Sha. A Regular people shuttle on the field with one or two 4+ seater golfcarts would be awesome for pregnant / people that can't walk long distances and so on. (Maybe also on call would be enough) -- [[User:Justelex|Justelex]] ([[User talk:Justelex|talk]])<br />
* "Shuttle goes when it goes" without any indication how long it will take is no option for people who have to catch their train/flight. We had many questions and complaints at the infodesk. A schedule would be great. -- [[User:Sirgoofy|sirgoofy]]<br />
* The shuttle stop changed during the event. It would be great to have a dedicated shuttle stop (with sign and timetable) during the event.<br />
* The payment system for the shuttle was too complicated. We had many questions about buying tickets at the infodesk. People tried to buy tickets in the online shop, but had problems getting their order paid. It would be better to make it free, or allow to pay in cash in the shuttle.<br />
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=== Badge ===<br />
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* Very well-made and polished badge, really surprised me with the effort put into it and its versatility! [[User:Vurpo|Vurpo]] ([[User talk:Vurpo|talk]]) 21:07, 30 July 2022 (CEST) <br />
** +1 Agreement from my side -- [[User:Foorschtbar|Foorschtbar]] ([[User talk:Foorschtbar|talk]])<br />
** +1 -- [[User:Bronsen|Bronsen]] ([[User talk:Bronsen|talk]])<br />
* The badge is really nice, but the price of MCH admission is already hindering people we'd like to reach. Perhaps do consider if we really need it. -- [[User:Ahu|Ahu]] ([[User talk:Ahu|talk]])<br />
* Awesome badge, I had a lot of fun tinkering with it during camp and always received helpful advice in the IRC channel. Please keep this project going! [[User:Alxndr|Alxndr]] ([[User talk:Alxndr|talk]])<br />
* The badge is amazing! However, I feel bad that my badges from previous events barely got used and this one is likely to suffer the same fate. For environmental/cost reasons, I kinda wish I could have opted out. Alternately, if there were a way to hand my badge in after the event and know it would be used for educational purposes later on, I would have given it up a heartbeat. -- [[User:HerraBRE|HerraBRE]]<br />
* Really love the badge, it inspired me to try micropython for the first time. Also I find it to be a piece of art, the PCB design is just great. On the other side, I'm also sceptical on the ecological aspects. I fear that many hackers will not use it anymore after the event or even never use it at all. Maybe it would be a good idea to offer badges as an option instead of giving everyone a piece. -- [[User:Cyb3rk41|Cyb3rk41]] ([[User talk:Cyb3rk41|talk]])<br />
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=== Bars and food court ===<br />
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* The capacity of the food-stands was quite low, which resulted in long waiting times. Not good with hungry kids. [[User:Fhp|Fhp]] ([[User talk:Fhp|talk]])<br />
* Agree with above: low capacity for the commercial food stands. They also didn't seem to grasp the concept of 'lunch'. I expected them to be up and running around 13.00, but most of them weren't, resulting in even longer lines at the places that were open earlier. -- [[User:Dany|Dany]] ([[User talk:Dany|talk]])<br />
* The food stands I've visited (Wok, Fries) had poor in-person advertising of everything that they were actually selling and how much it cost. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])<br />
** Agreed. Menu and pricing was often hard to read -- [[User:j0chen|j0chen]] ([[User talk:j0chen|talk]])<br />
* The Johny Cash Burger was great but mostly I fed on waffles by the awesome C3WOC <3. And of course one can rely on the Italian Hackers' Embassy for excellent pasta and Italian Grappa. By the way... is there a Spanish or French Embassy with similar services? Would put that on my checklist for the next camp. ;-) Oh and Angel Food was also great and healthy. Didn't miss meat there, eating more veg is better for the environment anyways. Thanks for the opportunity! Conclusion: Wide range, many choices, very good! -- [[User:Mosquito|Mosquito]] ([[User talk:Mosquito|talk]])<br />
* Frietsaus is not Mayo. [[User:MrLinux|MrLinux]]<br />
* The split layout of the bar/food area didn't really work. You couldn't see all in one go, so most people only visited one bar making a huge queue there. -- [[User:Sebastius|Sebastius]] ([[User talk:Sebastius|talk]])<br />
* Coffee vendor people had no idea what they were doing. Literally not knowing what a Latte Machiatto is while it's on their menu. -- [[User:Sebastius|Sebastius]] ([[User talk:Sebastius|talk]])<br />
* Next time get food vendors from several companies instead of using one single source. Yes it's more work to set up but this time the overall quality was not great (but acceptable). -- [[User:Sebastius|Sebastius]] ([[User talk:Sebastius|talk]])<br />
* Next time also get some vendors who do varied meals (every day a different choice, like the vegan place at CCCamp2019) at competitive pricing. -- [[User:Sebastius|Sebastius]] ([[User talk:Sebastius|talk]])<br />
** +1 I think some vendors (pizza) had very little choice, which has not changed. -- [[User:j0chen|j0chen]] ([[User talk:j0chen|talk]])<br />
* Next time allow Mecklenborger to also have a food-truck for the general public on camp. -- [[User:Sebastius|Sebastius]] ([[User talk:Sebastius|talk]]) +1<br />
* Overall nice. Might be good to promote villages that have good capacity for selling food as well somehow, to make it more 'integrated'? -- [[User:Raboof|Raboof]] ([[User talk:Raboof|talk]])<br />
** especially the C3WOC with their delicious waffles -- [[User:j0chen|j0chen]] ([[User talk:j0chen|talk]])<br />
* Unfortunately the bars were out of the larger plastic glasses very soon. -- [[User:Kokx|Kokx]] ([[User talk:Kokx|talk]])<br />
* the commercial food vendors I tried had good quality but rather high prices; so I was glad for the big kitchen in our village -- [[User:Bronsen|Bronsen]] ([[User talk:Bronsen|talk]])<br />
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=== Buildup and teardown ===<br />
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* As one of the persons who collected what felt like a kilometre of Flatterband at teardown, and removed a pile of pegs it was attached to, I would like to thank those buildup angels who didn't sink the pegs below ground level. You made my job a lot easier! :) [[User:Alxndr|Alxndr]] ([[User talk:Alxndr|talk]])<br />
** +1 Agreement from my side -- [[User:Foorschtbar|Foorschtbar]] ([[User talk:Foorschtbar|talk]])<br />
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=== COVID19 precautions ===<br />
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* Thanks for caring about ventilation. [https://grafana.mch2022.org/d/q9gZutJ7z/mch2022?orgId=1&viewPanel=30&from=1658492800367&to=1658853839068 CO2 meters] and open sides weren't in place during the opening talk, but this was fixed quickly after and I heard the security team kept an eye on the graphs. --[[User:Juerd|Juerd]] ([[User talk:Juerd|talk]]) 20:43, 30 July 2022 (CEST)<br />
* I liked the availability of masks and self tests for those who forgot to bring their own. I've heard about a few dozen people who got infected, but there were probably more. Thanks to the rapid tests and the heroes who chose to isolate, we may have averted a disastrous superspreading event. --[[User:Juerd|Juerd]] ([[User talk:Juerd|talk]]) 22:02, 30 July 2022 (CEST)<br />
** +1 Agreement from my side -- [[User:Foorschtbar|Foorschtbar]] ([[User talk:Foorschtbar|talk]])<br />
** Very much appreciated the easy availability of masks and rapid tests. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])<br />
* It would have been good to switch from recommended to required mask wearing, at least indoors, once it became clear that "personal responsibility" wasn't working out (even in this community, what a disappointment). [[User:Alxndr|Alxndr]] ([[User talk:Alxndr|talk]])<br />
** Agreeing on all points. Was also a bit disappointed. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])<br />
** +1 -- [[User:Bronsen|Bronsen]] ([[User talk:Bronsen|talk]])<br />
** Its quite hard to do that in a country where this is not a rule anymore.<br />
* It was good to request/require mask wearing in the food queue in Heaven. It would have been even better to do it from the very beginning. [[User:Moem|Moem]] ([[User talk:Moem|talk]]) 09:20, 31 July 2022 (CEST)<br />
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=== Content / talks / heralds / speakerdesk / AV / recordings ===<br />
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* In the end it worked pretty well, but perhaps do ponder having some "known good" presenter laptops/devices available. This has worked very well for other conferences. I used a 200 euro Chromebook with a throwaway google account. -- [[User:Ahu|Ahu]] ([[User talk:Ahu|talk]])<br />
* This is a matter of taste - if you light up the speakers real well, the audience can enjoy a well lighted speaker. But the speaker then often can't see the audience. And during my talks, I love to actually see the audience. This was better in 2017 (at least in Abacus and Battery). -- [[User:Ahu|Ahu]] ([[User talk:Ahu|talk]])<br />
* The speaker desk and the room to work is absolutely ACE. -- [[User:Ahu|Ahu]] ([[User talk:Ahu|talk]])<br />
* Very friendly and helpful people at the speakerdesk and also Heralds and other Angels. Dry running my laptop with the monitor at the Speaker Desk before the talk made me much calmer once I knew that worked. Thank you! -- [[User:Mosquito|Mosquito]] ([[User talk:Mosquito|talk]])<br />
* had the opposite experience: crablab forgot giving me a speaker badge and was not very hospitable "i'd prefer if you bought your mate at the bar" the single time I asked for one in order to work on my slides -- [[User:Fraxinas|Fraxinas]] ([[User talk:Fraxinas|talk]])<br />
* Generally felt welcome as a speaker, thanks! I didn't end up using the speaker area as it felt a bit like a 'fish tank' being so exposed to the main road (but that might be a personal hang-up ;) ) -- [[User:Raboof|Raboof]] ([[User talk:Raboof|talk]])<br />
* It would have been nice to have a more 'integrated' programme containing both the 'curated' content and the 'self-organized' sessions. It was nice that some self-organized sessions were added to https://program.mch2022.org but it'd be even nicer to have that 'direct' somehow -- [[User:Raboof|Raboof]] ([[User talk:Raboof|talk]])<br />
* It would have been nice to have an officially-recommended app - Giggity worked great on Android, just promoting that more might have been a good start -- [[User:Raboof|Raboof]] ([[User talk:Raboof|talk]])<br />
* It would be nice to cross-link the schedule with the livestreams/recordings better -- [[User:Raboof|Raboof]] ([[User talk:Raboof|talk]])<br />
* Several of the workshop presenters said they would make their presentations available, but the majority is unfindable. I did understand a presentation can be added to the schedule, but it is hard to spot that this has actually been done. Maybe an independent index with such material can be made and material actively requested? -- [[User:M10|M10]] ([[User talk:M10|talk]])<br />
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=== CTF ===<br />
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* The CTF as a whole was excellent. Really interesting challenges on multiple categories and I still think this is the best CTF I have attended. Even the easy challenges had nice twists to them, no basic "'or 1=1;-- = flag" here. -- [[User:Onja|Onja]]<br />
* Both the competitors and the organizers I chatted with were very nice and passionate. Organizers gave good hints without giving too much away on couple of the challenges when we were stuck. -- [[User:Onja|Onja]]<br />
* There were plenty of beverages to keep us going, hard part was to remember to eat something once in a while. <br />
* Only complaint I have is about the ctf area: the outside tent was mostly more trouble than it was worth with wind trying to blow the whole tent away and the inside got crowded pretty fast. DT lounge area was nice but I'm not 1337 h4x0r enough to sit there 4 days in a row, my back will kill me. :D -- [[User:Onja|Onja]]<br />
* Looking forward to reading challenge writeups (I still want to hear the creators thoughts on Coinflip even though we eventually managed to solve it). Also I agree that Coinflip was one of the tougher challenges, should have been 200 pts (whine, whine). -- [[User:Onja|Onja]]<br />
* Summary: We will definitely be back next time! -- [[User:Onja|Onja]]<br />
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=== Decoration / design ===<br />
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* Well done all around -- [[User:SK|SK]] ([[User talk:SK|talk]]) 01:07, 31 July 2022 (CEST)<br />
* The design was so colorful and well thought out, it gave team Deco a lot to work with. Great job! [[User:Moem|Moem]] ([[User talk:Moem|talk]]) 09:22, 31 July 2022 (CEST) <br />
** +1 Agreement from my side -- [[User:Foorschtbar|Foorschtbar]] ([[User talk:Foorschtbar|talk]])<br />
** I really like the design, the whole theme. good job! -- [[User:Bronsen|Bronsen]] ([[User talk:Bronsen|talk]])<br />
* The deco was really cool, I especially liked the UV-reactive strings that gave the illusion of lasers and the super cute felt plants in the Silent Lounge. -- [[User:Dany|Dany]] ([[User talk:Dany|talk]])<br />
* Both design and deco were amazing! Also great that it was available beforehand, including the 'generator', so villages etc could use it in their preparations as well -- [[User:Raboof|Raboof]] ([[User talk:Raboof|talk]])<br />
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=== Family / kids ===<br />
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* Great vibe at the zone \o/<br />
* Maybe one or two hot water faucets would be useful (for baby care, for dishwashing, etc)<br />
* Sponsors like to party, maybe keep that in mind when planning in the noise gradient<br />
* As someone without kids I love that people feel welcome to bring theirs, and the atmosphere that comes with that. Accidentally ran into the "balloon folding (for adults)" workshop which was hilarious. Great fun. -- [[User:Raboof|Raboof]] ([[User talk:Raboof|talk]])<br />
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=== Finance / coins / payments ===<br />
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* Payment by card worked mostly well, other than the supermarket not accepting international cards. My main issue was that the payment system was not well enough explained before the actual event! The blog post and wiki page were pretty long and still left me confused about what the actual payment system on the field was going to end up being. Even a simple "TL;DR we will use regular international payment cards with chip/contactless" would have helped me. [[User:Vurpo|Vurpo]] ([[User talk:Vurpo|talk]]) 21:04, 30 July 2022 (CEST)<br />
* I asked at several bars and the food court where I could get the prepaid card for the MCH payment system, but nobody knew, so I ended up using my regular payment card. [[User:Alxndr|Alxndr]] ([[User talk:Alxndr|talk]]<br />
** The MCH payment system only was operational from day 1 (with paper QR codes) and the ability to print them on plastic cards was added later - [[User:Noor|Noor]]<br />
** yeah communication could have been better, the main problem was that most of it was arranged by one single person (never a good idea). Next time we need to find more people who work on the financial/tickets stuff. <br />
* I liked the idea of the cashless QR-code, especially the later upgrade to a "hard card" rather than just a stub of thermal paper. Avoids using the big payment providers and frees one of having to carry around cash. However I would've loved seeing more universal acceptance around the event (for example at the supermarket). -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])<br />
** +1 Agreement from my side. I missed also the acceptance at the Merch stand -- [[User:Foorschtbar|Foorschtbar]] ([[User talk:Foorschtbar|talk]])<br />
* As a foreigner visiting, I was VERY happy that I could use my card to tap and pay almost everywhere. Get the supermarket on board next time and you get a perfect score from me! The QR code system also worked quite well (I took payment at the bar a few times). I was impressed, well done. - [[User:HerraBRE|HerraBRE]]<br />
* Payment with payment cards in combination with PIN code failed. (only contactless worked, until the 50 euro weekly limit was reached.) [[User:MrLinux|MrLinux]]<br />
* The payment system is too complex and impractical for such an event. At the infodesk there were many questions and complaints on the payment system. People were confused about whether their bank card is accepted or wanted to buy QR-codes with their cards. There were many complaints about the complexity of the payment system. Normally, payment on such events is straightforward (give some money, get a drink). I guess this complicated system also restrained people from buying drinks (just a gut feeling from the number of bottles collected on the field by Team BOC). There were also many people complaining that they could not get unused money from the QR codes (because they had to leave early or came too late). -- [[User:Sirgoofy|sirgoofy]]<br />
* The payment system encouraged people not to bring cash, with is a huge issue for villages -- [[User:Sirgoofy|sirgoofy]]<br />
** Many villages rely on donations to cover costs, e.g., for food or parts for workshops, like the Italian Embassy, Millyways, Team Badge, c3woc (waffles), Chaos Post. Donations in cash are straightforward and understandable. Handling cashless donations is complicated (especially for people donating), expensive (i.e., fees), and requires bank accounts (which many villages don't have as they're just a bunch of people and no legal instance).<br />
** Cashless donations would be handy, though. Many international visitors don't have cash.<br />
** It would be great if people could donate using the QR code system (and buy QR codes cashless) -- [[User:Sirgoofy|sirgoofy]]<br />
* The MCH Payment system was a great benefit. Also that a plastic card could be created that was clearly more robust than the QR code on thermal paper.... Unfortunately, the machine took a long time to accept a bill. In addition, it would be nice to be able to recharge cards so that you can get through the camp with a printed card without directly charging one huge amount. -- [[User:j0chen|j0chen]] ([[User talk:j0chen|talk]])<br />
* An ATM would be great next time. My card was declined most of the time, so I reliant on my cash (and an ATM outside of camp) -- [[User:j0chen|j0chen]] ([[User talk:j0chen|talk]])<br />
** Or a possibility to get some cash at a desk or so? Cash needed to be handled anyway for the QR codes -- [[User:Sirgoofy|sirgoofy]]<br />
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=== Harbour / Ferry ===<br />
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* Loved the ferry service not as much as a shuttle to the other side of the water way, but as a way to enjoy some quiet time and a light breeze to (mentally) recharge away from the event. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])<br />
* The Ferry Service was great, and especially the operating hours where great. -- [[User:Justelex|Justelex]] ([[User talk:Justelex|talk]]) +1<br />
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=== Information / infodesk / wiki ===<br />
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* The infodesk should've been open for longer/as long as possible. (background: I've sat on the NOC helpdesk a bunch of times after the last infodesk angles were gone and dealt with quite a few people that were originally looking for the helpdesk; also being able to respond to infodesk calls for longer). -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])<br />
* Would be nice if the wiki was more usable on mobile -- [[User:Raboof|Raboof]] ([[User talk:Raboof|talk]])<br />
* The infodesk should be open earlier, at least starting day 0. It was unfortunate that the furniture was late (w/o desk no infodesk) -- [[User:Sirgoofy|sirgoofy]]<br />
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=== Lounges ===<br />
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* Silent lounge was very well done. Nicely decorated and people behaving very considerate (i.e. really tried to be silent). No wonder that it was popular to the point where it could've used more pillows. I was worried that people would start camping inside the lounge (similar things happen at congress for example), but that didn't turn out to be true. I've seen plenty of people taking a nap away from the noise of the event, but thankfully nobody started living inside the lounge. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])<br />
* Besides the silent lounge, I wish there were more places for people, especially for those without a village, to relax in the shade near an Ethernet port and power outlet. In the harbour there was the wood table with tent roof and the bar with a couple of seats, but both away from power outlets. Otherwise, besides the couple of deckchairs, we mostly hard hard wooden benches near the food court without shade (and no power sockets). -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])<br />
** +1 agreed, a few dedicated shaded outdoor spots would've been nice -- [[User:SK|SK]] ([[User talk:SK|talk]])<br />
** +1 I was going to write the same. Seating on the western part of the food court was hardly used because there was no shadow. Everyone was cramped beneath the roof tent in front of the east bar. On previous events there were more public spaces with roofing, sofas, bean bags, power and network. Nice place with hammocks at the speaker desk but also now shadow. Roof tents would also provide shelter in case of rain (as experienced on previous camps).<br />
** +1 I'd enjoy that as well! Perhaps with some way to announce what you're working on to encourage spontaneous conversations? Not sure how that would work though -- [[User:Raboof|Raboof]] ([[User talk:Raboof|talk]])<br />
** +1 A few shady sitting areas for hackers without Village; with sockets and ethernet sockets would have been very pleasant especially in the sunny and warm weather. -- [[User:j0chen|j0chen]] ([[User talk:j0chen|talk]])<br />
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=== Merchandise ===<br />
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* The designs look great, I'm a fan of the asymmetry and the patterned sleeves. Not being able to go a size up or down from what you ordered online was kind of disappointing. Not a major issue for myself but I know of several people who were sad about this. The [[merch exchange]] is not a great solution, but better than nothing. --[[User:Juerd|Juerd]] ([[User talk:Juerd|talk]]) 20:54, 30 July 2022 (CEST)<br />
** That mostly was the result of not receiving as many units as we ordered, sadly. -- [[User:Sebastius|Sebastius]] ([[User talk:Sebastius|talk]])<br />
* Merch was great: Awesome design and high quality. Preodering saved me from having to stay in a (humongous) line in the heat. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])<br />
* I absolutely love the hexagonal patterns and diagrams, but the amount of purple/pink was enough to keep me from buying more than a hat (that, and sizes being too big for me). - [[User:Noor|Noor]] ([[User talk:Noor|talk]])<br />
* Nice merch, despite at first not being a fan of the design. Option to preorder is great. -- [[User:SK|SK]] ([[User talk:SK|talk]])<br />
* OK so maybe I'm a dinosaur, but if I'd known that "fitted" was inclusive for "ladies", I wouldn't have ordered a way-too-small T-shirt. Not a complaint really, but maybe that could have been explained better? Help us old farts get with the program! :-D<br />
** 'Fitted' does not mean 'ladies', it means snug and cut to cling to the body, not baggy and loose. I know plenty of gentlemen who prefer that style. [[User:Moem|Moem]] ([[User talk:Moem|talk]])<br />
* Love the zipper design and quality, will be one of my favourite pieces from now on :) Preorder and pickup was easy and a great option to avoid long queues at the merch booth. -- [[User:Cyb3rk41|Cyb3rk41]] ([[User talk:Cyb3rk41|talk]])<br />
* I love how the shirts and hoodies look, but I'm worried about how well they will hold up when being washed. The rainbow looks like it will fall off just like the yellow SHA robot did. You hardly see the SHA shirts being worn anymore... but OHM and even HAR shirts, yes. [[User:Moem|Moem]] ([[User talk:Moem|talk]])<br />
** +1 love the looks but concerned about the large areas (beam/rainbow) as well - those already seemed to have faded a bit from being folded up in a damp tent... -- [[User:Raboof|Raboof]] ([[User talk:Raboof|talk]])<br />
* Loved that there were angel shirts in a different color than black again ;) -- [[User:Raboof|Raboof]] ([[User talk:Raboof|talk]])<br />
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=== Miscellaneous ===<br />
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* Swan family was pretty relaxed with all the people and activity, camping out in the middle of the terrain. - [[User:Noor|Noor]] ([[User talk:Noor|talk]]<br />
* It would be nice to have some angel-staffed dishwashing station (with manual rinse and commercial dishwashers) somewhere, to help with saving water and time, and to increase general hygiene (we all know how camp dish cleanliness standards go...) -- [[User:Q3k|Q3k]] ([[User talk:Q3k|talk]])<br />
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=== Music/laser stage / silent disco / Symphony of Fire ===<br />
* The music/laser stage was not a great fit for the event. It drained the villages and talk tents, making those less interesting. Also the whole separate 'party area' does not work for me. I would not miss it if we didn't have one next time. -- [[User:Sebastius|Sebastius]] ([[User talk:Sebastius|talk]])<br />
* No clue why we had a music stage, but if we for some reason must have one, why not have hacker-music on it (e.g. robotic instruments, chiptunes, etc), it was mostly filled with mediocre covers of songs unrelated to the event entirely. [[User:SA007|SA007]] ([[User talk:SA007|talk]])<br />
* Party area was WAY too spacious for the amount of people using it. -- [[User:Sebastius|Sebastius]] ([[User talk:Sebastius|talk]])<br />
* Loved the silent disco setup though. Also really loved it being used at night to allow the byte battle thingie to take place. -- [[User:Sebastius|Sebastius]] ([[User talk:Sebastius|talk]])<br />
* Having hacker built flame throwers which normally look awesome mounted on a commercial stage actually takes away the home-built hacker vibe of those flame throwers. -- [[User:Sebastius|Sebastius]] ([[User talk:Sebastius|talk]])<br />
* Music stage with the flamethrowers, and Symphony of Fire were awesome. - [[User:Noor|Noor]] ([[User talk:Noor|talk]])<br />
* Very well done. Silent disco was a neat solution to the inherent noise conflicts. What exactly is going on could have been a bit more detailed in the schedule, some people were sad they missed interesting things because they didn't realize who was playing. -- [[User:SK|SK]] ([[User talk:SK|talk]])<br />
* For me, the music stage did not really add anything that I would miss if it dit not happen again on a next event. Symphony of Fire was indeed awesome, I wonder if they could have played on a raised podium so more people could have seen what was happening. [[User:Moem|Moem]] ([[User talk:Moem|talk]]) 09:27, 31 July 2022 (CEST)<br />
** +1 -- [[User:Fraxinas|Fraxinas]] ([[User talk:Fraxinas|talk]])<br />
** +1 Agreement from my side -- [[User:Foorschtbar|Foorschtbar]] ([[User talk:Foorschtbar|talk]])<br />
** +1 Symphony of Fire was *the* main act at the stages, a raised podium or bigscreen would have been great that more people can see something. Especially the crowding is perhaps a bit critical with regard to the COVID measures. -- [[User:j0chen|j0chen]] ([[User talk:j0chen|talk]])<br />
* Silent disco was so much fun! More, later, longer please! Seems like a great solution for us party animals who don't want calm after 2am. - [[User:HerraBRE|HerraBRE]]<br />
* Music stage was to loud, to horrible and went on for way to long it and nowhere on the terrain you did not hear it, making sleeping almost impossible for people who actually need proper sleep (yes quiet camping was also to loud). -- [[User:Erik|Erik]] ([[User talk:Erik|talk]])<br />
* Silent disco was a great idea. But for the next time, I'd appreciate it if it wasn't just announced in advance, but if there was also information about the technology, e.g. where/if I can get suitable headphones myself or on which frequencies it runs, so that I can build a receiver myself. As far as I have heard, it was probably possible to receive the radio on the entire camp? -- [[User:j0chen|j0chen]] ([[User talk:j0chen|talk]])<br />
* three points<br />
# The main stage did not have good sound, despite the the row of massive loudspeakers in front. <br />
# Flames were fantastic.<br />
# Big screen was good. -- [[User:Bronsen|Bronsen]] ([[User talk:Bronsen|talk]])<br />
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=== NOC / Network ===<br />
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* My SFP+ module got to stay in a datenklo. A++++ would camp again. -- [[User:Q3k|Q3k]] ([[User talk:Q3k|talk]])<br />
* Datenklos were sorely missing some CYBER(tm) reflective foil wrapping -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])<br />
** There was a plan for nice aluminium foil/plated cardboard skins with the field name and other decorations on it, but the weather during buildup threw a spanner into that idea... [[User:SA007|SA007]] ([[User talk:SA007|talk]])<br />
** +1 Agreement from my side -- [[User:Foorschtbar|Foorschtbar]] ([[User talk:Foorschtbar|talk]])<br />
* Some system for releasing cables from the datenklo switches at teardown would help. I couldn't recover my uplink cable and then later realised I left without it. Maybe give a key to a nearby village person that would release cables that have no more active link on a regular basis? -- [[User:M10|M10]] ([[User talk:M10|talk]])<br />
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=== Power ===<br />
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* Thank you very much for not cutting power off after the closing event as at SHA. -- [[User:Malaclypse|Malaclypse]] ([[User talk:Malaclypse|talk]])<br />
** +1 Agreement from my side -- [[User:Foorschtbar|Foorschtbar]] ([[User talk:Foorschtbar|talk]])<br />
* I was really happy to have power available until the very end on wednesday! Thanks for that! -- [[User:Cyb3rk41|Cyb3rk41]] ([[User talk:Cyb3rk41|talk]])<br />
** Agreed. Having power for as long as possible was great. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])<br />
* The priklichtjes (festoon lights on poles) were a very welcome addition by Team:Power. [[User:Moem|Moem]] ([[User talk:Moem|talk]])<br />
** They helped me greatly in navigating the terrain in the dark, indicating where the paths where between the villages. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])<br />
*** +1 very nice for indicating paths between tents and nature. -- [[User:j0chen|j0chen]] ([[User talk:j0chen|talk]])<br />
* Very impressed with the PowerTeam, kudos! And we learned an important lesson (the hard way) that long PVC cables lying in wet grass will suck up moisture and trip the 'aardlek' (RCD?). This could be written a lot better in the power wiki page so people can prepare better. Now the neoprene cables are only recommended as the better quality, but not that PVC has negative effects, like taking out two villages for a few hours. -- [[User:M10|M10]] ([[User talk:M10|talk]])<br />
:* In general, the cable should be rated for outdoor usage. PVC cables for outdoor use do exist (and are really nice to use because they're more flexible, especially when it's cold), so a simple list of materials doesn't work. (In case you're interested: harmonized cable types have the material encoded in the type, H05RR-F for example means H = harmonized, 05 = 300V, R = rubber inner insulation, R = rubber outer insulation, F = fine stranded. Neoprene is usually identified as RN, indoor PVC as VV, outdoor PVC as V3V3 (e.g. H05V3V3-F). Not sure if listing all outdoor capable material codes would work; just look for "rated for outdoor use"; the IP44 schuko plug with the ring is a good proxy/heuristic for that.) Oh, and by the way, neoprene can also suck up moisture over time! It's just usually slow enough :) --[[User:Juerd|Juerd]] ([[User talk:Juerd|talk]])<br />
* Basically everything worked, I could imagine that a distribution of the generators across the camp is perhaps better. At the CCCamp 2019, each larger area had its own generator, so iirc there was never a full blackout. Important systems then simply get two generators (redundancy!). -- [[User:j0chen|j0chen]] ([[User talk:j0chen|talk]])<br />
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=== Off-Site Logistics ===<br />
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* Off-site logistics was a mess, during buildup the schedule was changed drastically without communication about it, we ended up waiting 9 hours for a truck that was smaller than promised requiring a second trip. Teardown I drove the van myself. [[User:SA007|SA007]] ([[User talk:SA007|talk]])<br />
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=== On-Site Logistics ===<br />
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* Gators are too loud, you can't hear each other inside a tent if they drive by. [[User:SA007|SA007]] ([[User talk:SA007|talk]])<br />
** IIRC electric vehicles were unavaible from the local rental companies, unfortunately [[User:Flimpie|Flimpie]] ([[User talk:Flimpie|talk]]) 22:38, 1 August 2022 (CEST)<br />
** +1 The gators were also so loud that you could barely understand/use the radio when you were sitting in it -- [[User:j0chen|j0chen]] ([[User talk:j0chen|talk]])<br />
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=== Other music/noise (outside the official party area) ===<br />
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* Please NEVER allow Holoplot to be on the field ever again. And if that is impossible to prevent, at least NOT do a late night party with that system. The volume OUTSIDE the tent was horrifying. -- [[User:Sebastius|Sebastius]] ([[User talk:Sebastius|talk]])<br />
* Bit torn on this one. It is a party event, but there was way too much loud music post 2 AM. Some of us do need sleep. I know, weak etc. I don't recall seeing a clear policy on what is acceptable, might be behind people feeling ok cranking up the volume after midnight. -- [[User:Ahu|Ahu]] ([[User talk:Ahu|talk]])<br />
* The Retro Arcade area was an absolute nuisance at night. They were blasting the neighbouring villages with shitty music and drunken yelling until 2 or 3 am pretty much every day. I can think of several words for this kind of behaviour, and none of them rhyme with "excellent". [[User:Alxndr|Alxndr]] ([[User talk:Alxndr|talk]])<br />
** +1 They also played the same 7 shitty songs each night. Seemed like most of the participants were corporates (BlueHatHacker, etc.). The whole thing felt pretty unfit for MCH. -- [[User:JT|JT]] ([[User talk:JT|talk]])<br />
* It seems like while the official policy was 'no noise after 1AM', it wasn't actively enforced for most cases - and I think that enabled people to also treat it a bit more like a hint rather than a rule? Perhaps for future events we should have numerical 'loudness' scores for all fields, forming a gradient, with a higher score letting people be louder and party later, and actually enforce that. That way loud people can camp in loud villages, while those who need peace and quiet can camp in quiet villages. -- [[User:Q3k|Q3k]] ([[User talk:Q3k|talk]])<br />
** I think this was sort-of implemented based on village input, but the usual event fields are just a bit too small for that to work reliably -- [[User:SK|SK]] ([[User talk:SK|talk]])<br />
* This was both badly communicated (FAQ said "until midnight", apparently the actual rule was from 1 am?) and not usefully enforced. Arcade area right next to family village especially apparently could do whatever they wanted. This makes awesome ideas like silent disco for the "official" music stage sadly quite moot. -- [[User:SK|SK]] ([[User talk:SK|talk]])<br />
* second-hand, but if security (i.e. the contact listed for noise complaints on the front page of this wiki!) really responded to calls about this with "don't call us unless there's an actual emergency" some rules seriously need to be re-established -- [[User:SK|SK]] ([[User talk:SK|talk]])<br />
* at the same time small villages further into the "louder sector" (i.e. away from family/silent camping) were told off for having any music on low volume -- [[User:SK|SK]] ([[User talk:SK|talk]])<br />
* Our village was placed in a party area. That was unfortunate. Next time I'll camp in a quiet are even if that means being far away from the village I am interested in. Geraffel adhered to the 1am quiet policy (yay!) but others didn't. They went on till after 4.30 and didn't honor complaints. -- [[User:Mosquito|Mosquito]] ([[User talk:Mosquito|talk]])<br />
* I was sad there was no place to party and dance after 2am. I agree people who want quiet should be able to enjoy quiet, but in a perfect camp there would be room for both. -- [[User:HerraBRE|HerraBRE]]<br />
* The distribution of the Villages and party zones was perhaps not quite ideal, felt the Family Zone (which had asked for quiet) was in the middle of the Party Zone (based on the noise / music) -- [[User:j0chen|j0chen]] ([[User talk:j0chen|talk]])<br />
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=== POC / Dect / Fieldphones ===<br />
* I couldn't find advance information as to when the phone / DECT network would be shut off on the wiki, having such information would be useful (but I may just have been looking in the wrong place) -- [[User:Pinoaffe|Pinoaffe]] ([[User talk:Pinoaffe|talk]])<br />
* DECT coverage was great around the whole camp area. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])<br />
** +1 Agreement from my side -- [[User:Foorschtbar|Foorschtbar]] ([[User talk:Foorschtbar|talk]])<br />
* DECT self-registration worked great (have been used to it for a while now from congress). -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])<br />
** +1 Agreement from my side -- [[User:Foorschtbar|Foorschtbar]] ([[User talk:Foorschtbar|talk]])<br />
* DECT was switched off too early. DECT is mandatory for teardown, especially as the gsm coverage is quite bad -- [[User:Sirgoofy|sirgoofy]]<br />
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=== Parcel deliveries ===<br />
* Many people that ordered things to the field were (seemingly) unaware of how parcel deliveries were supposed to work. This caused unnecessary overhead. -- [[User:Pinoaffe|Pinoaffe]] ([[User talk:Pinoaffe|talk]])<br />
* Collaborating with C3Post may be worthwhile for a next event, though they may not want to deal with large packages. -- [[User:Pinoaffe|Pinoaffe]] ([[User talk:Pinoaffe|talk]])<br />
** Delivering anything of real value sounds like a bad idea (on big events). Besides being way more effort than postcards, parcels (pending delivery) would require (secure-ish) storage space while not out for relivery or if the first delivery attempt failed. We'd also need extra couriers and not hand deliveries out to random passing-by hackers, which also leaks the info on the parcel (such as tracking numbers) to said random hackers. Also some postcards just got lost/didn't get delivered, which would be a real issue with parcels. -- [[User:Trilader|Trilader]] ([[User talk:Trilader|talk]])<br />
* Parcel deliveries had a procedure outlined at [[Parcel deliveries]] to keep them manageable, but somehow people still sent packages to the terrain without following the procedure, maybe something to add to the info booklet/advertise more?<br />
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=== Press / Media coverage ===<br />
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* Put your feedback here :)<br />
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=== Productiehuis / C3VOC ===<br />
* MOST EXCELLENT WORK!! -- [[User:Ahu|Ahu]] ([[User talk:Ahu|talk]])<br />
* The video-quality of the (few) talks I watched online was good, and I saw some nice fade effects. [[User:Fhp|Fhp]] ([[User talk:Fhp|talk]])<br />
* The hard cutoff of the intro tune annoys me every time. [[User:Fhp|Fhp]] ([[User talk:Fhp|talk]])<br />
* Kudos to the C3VOC! That was awesome! Video quality was excellent and the fact that each talk appeared in the C3 media archive only a couple of hours later impressed me very much. That is better service than many (or most?) commercial providers deliver. You people are fantastic! -- [[User:Mosquito|Mosquito]] ([[User talk:Mosquito|talk]])<br />
* Nothing short of amazing -- [[User:Raboof|Raboof]] ([[User talk:Raboof|talk]])<br />
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=== Projectleiding ===<br />
* Thank you for your work. -- [[User:Justelex|Justelex]] ([[User talk:Justelex|talk]])<br />
** +1 Agreement from my side -- [[User:Foorschtbar|Foorschtbar]] ([[User talk:Foorschtbar|talk]])<br />
** ++ -- [[User:M10|M10]] ([[User talk:M10|talk]])<br />
* <3 -- [[User:Raboof|Raboof]] ([[User talk:Raboof|talk]])<br />
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=== ROC ===<br />
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* Wheeze and his team did a excellent job! <br />
* Good work by the warehouse team for doing the battery swaps, saved a lot of time! [[User:MrLinux|MrLinux]]<br />
* Nice we had the HAM radio repeater! [[User:MrLinux|MrLinux]]<br />
* The ROC team lacked a bit on publicity, improvement for 2025! [[User:MrLinux|MrLinux]]<br />
* A QSL-wall could be an idea for 2025! [[User:MrLinux|MrLinux]]<br />
* We missed the VERON at the event [[User:MrLinux|MrLinux]]<br />
* Excellent Job. A Laminated card with "Radio rules" and the Channel distribution would be a nice thing to be handed out next time. -- [[User:Justelex|Justelex]] ([[User talk:Justelex|talk]])<br />
** Would definitely be good, just like enforcing the language on the radio, e.g. in a channel that was supposed to be explicitly in English, Dutch was often spoken anyway -- [[User:j0chen|j0chen]] ([[User talk:j0chen|talk]])<br />
* Next time after the DECT comes up, require as many radios as you can to be returned, forcing teams to use dect. Way better audio, point to point connections and people actually being reachable. -- [[User:Sebastius|Sebastius]] ([[User talk:Sebastius|talk]])<br />
* The audio quality sucked. Problem with the chosen technology, i know. Most conversations were completely unintelligible. -- [[User:Sebastius|Sebastius]] ([[User talk:Sebastius|talk]])<br />
* Teach people how to use the radio properly. I still don't know which name goes first etc. -- [[User:Sebastius|Sebastius]] ([[User talk:Sebastius|talk]])<br />
* Reconsider channel system. It happened too often that people were calling/listening on the wrong channel. [[User:Flimpie|Flimpie]] ([[User talk:Flimpie|talk]]) 22:38, 1 August 2022 (CEST)<br />
* Educate people on radio etiquette and how to properly talk into a radio. Yelling/speaking too quietly/having too much BG noise, combined with DMR compression creates inaudible speech [[User:Flimpie|Flimpie]] ([[User talk:Flimpie|talk]]) 22:38, 1 August 2022 (CEST)<br />
* Ensuring that the correct language is spoken. I heard a lot of Dutch during some security angelshifts, even though the channel was supposed to be in English. -- [[User:j0chen|j0chen]] ([[User talk:j0chen|talk]])<br />
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=== Safety / stewards / first aid / Fire Marshalls ===<br />
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* Phone numbers or other contact information was hard to find at the beginning of the event, added to the wiki later. --[[User:Juerd|Juerd]] ([[User talk:Juerd|talk]]) 20:47, 30 July 2022 (CEST)<br />
* There were no backup mobile phone numbers (at least none published) for reaching the safety teams in case of infrastructure outage, and they were unreachable when the network was down. --[[User:Juerd|Juerd]] ([[User talk:Juerd|talk]]) 20:47, 30 July 2022 (CEST)<br />
* Security: Bike path was open to all, so technically anyone could get on the terrain without a ticket. Which meant at least a few unwelcome visitors. - [[User:Noor|Noor]] ([[User talk:Noor|talk]])<br />
* I was surprised that the fire extinguishers were the first things being collected from our village (Geraffel) during teardown. At this time we still had a lot of people staying and as murphy wills, the fat bowl of our our barbecue catched fire afterwards. Fortunately nothing bad happened but my expectation would be to have extinguishers available until rented tents are torn down / all visitors are gone. At lease in large villages like ours. -- [[User:Cyb3rk41|Cyb3rk41]] ([[User talk:Cyb3rk41|talk]])<br />
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=== Shuttle services (train station, and luggage on site) ===<br />
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* Shuttle drop-off point on field should have been marked somewhere on the maps or wiki, during build-up. I spent forever asking around trying to find the drop-off point, only to find it at heaven. - [[User:Noor|Noor]] ([[User talk:Noor|talk]])<br />
* Shuttle was efficient and worked well when I used it -- [[User:SK|SK]] ([[User talk:SK|talk]])<br />
* Shuttle ticket was a bit last-minute and unclear (i.e. afaik never produced an actual "ticket", which lead to questions - and in the end was more like a donation than a strictly-required ticket) -- [[User:SK|SK]] ([[User talk:SK|talk]])<br />
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=== Supermarket ===<br />
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* The supermarket was a really valuable addition to the event, and probably saved lots of fuel and time for people. I found the prices acceptable, and the choice of products was surprisingly broad! --[[User:Juerd|Juerd]] ([[User talk:Juerd|talk]]) 20:47, 30 July 2022 (CEST)<br />
** +1 Agreement from my side -- [[User:Foorschtbar|Foorschtbar]] ([[User talk:Foorschtbar|talk]])<br />
* Supermarket was a great thing and I hope we'll have it at the next event. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])<br />
* Supermarket was wonderful, it felt like being back in civilization again and I could just zip inside to get a drink or breakfast for the next morning. - [[User:Noor|Noor]] ([[User talk:Noor|talk]])<br />
* was very useful to have and surprisingly well-stocked (i.e. not just packaged junk food). Next time they'll know to bring less soft-drinks and more Ethernet/USB/... cables ;) -- [[User:SK|SK]] ([[User talk:SK|talk]])<br />
* Guests from abroad struggled to make use of the supermarket, since it didn't accept foreign cards and there was no ATM on site. -- [[User:HerraBRE|HerraBRE]]<br />
* The supermarket was a really good idea, however my card was not accepted so I was very dependent on cash - Very limited without an ATM on camp. -- [[User:j0chen|j0chen]] ([[User talk:j0chen|talk]])<br />
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=== Sysadmin / bofh ===<br />
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* Having had to deal with the crumbling of central infrastructure in other events, I really appreciated the stability of the wiki and Engelsystem before and throughout the event. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])<br />
* Engelsystem and wiki could've used longer login sessions. Every time I tried to quickly check my angel shifts I had to login again. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])<br />
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=== Terrain ===<br />
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* The western way to quiet camping was not accessible: so narrow that you can only go one way at a time and a huge log being in the way.<br />
** I actually opened it up significantly with a trolley, it had 1,5m high weeds on it and was almost overgrown. [[User:SA007|SA007]] ([[User talk:SA007|talk]])<br />
* The quiet camping area (Wilson field) turned out to be quite crammed and could be bigger for the next event. I assume this was caused by the scouts taking some of that area due to the unfortunate double booking. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])<br />
* The quiet camping really missed a shower container, nearest was the family village, a 15 mins walk. (with sha2017 there was one) [[User:MrLinux|MrLinux]]<br />
* Not something really on us, I knew that the public bike path was to remain open. Most bikers were considerable in slowing down when crossing the Backbone at least, but some seemed to really adamant to enforce the negative stereotypes of people on road bikes. Create some speed bumps with cable ramps next time maybe? -- [[User:Dany|Dany]] ([[User talk:Dany|talk]])<br />
* It would have been good to (more strongly) encourage people with small children to camp in Family Zone and not Quiet Camping (Wilson field). It's unreasonable to expect small children to be quiet all the time, and yet this is what is expected on Wilson. Maybe we can make that clearer. [[User:Moem|Moem]] ([[User talk:Moem|talk]]) 13:49, 31 July 2022 (CEST)<br />
* really loved having the orga tents on the south trunk. For next time, maybe only have those teams on there that actually interact with visitors. -- [[User:Sebastius|Sebastius]] ([[User talk:Sebastius|talk]])<br />
* Next time maybe also place some villages on the south trunk road, the south trunk looked a bit 'dead' now with only orga tents. -- [[User:Sebastius|Sebastius]] ([[User talk:Sebastius|talk]])<br />
* The Zuse 'aux' path over the dike was weird and not signed properly, I walked it at night and actually looked at the map on my phone where the spot should be to get down off the dike. The path seemed to be 'walk up the dike', 'don't see any hint on where the path should be going...', 'look it up', 'walk ~150m to the left without any clue if it is the correct way' 'suddenly find a path down again'. [[User:SA007|SA007]] ([[User talk:SA007|talk]])<br />
* For me, it was the first hacker camp and i like the terrain with the ways, water, lakes, woods etc. much more than other camps, where all tens be a on a very large field -- [[User:Foorschtbar|Foorschtbar]] ([[User talk:Foorschtbar|talk]])<br />
** It was the same for me and I'm also a big fan of the terrain. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])<br />
* The online map was great - would be nice to 'level it up' for next time: searching on the map, better interlinking with the wiki, export to OsmAnd in a way that allows searching as well, mobile usability, etc -- [[User:Raboof|Raboof]] ([[User talk:Raboof|talk]])<br />
* Having the online map was great, but I wish to have something more optimized for mobile devices for the next event. Performance was poor (in mobile Firefox at least) and I totally missed the options menu for showing villages. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])<br />
* The online map was great, but I worked a lot with printed maps which were all outdated. I dont expect daily printouts, but during the teardown, the maps were still at the level of Day 0, where much has already been moved. Due to the missing Village function, the webmap was not an alternative for me.<br />
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=== Ticket and Entrance ===<br />
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* Just works! Thank u -- [[User:Foorschtbar|Foorschtbar]] ([[User talk:Foorschtbar|talk]])<br />
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=== Toilets / Showers ===<br />
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* The maintenance crew for the toilets/showers did a great job, IMHO, those facilities where usually in very good shape. [[User:Alxndr|Alxndr]] ([[User talk:Alxndr|talk]])<br />
** +1 Agreement from my side -- [[User:Foorschtbar|Foorschtbar]] ([[User talk:Foorschtbar|talk]])<br />
** +1 All facilities were great, better than anything I'm used to -- [[User:j0chen|j0chen]] ([[User talk:j0chen|talk]])<br />
** +1 -- [[User:Bronsen|Bronsen]] ([[User talk:Bronsen|talk]])<br />
* Easily the best showers of any hacker camp I've been to. -- [[User:Q3k|Q3k]] ([[User talk:Q3k|talk]])<br />
* There should have been showers closer to the quiet camping area. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])<br />
* This has been my first hacker camp and I don't know the "hacker camp standards" on showers but I know a lot of music festivals. Compared to this, I must say the showering experience was simply great! I always had warm water and never had to queue and this is something I NEVER experienced on any festival yet - I'm used to waiting and then having cold water only. -- [[User:Cyb3rk41|Cyb3rk41]] ([[User talk:Cyb3rk41|talk]])<br />
* Having urinals in all places where normal toilets were available would greatly have contributed to the cleanliness of the toilets, I suppose. -- [[User:Cyb3rk41|Cyb3rk41]] ([[User talk:Cyb3rk41|talk]])<br />
** +1 Agreement from my side -- [[User:Foorschtbar|Foorschtbar]] ([[User talk:Foorschtbar|talk]])<br />
* The showers and toilets were GREAT. Well done everyone involved! Random suggestion: it was warm enough that I would actually have welcomed a (cheaper and more eco-friendly?) cold shower option. -- [[User:HerraBRE|HerraBRE]]<br />
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=== Villages ===<br />
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* It is useful that villages are distributed over the field beforehand, but I think it would be reasonable to expect villages to 'lay their claim' physically on day 0 at the latest, and from day 1 onwards have any remaining empty space welcome unaffiliated hackers. Forcing unaffiliated hackers onto designated "free for all" areas seems like an antipattern to me. It might be better to have 'dots' on the map rather than 'areas' for distributing the villages, to promote more flexibility? Perhaps we can make pretty 'poles' to put into the ground saying "Village X will be around here, and is a small/medium/big village" for orientation? -- [[User:Raboof|Raboof]] ([[User talk:Raboof|talk]])<br />
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=== Village tent/furniture rental (Moebelhaus) ===<br />
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* Our tent ended up being rotated by pi/2 compared to the map. This ended up totally throwing off what we were planning. We managed regardless, but it'd be great if in the future these maps would actually reflect reality :). -- [[User:Q3k|Q3k]] ([[User talk:Q3k|talk]])<br />
* Our tent was leaking, especially on the connector between modules. -- [[User:Q3k|Q3k]] ([[User talk:Q3k|talk]])<br />
* Don't see a spot for team tents. The Deco tent had a steel bar all around the bottom, making it really annoying with carts and a trip hazard. [[User:SA007|SA007]] ([[User talk:SA007|talk]])<br />
* Great service, very useful, good stuff. It would be nice to have some way to see which furniture was still 'in flight' and which had already been delivered, to catch missing/misdelivered furniture earlier -- [[User:Raboof|Raboof]] ([[User talk:Raboof|talk]])<br />
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=== Visitors ===<br />
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* Most visitors were excellent, as always. But in the next few years when thinking of the next event, we should probably talk about people who I guess must be new to this community, that are incredibly lax with the photo/filming policy, and behave like consumers instead of participants. --[[User:Juerd|Juerd]] ([[User talk:Juerd|talk]]) 20:49, 30 July 2022 (CEST)<br />
** agreed, many post in social media contain lots of peoples faces. I doubt that everyone was asked for permission.<br />
* I suspect that there were quite a lot of 'visitors' that didn't have a ticket on site walking around besides the scouts. [[User:SA007|SA007]] ([[User talk:SA007|talk]])<br />
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=== Volunteering / Angels ===<br />
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* Providing the angels with reusable water bottles was a very good idea. [[User:Alxndr|Alxndr]] ([[User talk:Alxndr|talk]])<br />
** Agreed -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])<br />
** +1 - I did use it a lot more than I expected at first, which was probably quite healthy to do -- [[User:SK|SK]] ([[User talk:SK|talk]])<br />
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==== Angel Food ====<br />
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* My only complaint about Mecklenb[öoøu]rg(er)? is that I still don't know how to spell their name. The food is wonderful, the people are great too! --[[User:Juerd|Juerd]] ([[User talk:Juerd|talk]]) 20:51, 30 July 2022 (CEST)<br />
** +1 Agreement from my side. The only thing i missed was more sorts of tea. i buyed one box of peppermint tea bags, and they where empty in 1h which means the people like it (more)!? -- [[User:Foorschtbar|Foorschtbar]] ([[User talk:Foorschtbar|talk]])<br />
* The food was great, as always :) -- [[User:Pinoaffe|Pinoaffe]] ([[User talk:Pinoaffe|talk]])<br />
* The angel food was incredible. One of the highlights of this event. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])<br />
* Angel food was mostly great, except for the dinner on day 0 and some dishes otherwise. I'd also have appreciated some sort of meat at least every other day. - [[User:Noor|Noor]] ([[User talk:Noor|talk]])<br />
* As always very good. Only complaint lack of coffee mugs -- [[User:SK|SK]] ([[User talk:SK|talk]])<br />
** Ha! I think i did order them, but for some reason we didn't get them. Will make a note for next time. -- [[User:Sebastius|Sebastius]] ([[User talk:Sebastius|talk]])<br />
* The Angel food was to die for (sorry, couldn't resist), big thanks to the Mecklenb[öoøu]rg(er) crew for that. Didn't miss a meat option at all. -- [[User:Dany|Dany]] ([[User talk:Dany|talk]])<br />
* I want a Mecklenbørger for my next birthday. It was just so relaxing to know that the kitchen was completely meat-free. [[User:Moem|Moem]] ([[User talk:Moem|talk]]) 13:52, 31 July 2022 (CEST)<br />
* Great food just like at SHA, and nice to have no worries about things containing meat :) -- [[User:F0x|F0x]] ([[User talk:F0x|talk]])<br />
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==== Angel Kitchen ====<br />
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* Dishwashing was a lot more manageable than at previous events, thanks to the fact that there as more equipment available. -- [[User:Pinoaffe|Pinoaffe]] ([[User talk:Pinoaffe|talk]])<br />
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==== Angel desk and Angel system ====<br />
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* I'd really like it if the Engelsystem alert emails contained the actual update in the email content. I'd get spammed with email notifications and if I wanted to actually read the update, I'd have to click through and login to the Engelsystem. I just ended up leaving most of those updates unread throughout the day. - [[User:Noor|Noor]] ([[User talk:Noor|talk]])<br />
* Would be nice if the angelsystem was more usable on mobile -- [[User:Raboof|Raboof]] ([[User talk:Raboof|talk]])<br />
* The login sessions could have been a bit longer, I was constantly kicked out when I just wanted to look up something. -- [[User:j0chen|j0chen]] ([[User talk:j0chen|talk]])<br />
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==== Heaven ====<br />
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* I assume this was just some miscommunication etc, but the outdoor seating was removed too early, esp given covid situation. Otherwise all good. -- [[User:SK|SK]] ([[User talk:SK|talk]])<br />
** Yeah, it happened when i wasn't looking. We should have moved some tables outside. -- [[User:Sebastius|Sebastius]] ([[User talk:Sebastius|talk]])<br />
* The rules for core-team people (which were doing shifts outside the angel-system) for the heaven food should be made more clear. [[User:MrLinux|MrLinux]]<br />
** That was actually really clear. Your teamlead might not have communicated it to you. Red wristband for 'full time work during event' and vouchers obtainable by teamleads for those doing work outside of the angel system. -- [[User:Sebastius|Sebastius]] ([[User talk:Sebastius|talk]])<br />
* I dearly wish we would have had the time to decorate Heaven. Unfortunately, the loss of time during buildup (*shakes fist at the weather gods*) made that impossible. The tent itself was splendid, so spacious. [[User:Moem|Moem]] ([[User talk:Moem|talk]]) 13:54, 31 July 2022 (CEST)<br />
** Ah well, we did a little by ourselves with the parasols, and it was fine! Next time! -- [[User:Sebastius|Sebastius]] ([[User talk:Sebastius|talk]])<br />
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=== Warehouse ===<br />
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* Warehouse did a really great job. And I requested some really strange things. They even got Powercables and a Compressor for repairing the Flamethrowers. -- [[User:Justelex|Justelex]] ([[User talk:Justelex|talk]])<br />
** +1 Agreement from my side -- [[User:Foorschtbar|Foorschtbar]] ([[User talk:Foorschtbar|talk]])<br />
* Warehouse should maybe stock more small stepladders, I feel they were regularly all in use. Otherwise great supplies. [[User:SA007|SA007]] ([[User talk:SA007|talk]])<br />
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=== Waste / garbage / trash ===<br />
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* Slightly sad that trash was just split into “glass” and “everything else”. It'd be nice if we could at least recycle cardboard/paper! -- [[User:Q3k|Q3k]] ([[User talk:Q3k|talk]])<br />
** Agreed. Throwing everything into the "Other Waste" containers felt wrong. I understand this was on the waste company dropping the ball. Let's make sure this won't happen at the next event. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])<br />
** +1 Agreement from my side -- [[User:Foorschtbar|Foorschtbar]] ([[User talk:Foorschtbar|talk]])<br />
** That was the supplier dropping the ball in almost every category. It was in the plan (i co-wrote it) -- [[User:Sebastius|Sebastius]] ([[User talk:Sebastius|talk]])<br />
* an awful lot of mate etc bottles ended up in glass trash I think - the later-deployed bottle collection crates helped with that -- [[User:SK|SK]] ([[User talk:SK|talk]])<br />
** Yeah that happened last time too. We did plan for drop points. Not sure why the points weren't deployed earlier by team Bar. -- [[User:Sebastius|Sebastius]] ([[User talk:Sebastius|talk]])</div>Bronsenhttps://wiki.mch2022.org/index.php?title=Feedback&diff=18125Feedback2022-08-03T16:45:17Z<p>Bronsen: /* COVID19 precautions */ +1 for switching from recommended to required mask wearing</p>
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== Topics == <br />
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=== General / overall ===<br />
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* So happy about the progressive pride and Antifa flag on the tower<br />
* Awesome event again, thanks to everyone who did their part to making it such -- [[User:SK|SK]] ([[User talk:SK|talk]])<br />
* It was fantastic and I am already stoked for the next one! -- [[User:Mosquito|Mosquito]] ([[User talk:Mosquito|talk]])<br />
** +1 Agreement from my side -- [[User:Foorschtbar|Foorschtbar]] ([[User talk:Foorschtbar|talk]])<br />
* I had a great camp overall, it was way more comfortable than I'd expected and things seemed to run smoothly. Being greeted by progressive pride flag on the Orga tent and tower instantly made me feel at ease. -- [[User:Dany|Dany]] ([[User talk:Dany|talk]])<br />
* would be a really good idea to water the ways more often, to prevent the dust. -- [[User:Justelex|Justelex]] ([[User talk:Justelex|talk]])<br />
** I'd be afraid this would quickly turn into mud, and I prefer dust to mud -- [[User:Pinoaffe|Pinoaffe]] ([[User talk:Pinoaffe|talk]])<br />
* It seems that there was so much time spend on nice to haves and to little on must haves resulting in quite a few people beeing totally burned out, I really wonder if its worth it organizing it again next year at this size with this much "consumers" visiting and maybe just going back to a smaller size is nicer, the big presence of sponsors also did not help with this feeling. -- [[User:Erik|Erik]] ([[User talk:Erik|talk]])<br />
** I am not quite sure where you saw those "consumers", especially since that would be quite a high entry price for a consumer (no daytickets and all). As far as I know we didn't finish selling all tickets so it was smaller then expected even. Although I do understand that you are longing for a smaller sized event (there are definitely a couple of those out there), I dearly hope that this event will even grow, since it is quite nice to have more and new people being interested and learning more. Sponsors I am unsure about, since I do know they were a big help in financing the whole event. With the point of being to burned out, that might be a problem of scheduling and volunteering, since there were around ~400 volunteers for the whole event (officially).<br />
** Don't worry, next year is not a thing, we do this every four years (Corona volente). As for the size of the event, for me it's just about right as it was this year, but opinions can and will always differ. If you like a cosy, small event that happens next year, Bornhack might be your thing.[[User:Moem|Moem]] ([[User talk:Moem|talk]])<br />
* Still amazed by the amount of creativity and community, so many people sharing what they love and are good at -- [[User:Raboof|Raboof]] ([[User talk:Raboof|talk]])<br />
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=== Arrival / departure / parking / train shuttle / luggage shuttle ===<br />
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* I was surprised twice that empty places in the field were apparently claimed. It was not clear to me that people had staked out places already on the wiki. This would seem to me one of The Most Important Things To Tell People: "whatever is on the wiki wins". Or perhaps abolish that, also fine by me, but in any case be very clear about it. I could also do with an AR app or so that shows me what people claimed :-) -- [[User:Ahu|Ahu]] ([[User talk:Ahu|talk]])<br />
** Next time we should plan some areas for 'those without village', i heard they were planned for this time but they might have gotten lost with the last minute rearranging due to the double booking. -- [[User:Sebastius|Sebastius]] ([[User talk:Sebastius|talk]])<br />
** (moved my feedback here to [[Feedback#Villages]]) -- [[User:Raboof|Raboof]] ([[User talk:Raboof|talk]])<br />
* Last day of the event felt kinda "lost" as people were beginning to tear things down from early on in the day well before the closing event. Was bit of a weird mood/feeling. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])<br />
** +1 Agreement from my side -- [[User:Foorschtbar|Foorschtbar]] ([[User talk:Foorschtbar|talk]])<br />
** While it is pretty normal for many people to already pack their things on the last day, the problem was certainly exacerbated by the fact that a roundmail on day 4 told all villages that their rented tents had to be "cleaned and empty" no later than 17:30 on day 5. That really gave villages no choice but to tear everything down during daytime on day 5. [[User:PoempelFox|PoempelFox]] ([[User talk:PoempelFox|talk]])<br />
* The parking area was way better then at Sha. A Regular people shuttle on the field with one or two 4+ seater golfcarts would be awesome for pregnant / people that can't walk long distances and so on. (Maybe also on call would be enough) -- [[User:Justelex|Justelex]] ([[User talk:Justelex|talk]])<br />
* "Shuttle goes when it goes" without any indication how long it will take is no option for people who have to catch their train/flight. We had many questions and complaints at the infodesk. A schedule would be great. -- [[User:Sirgoofy|sirgoofy]]<br />
* The shuttle stop changed during the event. It would be great to have a dedicated shuttle stop (with sign and timetable) during the event.<br />
* The payment system for the shuttle was too complicated. We had many questions about buying tickets at the infodesk. People tried to buy tickets in the online shop, but had problems getting their order paid. It would be better to make it free, or allow to pay in cash in the shuttle.<br />
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=== Badge ===<br />
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* Very well-made and polished badge, really surprised me with the effort put into it and its versatility! [[User:Vurpo|Vurpo]] ([[User talk:Vurpo|talk]]) 21:07, 30 July 2022 (CEST) <br />
** +1 Agreement from my side -- [[User:Foorschtbar|Foorschtbar]] ([[User talk:Foorschtbar|talk]])<br />
** +1 -- [[User:Bronsen|Bronsen]] ([[User talk:Bronsen|talk]])<br />
* The badge is really nice, but the price of MCH admission is already hindering people we'd like to reach. Perhaps do consider if we really need it. -- [[User:Ahu|Ahu]] ([[User talk:Ahu|talk]])<br />
* Awesome badge, I had a lot of fun tinkering with it during camp and always received helpful advice in the IRC channel. Please keep this project going! [[User:Alxndr|Alxndr]] ([[User talk:Alxndr|talk]])<br />
* The badge is amazing! However, I feel bad that my badges from previous events barely got used and this one is likely to suffer the same fate. For environmental/cost reasons, I kinda wish I could have opted out. Alternately, if there were a way to hand my badge in after the event and know it would be used for educational purposes later on, I would have given it up a heartbeat. -- [[User:HerraBRE|HerraBRE]]<br />
* Really love the badge, it inspired me to try micropython for the first time. Also I find it to be a piece of art, the PCB design is just great. On the other side, I'm also sceptical on the ecological aspects. I fear that many hackers will not use it anymore after the event or even never use it at all. Maybe it would be a good idea to offer badges as an option instead of giving everyone a piece. -- [[User:Cyb3rk41|Cyb3rk41]] ([[User talk:Cyb3rk41|talk]])<br />
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=== Bars and food court ===<br />
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* The capacity of the food-stands was quite low, which resulted in long waiting times. Not good with hungry kids. [[User:Fhp|Fhp]] ([[User talk:Fhp|talk]])<br />
* Agree with above: low capacity for the commercial food stands. They also didn't seem to grasp the concept of 'lunch'. I expected them to be up and running around 13.00, but most of them weren't, resulting in even longer lines at the places that were open earlier. -- [[User:Dany|Dany]] ([[User talk:Dany|talk]])<br />
* The food stands I've visited (Wok, Fries) had poor in-person advertising of everything that they were actually selling and how much it cost. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])<br />
** Agreed. Menu and pricing was often hard to read -- [[User:j0chen|j0chen]] ([[User talk:j0chen|talk]])<br />
* The Johny Cash Burger was great but mostly I fed on waffles by the awesome C3WOC <3. And of course one can rely on the Italian Hackers' Embassy for excellent pasta and Italian Grappa. By the way... is there a Spanish or French Embassy with similar services? Would put that on my checklist for the next camp. ;-) Oh and Angel Food was also great and healthy. Didn't miss meat there, eating more veg is better for the environment anyways. Thanks for the opportunity! Conclusion: Wide range, many choices, very good! -- [[User:Mosquito|Mosquito]] ([[User talk:Mosquito|talk]])<br />
* Frietsaus is not Mayo. [[User:MrLinux|MrLinux]]<br />
* The split layout of the bar/food area didn't really work. You couldn't see all in one go, so most people only visited one bar making a huge queue there. -- [[User:Sebastius|Sebastius]] ([[User talk:Sebastius|talk]])<br />
* Coffee vendor people had no idea what they were doing. Literally not knowing what a Latte Machiatto is while it's on their menu. -- [[User:Sebastius|Sebastius]] ([[User talk:Sebastius|talk]])<br />
* Next time get food vendors from several companies instead of using one single source. Yes it's more work to set up but this time the overall quality was not great (but acceptable). -- [[User:Sebastius|Sebastius]] ([[User talk:Sebastius|talk]])<br />
* Next time also get some vendors who do varied meals (every day a different choice, like the vegan place at CCCamp2019) at competitive pricing. -- [[User:Sebastius|Sebastius]] ([[User talk:Sebastius|talk]])<br />
** +1 I think some vendors (pizza) had very little choice, which has not changed. -- [[User:j0chen|j0chen]] ([[User talk:j0chen|talk]])<br />
* Next time allow Mecklenborger to also have a food-truck for the general public on camp. -- [[User:Sebastius|Sebastius]] ([[User talk:Sebastius|talk]]) +1<br />
* Overall nice. Might be good to promote villages that have good capacity for selling food as well somehow, to make it more 'integrated'? -- [[User:Raboof|Raboof]] ([[User talk:Raboof|talk]])<br />
** especially the C3WOC with their delicious waffles -- [[User:j0chen|j0chen]] ([[User talk:j0chen|talk]])<br />
* Unfortunately the bars were out of the larger plastic glasses very soon. -- [[User:Kokx|Kokx]] ([[User talk:Kokx|talk]])<br />
* the commercial food vendors I tried had good quality but rather high prices; so I was glad for the big kitchen in our village -- [[User:Bronsen|Bronsen]] ([[User talk:Bronsen|talk]])<br />
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=== Buildup and teardown ===<br />
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* As one of the persons who collected what felt like a kilometre of Flatterband at teardown, and removed a pile of pegs it was attached to, I would like to thank those buildup angels who didn't sink the pegs below ground level. You made my job a lot easier! :) [[User:Alxndr|Alxndr]] ([[User talk:Alxndr|talk]])<br />
** +1 Agreement from my side -- [[User:Foorschtbar|Foorschtbar]] ([[User talk:Foorschtbar|talk]])<br />
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=== COVID19 precautions ===<br />
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* Thanks for caring about ventilation. [https://grafana.mch2022.org/d/q9gZutJ7z/mch2022?orgId=1&viewPanel=30&from=1658492800367&to=1658853839068 CO2 meters] and open sides weren't in place during the opening talk, but this was fixed quickly after and I heard the security team kept an eye on the graphs. --[[User:Juerd|Juerd]] ([[User talk:Juerd|talk]]) 20:43, 30 July 2022 (CEST)<br />
* I liked the availability of masks and self tests for those who forgot to bring their own. I've heard about a few dozen people who got infected, but there were probably more. Thanks to the rapid tests and the heroes who chose to isolate, we may have averted a disastrous superspreading event. --[[User:Juerd|Juerd]] ([[User talk:Juerd|talk]]) 22:02, 30 July 2022 (CEST)<br />
** +1 Agreement from my side -- [[User:Foorschtbar|Foorschtbar]] ([[User talk:Foorschtbar|talk]])<br />
** Very much appreciated the easy availability of masks and rapid tests. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])<br />
* It would have been good to switch from recommended to required mask wearing, at least indoors, once it became clear that "personal responsibility" wasn't working out (even in this community, what a disappointment). [[User:Alxndr|Alxndr]] ([[User talk:Alxndr|talk]])<br />
** Agreeing on all points. Was also a bit disappointed. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])<br />
** +1 -- [[User:Bronsen|Bronsen]] ([[User talk:Bronsen|talk]])<br />
** Its quite hard to do that in a country where this is not a rule anymore.<br />
* It was good to request/require mask wearing in the food queue in Heaven. It would have been even better to do it from the very beginning. [[User:Moem|Moem]] ([[User talk:Moem|talk]]) 09:20, 31 July 2022 (CEST)<br />
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=== Content / talks / heralds / speakerdesk / AV / recordings ===<br />
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* In the end it worked pretty well, but perhaps do ponder having some "known good" presenter laptops/devices available. This has worked very well for other conferences. I used a 200 euro Chromebook with a throwaway google account. -- [[User:Ahu|Ahu]] ([[User talk:Ahu|talk]])<br />
* This is a matter of taste - if you light up the speakers real well, the audience can enjoy a well lighted speaker. But the speaker then often can't see the audience. And during my talks, I love to actually see the audience. This was better in 2017 (at least in Abacus and Battery). -- [[User:Ahu|Ahu]] ([[User talk:Ahu|talk]])<br />
* The speaker desk and the room to work is absolutely ACE. -- [[User:Ahu|Ahu]] ([[User talk:Ahu|talk]])<br />
* Very friendly and helpful people at the speakerdesk and also Heralds and other Angels. Dry running my laptop with the monitor at the Speaker Desk before the talk made me much calmer once I knew that worked. Thank you! -- [[User:Mosquito|Mosquito]] ([[User talk:Mosquito|talk]])<br />
* had the opposite experience: crablab forgot giving me a speaker badge and was not very hospitable "i'd prefer if you bought your mate at the bar" the single time I asked for one in order to work on my slides -- [[User:Fraxinas|Fraxinas]] ([[User talk:Fraxinas|talk]])<br />
* Generally felt welcome as a speaker, thanks! I didn't end up using the speaker area as it felt a bit like a 'fish tank' being so exposed to the main road (but that might be a personal hang-up ;) ) -- [[User:Raboof|Raboof]] ([[User talk:Raboof|talk]])<br />
* It would have been nice to have a more 'integrated' programme containing both the 'curated' content and the 'self-organized' sessions. It was nice that some self-organized sessions were added to https://program.mch2022.org but it'd be even nicer to have that 'direct' somehow -- [[User:Raboof|Raboof]] ([[User talk:Raboof|talk]])<br />
* It would have been nice to have an officially-recommended app - Giggity worked great on Android, just promoting that more might have been a good start -- [[User:Raboof|Raboof]] ([[User talk:Raboof|talk]])<br />
* It would be nice to cross-link the schedule with the livestreams/recordings better -- [[User:Raboof|Raboof]] ([[User talk:Raboof|talk]])<br />
* Several of the workshop presenters said they would make their presentations available, but the majority is unfindable. I did understand a presentation can be added to the schedule, but it is hard to spot that this has actually been done. Maybe an independent index with such material can be made and material actively requested? -- [[User:M10|M10]] ([[User talk:M10|talk]])<br />
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=== CTF ===<br />
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* The CTF as a whole was excellent. Really interesting challenges on multiple categories and I still think this is the best CTF I have attended. Even the easy challenges had nice twists to them, no basic "'or 1=1;-- = flag" here. -- [[User:Onja|Onja]]<br />
* Both the competitors and the organizers I chatted with were very nice and passionate. Organizers gave good hints without giving too much away on couple of the challenges when we were stuck. -- [[User:Onja|Onja]]<br />
* There were plenty of beverages to keep us going, hard part was to remember to eat something once in a while. <br />
* Only complaint I have is about the ctf area: the outside tent was mostly more trouble than it was worth with wind trying to blow the whole tent away and the inside got crowded pretty fast. DT lounge area was nice but I'm not 1337 h4x0r enough to sit there 4 days in a row, my back will kill me. :D -- [[User:Onja|Onja]]<br />
* Looking forward to reading challenge writeups (I still want to hear the creators thoughts on Coinflip even though we eventually managed to solve it). Also I agree that Coinflip was one of the tougher challenges, should have been 200 pts (whine, whine). -- [[User:Onja|Onja]]<br />
* Summary: We will definitely be back next time! -- [[User:Onja|Onja]]<br />
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=== Decoration / design ===<br />
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* Well done all around -- [[User:SK|SK]] ([[User talk:SK|talk]]) 01:07, 31 July 2022 (CEST)<br />
* The design was so colorful and well thought out, it gave team Deco a lot to work with. Great job! [[User:Moem|Moem]] ([[User talk:Moem|talk]]) 09:22, 31 July 2022 (CEST) <br />
** +1 Agreement from my side -- [[User:Foorschtbar|Foorschtbar]] ([[User talk:Foorschtbar|talk]])<br />
* The deco was really cool, I especially liked the UV-reactive strings that gave the illusion of lasers and the super cute felt plants in the Silent Lounge. -- [[User:Dany|Dany]] ([[User talk:Dany|talk]])<br />
* Both design and deco were amazing! Also great that it was available beforehand, including the 'generator', so villages etc could use it in their preparations as well -- [[User:Raboof|Raboof]] ([[User talk:Raboof|talk]])<br />
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=== Family / kids ===<br />
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* Great vibe at the zone \o/<br />
* Maybe one or two hot water faucets would be useful (for baby care, for dishwashing, etc)<br />
* Sponsors like to party, maybe keep that in mind when planning in the noise gradient<br />
* As someone without kids I love that people feel welcome to bring theirs, and the atmosphere that comes with that. Accidentally ran into the "balloon folding (for adults)" workshop which was hilarious. Great fun. -- [[User:Raboof|Raboof]] ([[User talk:Raboof|talk]])<br />
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=== Finance / coins / payments ===<br />
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* Payment by card worked mostly well, other than the supermarket not accepting international cards. My main issue was that the payment system was not well enough explained before the actual event! The blog post and wiki page were pretty long and still left me confused about what the actual payment system on the field was going to end up being. Even a simple "TL;DR we will use regular international payment cards with chip/contactless" would have helped me. [[User:Vurpo|Vurpo]] ([[User talk:Vurpo|talk]]) 21:04, 30 July 2022 (CEST)<br />
* I asked at several bars and the food court where I could get the prepaid card for the MCH payment system, but nobody knew, so I ended up using my regular payment card. [[User:Alxndr|Alxndr]] ([[User talk:Alxndr|talk]]<br />
** The MCH payment system only was operational from day 1 (with paper QR codes) and the ability to print them on plastic cards was added later - [[User:Noor|Noor]]<br />
** yeah communication could have been better, the main problem was that most of it was arranged by one single person (never a good idea). Next time we need to find more people who work on the financial/tickets stuff. <br />
* I liked the idea of the cashless QR-code, especially the later upgrade to a "hard card" rather than just a stub of thermal paper. Avoids using the big payment providers and frees one of having to carry around cash. However I would've loved seeing more universal acceptance around the event (for example at the supermarket). -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])<br />
** +1 Agreement from my side. I missed also the acceptance at the Merch stand -- [[User:Foorschtbar|Foorschtbar]] ([[User talk:Foorschtbar|talk]])<br />
* As a foreigner visiting, I was VERY happy that I could use my card to tap and pay almost everywhere. Get the supermarket on board next time and you get a perfect score from me! The QR code system also worked quite well (I took payment at the bar a few times). I was impressed, well done. - [[User:HerraBRE|HerraBRE]]<br />
* Payment with payment cards in combination with PIN code failed. (only contactless worked, until the 50 euro weekly limit was reached.) [[User:MrLinux|MrLinux]]<br />
* The payment system is too complex and impractical for such an event. At the infodesk there were many questions and complaints on the payment system. People were confused about whether their bank card is accepted or wanted to buy QR-codes with their cards. There were many complaints about the complexity of the payment system. Normally, payment on such events is straightforward (give some money, get a drink). I guess this complicated system also restrained people from buying drinks (just a gut feeling from the number of bottles collected on the field by Team BOC). There were also many people complaining that they could not get unused money from the QR codes (because they had to leave early or came too late). -- [[User:Sirgoofy|sirgoofy]]<br />
* The payment system encouraged people not to bring cash, with is a huge issue for villages -- [[User:Sirgoofy|sirgoofy]]<br />
** Many villages rely on donations to cover costs, e.g., for food or parts for workshops, like the Italian Embassy, Millyways, Team Badge, c3woc (waffles), Chaos Post. Donations in cash are straightforward and understandable. Handling cashless donations is complicated (especially for people donating), expensive (i.e., fees), and requires bank accounts (which many villages don't have as they're just a bunch of people and no legal instance).<br />
** Cashless donations would be handy, though. Many international visitors don't have cash.<br />
** It would be great if people could donate using the QR code system (and buy QR codes cashless) -- [[User:Sirgoofy|sirgoofy]]<br />
* The MCH Payment system was a great benefit. Also that a plastic card could be created that was clearly more robust than the QR code on thermal paper.... Unfortunately, the machine took a long time to accept a bill. In addition, it would be nice to be able to recharge cards so that you can get through the camp with a printed card without directly charging one huge amount. -- [[User:j0chen|j0chen]] ([[User talk:j0chen|talk]])<br />
* An ATM would be great next time. My card was declined most of the time, so I reliant on my cash (and an ATM outside of camp) -- [[User:j0chen|j0chen]] ([[User talk:j0chen|talk]])<br />
** Or a possibility to get some cash at a desk or so? Cash needed to be handled anyway for the QR codes -- [[User:Sirgoofy|sirgoofy]]<br />
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=== Harbour / Ferry ===<br />
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* Loved the ferry service not as much as a shuttle to the other side of the water way, but as a way to enjoy some quiet time and a light breeze to (mentally) recharge away from the event. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])<br />
* The Ferry Service was great, and especially the operating hours where great. -- [[User:Justelex|Justelex]] ([[User talk:Justelex|talk]]) +1<br />
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=== Information / infodesk / wiki ===<br />
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* The infodesk should've been open for longer/as long as possible. (background: I've sat on the NOC helpdesk a bunch of times after the last infodesk angles were gone and dealt with quite a few people that were originally looking for the helpdesk; also being able to respond to infodesk calls for longer). -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])<br />
* Would be nice if the wiki was more usable on mobile -- [[User:Raboof|Raboof]] ([[User talk:Raboof|talk]])<br />
* The infodesk should be open earlier, at least starting day 0. It was unfortunate that the furniture was late (w/o desk no infodesk) -- [[User:Sirgoofy|sirgoofy]]<br />
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=== Lounges ===<br />
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* Silent lounge was very well done. Nicely decorated and people behaving very considerate (i.e. really tried to be silent). No wonder that it was popular to the point where it could've used more pillows. I was worried that people would start camping inside the lounge (similar things happen at congress for example), but that didn't turn out to be true. I've seen plenty of people taking a nap away from the noise of the event, but thankfully nobody started living inside the lounge. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])<br />
* Besides the silent lounge, I wish there were more places for people, especially for those without a village, to relax in the shade near an Ethernet port and power outlet. In the harbour there was the wood table with tent roof and the bar with a couple of seats, but both away from power outlets. Otherwise, besides the couple of deckchairs, we mostly hard hard wooden benches near the food court without shade (and no power sockets). -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])<br />
** +1 agreed, a few dedicated shaded outdoor spots would've been nice -- [[User:SK|SK]] ([[User talk:SK|talk]])<br />
** +1 I was going to write the same. Seating on the western part of the food court was hardly used because there was no shadow. Everyone was cramped beneath the roof tent in front of the east bar. On previous events there were more public spaces with roofing, sofas, bean bags, power and network. Nice place with hammocks at the speaker desk but also now shadow. Roof tents would also provide shelter in case of rain (as experienced on previous camps).<br />
** +1 I'd enjoy that as well! Perhaps with some way to announce what you're working on to encourage spontaneous conversations? Not sure how that would work though -- [[User:Raboof|Raboof]] ([[User talk:Raboof|talk]])<br />
** +1 A few shady sitting areas for hackers without Village; with sockets and ethernet sockets would have been very pleasant especially in the sunny and warm weather. -- [[User:j0chen|j0chen]] ([[User talk:j0chen|talk]])<br />
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=== Merchandise ===<br />
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* The designs look great, I'm a fan of the asymmetry and the patterned sleeves. Not being able to go a size up or down from what you ordered online was kind of disappointing. Not a major issue for myself but I know of several people who were sad about this. The [[merch exchange]] is not a great solution, but better than nothing. --[[User:Juerd|Juerd]] ([[User talk:Juerd|talk]]) 20:54, 30 July 2022 (CEST)<br />
** That mostly was the result of not receiving as many units as we ordered, sadly. -- [[User:Sebastius|Sebastius]] ([[User talk:Sebastius|talk]])<br />
* Merch was great: Awesome design and high quality. Preodering saved me from having to stay in a (humongous) line in the heat. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])<br />
* I absolutely love the hexagonal patterns and diagrams, but the amount of purple/pink was enough to keep me from buying more than a hat (that, and sizes being too big for me). - [[User:Noor|Noor]] ([[User talk:Noor|talk]])<br />
* Nice merch, despite at first not being a fan of the design. Option to preorder is great. -- [[User:SK|SK]] ([[User talk:SK|talk]])<br />
* OK so maybe I'm a dinosaur, but if I'd known that "fitted" was inclusive for "ladies", I wouldn't have ordered a way-too-small T-shirt. Not a complaint really, but maybe that could have been explained better? Help us old farts get with the program! :-D<br />
** 'Fitted' does not mean 'ladies', it means snug and cut to cling to the body, not baggy and loose. I know plenty of gentlemen who prefer that style. [[User:Moem|Moem]] ([[User talk:Moem|talk]])<br />
* Love the zipper design and quality, will be one of my favourite pieces from now on :) Preorder and pickup was easy and a great option to avoid long queues at the merch booth. -- [[User:Cyb3rk41|Cyb3rk41]] ([[User talk:Cyb3rk41|talk]])<br />
* I love how the shirts and hoodies look, but I'm worried about how well they will hold up when being washed. The rainbow looks like it will fall off just like the yellow SHA robot did. You hardly see the SHA shirts being worn anymore... but OHM and even HAR shirts, yes. [[User:Moem|Moem]] ([[User talk:Moem|talk]])<br />
** +1 love the looks but concerned about the large areas (beam/rainbow) as well - those already seemed to have faded a bit from being folded up in a damp tent... -- [[User:Raboof|Raboof]] ([[User talk:Raboof|talk]])<br />
* Loved that there were angel shirts in a different color than black again ;) -- [[User:Raboof|Raboof]] ([[User talk:Raboof|talk]])<br />
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=== Miscellaneous ===<br />
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* Swan family was pretty relaxed with all the people and activity, camping out in the middle of the terrain. - [[User:Noor|Noor]] ([[User talk:Noor|talk]]<br />
* It would be nice to have some angel-staffed dishwashing station (with manual rinse and commercial dishwashers) somewhere, to help with saving water and time, and to increase general hygiene (we all know how camp dish cleanliness standards go...) -- [[User:Q3k|Q3k]] ([[User talk:Q3k|talk]])<br />
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=== Music/laser stage / silent disco / Symphony of Fire ===<br />
* The music/laser stage was not a great fit for the event. It drained the villages and talk tents, making those less interesting. Also the whole separate 'party area' does not work for me. I would not miss it if we didn't have one next time. -- [[User:Sebastius|Sebastius]] ([[User talk:Sebastius|talk]])<br />
* No clue why we had a music stage, but if we for some reason must have one, why not have hacker-music on it (e.g. robotic instruments, chiptunes, etc), it was mostly filled with mediocre covers of songs unrelated to the event entirely. [[User:SA007|SA007]] ([[User talk:SA007|talk]])<br />
* Party area was WAY too spacious for the amount of people using it. -- [[User:Sebastius|Sebastius]] ([[User talk:Sebastius|talk]])<br />
* Loved the silent disco setup though. Also really loved it being used at night to allow the byte battle thingie to take place. -- [[User:Sebastius|Sebastius]] ([[User talk:Sebastius|talk]])<br />
* Having hacker built flame throwers which normally look awesome mounted on a commercial stage actually takes away the home-built hacker vibe of those flame throwers. -- [[User:Sebastius|Sebastius]] ([[User talk:Sebastius|talk]])<br />
* Music stage with the flamethrowers, and Symphony of Fire were awesome. - [[User:Noor|Noor]] ([[User talk:Noor|talk]])<br />
* Very well done. Silent disco was a neat solution to the inherent noise conflicts. What exactly is going on could have been a bit more detailed in the schedule, some people were sad they missed interesting things because they didn't realize who was playing. -- [[User:SK|SK]] ([[User talk:SK|talk]])<br />
* For me, the music stage did not really add anything that I would miss if it dit not happen again on a next event. Symphony of Fire was indeed awesome, I wonder if they could have played on a raised podium so more people could have seen what was happening. [[User:Moem|Moem]] ([[User talk:Moem|talk]]) 09:27, 31 July 2022 (CEST)<br />
** +1 -- [[User:Fraxinas|Fraxinas]] ([[User talk:Fraxinas|talk]])<br />
** +1 Agreement from my side -- [[User:Foorschtbar|Foorschtbar]] ([[User talk:Foorschtbar|talk]])<br />
** +1 Symphony of Fire was *the* main act at the stages, a raised podium or bigscreen would have been great that more people can see something. Especially the crowding is perhaps a bit critical with regard to the COVID measures. -- [[User:j0chen|j0chen]] ([[User talk:j0chen|talk]])<br />
* Silent disco was so much fun! More, later, longer please! Seems like a great solution for us party animals who don't want calm after 2am. - [[User:HerraBRE|HerraBRE]]<br />
* Music stage was to loud, to horrible and went on for way to long it and nowhere on the terrain you did not hear it, making sleeping almost impossible for people who actually need proper sleep (yes quiet camping was also to loud). -- [[User:Erik|Erik]] ([[User talk:Erik|talk]])<br />
* Silent disco was a great idea. But for the next time, I'd appreciate it if it wasn't just announced in advance, but if there was also information about the technology, e.g. where/if I can get suitable headphones myself or on which frequencies it runs, so that I can build a receiver myself. As far as I have heard, it was probably possible to receive the radio on the entire camp? -- [[User:j0chen|j0chen]] ([[User talk:j0chen|talk]])<br />
* three points<br />
# The main stage did not have good sound, despite the the row of massive loudspeakers in front. <br />
# Flames were fantastic.<br />
# Big screen was good. -- [[User:Bronsen|Bronsen]] ([[User talk:Bronsen|talk]])<br />
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=== NOC / Network ===<br />
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* My SFP+ module got to stay in a datenklo. A++++ would camp again. -- [[User:Q3k|Q3k]] ([[User talk:Q3k|talk]])<br />
* Datenklos were sorely missing some CYBER(tm) reflective foil wrapping -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])<br />
** There was a plan for nice aluminium foil/plated cardboard skins with the field name and other decorations on it, but the weather during buildup threw a spanner into that idea... [[User:SA007|SA007]] ([[User talk:SA007|talk]])<br />
** +1 Agreement from my side -- [[User:Foorschtbar|Foorschtbar]] ([[User talk:Foorschtbar|talk]])<br />
* Some system for releasing cables from the datenklo switches at teardown would help. I couldn't recover my uplink cable and then later realised I left without it. Maybe give a key to a nearby village person that would release cables that have no more active link on a regular basis? -- [[User:M10|M10]] ([[User talk:M10|talk]])<br />
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=== Power ===<br />
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* Thank you very much for not cutting power off after the closing event as at SHA. -- [[User:Malaclypse|Malaclypse]] ([[User talk:Malaclypse|talk]])<br />
** +1 Agreement from my side -- [[User:Foorschtbar|Foorschtbar]] ([[User talk:Foorschtbar|talk]])<br />
* I was really happy to have power available until the very end on wednesday! Thanks for that! -- [[User:Cyb3rk41|Cyb3rk41]] ([[User talk:Cyb3rk41|talk]])<br />
** Agreed. Having power for as long as possible was great. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])<br />
* The priklichtjes (festoon lights on poles) were a very welcome addition by Team:Power. [[User:Moem|Moem]] ([[User talk:Moem|talk]])<br />
** They helped me greatly in navigating the terrain in the dark, indicating where the paths where between the villages. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])<br />
*** +1 very nice for indicating paths between tents and nature. -- [[User:j0chen|j0chen]] ([[User talk:j0chen|talk]])<br />
* Very impressed with the PowerTeam, kudos! And we learned an important lesson (the hard way) that long PVC cables lying in wet grass will suck up moisture and trip the 'aardlek' (RCD?). This could be written a lot better in the power wiki page so people can prepare better. Now the neoprene cables are only recommended as the better quality, but not that PVC has negative effects, like taking out two villages for a few hours. -- [[User:M10|M10]] ([[User talk:M10|talk]])<br />
:* In general, the cable should be rated for outdoor usage. PVC cables for outdoor use do exist (and are really nice to use because they're more flexible, especially when it's cold), so a simple list of materials doesn't work. (In case you're interested: harmonized cable types have the material encoded in the type, H05RR-F for example means H = harmonized, 05 = 300V, R = rubber inner insulation, R = rubber outer insulation, F = fine stranded. Neoprene is usually identified as RN, indoor PVC as VV, outdoor PVC as V3V3 (e.g. H05V3V3-F). Not sure if listing all outdoor capable material codes would work; just look for "rated for outdoor use"; the IP44 schuko plug with the ring is a good proxy/heuristic for that.) Oh, and by the way, neoprene can also suck up moisture over time! It's just usually slow enough :) --[[User:Juerd|Juerd]] ([[User talk:Juerd|talk]])<br />
* Basically everything worked, I could imagine that a distribution of the generators across the camp is perhaps better. At the CCCamp 2019, each larger area had its own generator, so iirc there was never a full blackout. Important systems then simply get two generators (redundancy!). -- [[User:j0chen|j0chen]] ([[User talk:j0chen|talk]])<br />
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=== Off-Site Logistics ===<br />
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* Off-site logistics was a mess, during buildup the schedule was changed drastically without communication about it, we ended up waiting 9 hours for a truck that was smaller than promised requiring a second trip. Teardown I drove the van myself. [[User:SA007|SA007]] ([[User talk:SA007|talk]])<br />
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=== On-Site Logistics ===<br />
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* Gators are too loud, you can't hear each other inside a tent if they drive by. [[User:SA007|SA007]] ([[User talk:SA007|talk]])<br />
** IIRC electric vehicles were unavaible from the local rental companies, unfortunately [[User:Flimpie|Flimpie]] ([[User talk:Flimpie|talk]]) 22:38, 1 August 2022 (CEST)<br />
** +1 The gators were also so loud that you could barely understand/use the radio when you were sitting in it -- [[User:j0chen|j0chen]] ([[User talk:j0chen|talk]])<br />
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=== Other music/noise (outside the official party area) ===<br />
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* Please NEVER allow Holoplot to be on the field ever again. And if that is impossible to prevent, at least NOT do a late night party with that system. The volume OUTSIDE the tent was horrifying. -- [[User:Sebastius|Sebastius]] ([[User talk:Sebastius|talk]])<br />
* Bit torn on this one. It is a party event, but there was way too much loud music post 2 AM. Some of us do need sleep. I know, weak etc. I don't recall seeing a clear policy on what is acceptable, might be behind people feeling ok cranking up the volume after midnight. -- [[User:Ahu|Ahu]] ([[User talk:Ahu|talk]])<br />
* The Retro Arcade area was an absolute nuisance at night. They were blasting the neighbouring villages with shitty music and drunken yelling until 2 or 3 am pretty much every day. I can think of several words for this kind of behaviour, and none of them rhyme with "excellent". [[User:Alxndr|Alxndr]] ([[User talk:Alxndr|talk]])<br />
** +1 They also played the same 7 shitty songs each night. Seemed like most of the participants were corporates (BlueHatHacker, etc.). The whole thing felt pretty unfit for MCH. -- [[User:JT|JT]] ([[User talk:JT|talk]])<br />
* It seems like while the official policy was 'no noise after 1AM', it wasn't actively enforced for most cases - and I think that enabled people to also treat it a bit more like a hint rather than a rule? Perhaps for future events we should have numerical 'loudness' scores for all fields, forming a gradient, with a higher score letting people be louder and party later, and actually enforce that. That way loud people can camp in loud villages, while those who need peace and quiet can camp in quiet villages. -- [[User:Q3k|Q3k]] ([[User talk:Q3k|talk]])<br />
** I think this was sort-of implemented based on village input, but the usual event fields are just a bit too small for that to work reliably -- [[User:SK|SK]] ([[User talk:SK|talk]])<br />
* This was both badly communicated (FAQ said "until midnight", apparently the actual rule was from 1 am?) and not usefully enforced. Arcade area right next to family village especially apparently could do whatever they wanted. This makes awesome ideas like silent disco for the "official" music stage sadly quite moot. -- [[User:SK|SK]] ([[User talk:SK|talk]])<br />
* second-hand, but if security (i.e. the contact listed for noise complaints on the front page of this wiki!) really responded to calls about this with "don't call us unless there's an actual emergency" some rules seriously need to be re-established -- [[User:SK|SK]] ([[User talk:SK|talk]])<br />
* at the same time small villages further into the "louder sector" (i.e. away from family/silent camping) were told off for having any music on low volume -- [[User:SK|SK]] ([[User talk:SK|talk]])<br />
* Our village was placed in a party area. That was unfortunate. Next time I'll camp in a quiet are even if that means being far away from the village I am interested in. Geraffel adhered to the 1am quiet policy (yay!) but others didn't. They went on till after 4.30 and didn't honor complaints. -- [[User:Mosquito|Mosquito]] ([[User talk:Mosquito|talk]])<br />
* I was sad there was no place to party and dance after 2am. I agree people who want quiet should be able to enjoy quiet, but in a perfect camp there would be room for both. -- [[User:HerraBRE|HerraBRE]]<br />
* The distribution of the Villages and party zones was perhaps not quite ideal, felt the Family Zone (which had asked for quiet) was in the middle of the Party Zone (based on the noise / music) -- [[User:j0chen|j0chen]] ([[User talk:j0chen|talk]])<br />
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=== POC / Dect / Fieldphones ===<br />
* I couldn't find advance information as to when the phone / DECT network would be shut off on the wiki, having such information would be useful (but I may just have been looking in the wrong place) -- [[User:Pinoaffe|Pinoaffe]] ([[User talk:Pinoaffe|talk]])<br />
* DECT coverage was great around the whole camp area. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])<br />
** +1 Agreement from my side -- [[User:Foorschtbar|Foorschtbar]] ([[User talk:Foorschtbar|talk]])<br />
* DECT self-registration worked great (have been used to it for a while now from congress). -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])<br />
** +1 Agreement from my side -- [[User:Foorschtbar|Foorschtbar]] ([[User talk:Foorschtbar|talk]])<br />
* DECT was switched off too early. DECT is mandatory for teardown, especially as the gsm coverage is quite bad -- [[User:Sirgoofy|sirgoofy]]<br />
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=== Parcel deliveries ===<br />
* Many people that ordered things to the field were (seemingly) unaware of how parcel deliveries were supposed to work. This caused unnecessary overhead. -- [[User:Pinoaffe|Pinoaffe]] ([[User talk:Pinoaffe|talk]])<br />
* Collaborating with C3Post may be worthwhile for a next event, though they may not want to deal with large packages. -- [[User:Pinoaffe|Pinoaffe]] ([[User talk:Pinoaffe|talk]])<br />
** Delivering anything of real value sounds like a bad idea (on big events). Besides being way more effort than postcards, parcels (pending delivery) would require (secure-ish) storage space while not out for relivery or if the first delivery attempt failed. We'd also need extra couriers and not hand deliveries out to random passing-by hackers, which also leaks the info on the parcel (such as tracking numbers) to said random hackers. Also some postcards just got lost/didn't get delivered, which would be a real issue with parcels. -- [[User:Trilader|Trilader]] ([[User talk:Trilader|talk]])<br />
* Parcel deliveries had a procedure outlined at [[Parcel deliveries]] to keep them manageable, but somehow people still sent packages to the terrain without following the procedure, maybe something to add to the info booklet/advertise more?<br />
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=== Press / Media coverage ===<br />
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* Put your feedback here :)<br />
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=== Productiehuis / C3VOC ===<br />
* MOST EXCELLENT WORK!! -- [[User:Ahu|Ahu]] ([[User talk:Ahu|talk]])<br />
* The video-quality of the (few) talks I watched online was good, and I saw some nice fade effects. [[User:Fhp|Fhp]] ([[User talk:Fhp|talk]])<br />
* The hard cutoff of the intro tune annoys me every time. [[User:Fhp|Fhp]] ([[User talk:Fhp|talk]])<br />
* Kudos to the C3VOC! That was awesome! Video quality was excellent and the fact that each talk appeared in the C3 media archive only a couple of hours later impressed me very much. That is better service than many (or most?) commercial providers deliver. You people are fantastic! -- [[User:Mosquito|Mosquito]] ([[User talk:Mosquito|talk]])<br />
* Nothing short of amazing -- [[User:Raboof|Raboof]] ([[User talk:Raboof|talk]])<br />
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=== Projectleiding ===<br />
* Thank you for your work. -- [[User:Justelex|Justelex]] ([[User talk:Justelex|talk]])<br />
** +1 Agreement from my side -- [[User:Foorschtbar|Foorschtbar]] ([[User talk:Foorschtbar|talk]])<br />
** ++ -- [[User:M10|M10]] ([[User talk:M10|talk]])<br />
* <3 -- [[User:Raboof|Raboof]] ([[User talk:Raboof|talk]])<br />
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=== ROC ===<br />
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* Wheeze and his team did a excellent job! <br />
* Good work by the warehouse team for doing the battery swaps, saved a lot of time! [[User:MrLinux|MrLinux]]<br />
* Nice we had the HAM radio repeater! [[User:MrLinux|MrLinux]]<br />
* The ROC team lacked a bit on publicity, improvement for 2025! [[User:MrLinux|MrLinux]]<br />
* A QSL-wall could be an idea for 2025! [[User:MrLinux|MrLinux]]<br />
* We missed the VERON at the event [[User:MrLinux|MrLinux]]<br />
* Excellent Job. A Laminated card with "Radio rules" and the Channel distribution would be a nice thing to be handed out next time. -- [[User:Justelex|Justelex]] ([[User talk:Justelex|talk]])<br />
** Would definitely be good, just like enforcing the language on the radio, e.g. in a channel that was supposed to be explicitly in English, Dutch was often spoken anyway -- [[User:j0chen|j0chen]] ([[User talk:j0chen|talk]])<br />
* Next time after the DECT comes up, require as many radios as you can to be returned, forcing teams to use dect. Way better audio, point to point connections and people actually being reachable. -- [[User:Sebastius|Sebastius]] ([[User talk:Sebastius|talk]])<br />
* The audio quality sucked. Problem with the chosen technology, i know. Most conversations were completely unintelligible. -- [[User:Sebastius|Sebastius]] ([[User talk:Sebastius|talk]])<br />
* Teach people how to use the radio properly. I still don't know which name goes first etc. -- [[User:Sebastius|Sebastius]] ([[User talk:Sebastius|talk]])<br />
* Reconsider channel system. It happened too often that people were calling/listening on the wrong channel. [[User:Flimpie|Flimpie]] ([[User talk:Flimpie|talk]]) 22:38, 1 August 2022 (CEST)<br />
* Educate people on radio etiquette and how to properly talk into a radio. Yelling/speaking too quietly/having too much BG noise, combined with DMR compression creates inaudible speech [[User:Flimpie|Flimpie]] ([[User talk:Flimpie|talk]]) 22:38, 1 August 2022 (CEST)<br />
* Ensuring that the correct language is spoken. I heard a lot of Dutch during some security angelshifts, even though the channel was supposed to be in English. -- [[User:j0chen|j0chen]] ([[User talk:j0chen|talk]])<br />
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=== Safety / stewards / first aid / Fire Marshalls ===<br />
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* Phone numbers or other contact information was hard to find at the beginning of the event, added to the wiki later. --[[User:Juerd|Juerd]] ([[User talk:Juerd|talk]]) 20:47, 30 July 2022 (CEST)<br />
* There were no backup mobile phone numbers (at least none published) for reaching the safety teams in case of infrastructure outage, and they were unreachable when the network was down. --[[User:Juerd|Juerd]] ([[User talk:Juerd|talk]]) 20:47, 30 July 2022 (CEST)<br />
* Security: Bike path was open to all, so technically anyone could get on the terrain without a ticket. Which meant at least a few unwelcome visitors. - [[User:Noor|Noor]] ([[User talk:Noor|talk]])<br />
* I was surprised that the fire extinguishers were the first things being collected from our village (Geraffel) during teardown. At this time we still had a lot of people staying and as murphy wills, the fat bowl of our our barbecue catched fire afterwards. Fortunately nothing bad happened but my expectation would be to have extinguishers available until rented tents are torn down / all visitors are gone. At lease in large villages like ours. -- [[User:Cyb3rk41|Cyb3rk41]] ([[User talk:Cyb3rk41|talk]])<br />
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=== Shuttle services (train station, and luggage on site) ===<br />
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* Shuttle drop-off point on field should have been marked somewhere on the maps or wiki, during build-up. I spent forever asking around trying to find the drop-off point, only to find it at heaven. - [[User:Noor|Noor]] ([[User talk:Noor|talk]])<br />
* Shuttle was efficient and worked well when I used it -- [[User:SK|SK]] ([[User talk:SK|talk]])<br />
* Shuttle ticket was a bit last-minute and unclear (i.e. afaik never produced an actual "ticket", which lead to questions - and in the end was more like a donation than a strictly-required ticket) -- [[User:SK|SK]] ([[User talk:SK|talk]])<br />
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=== Supermarket ===<br />
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* The supermarket was a really valuable addition to the event, and probably saved lots of fuel and time for people. I found the prices acceptable, and the choice of products was surprisingly broad! --[[User:Juerd|Juerd]] ([[User talk:Juerd|talk]]) 20:47, 30 July 2022 (CEST)<br />
** +1 Agreement from my side -- [[User:Foorschtbar|Foorschtbar]] ([[User talk:Foorschtbar|talk]])<br />
* Supermarket was a great thing and I hope we'll have it at the next event. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])<br />
* Supermarket was wonderful, it felt like being back in civilization again and I could just zip inside to get a drink or breakfast for the next morning. - [[User:Noor|Noor]] ([[User talk:Noor|talk]])<br />
* was very useful to have and surprisingly well-stocked (i.e. not just packaged junk food). Next time they'll know to bring less soft-drinks and more Ethernet/USB/... cables ;) -- [[User:SK|SK]] ([[User talk:SK|talk]])<br />
* Guests from abroad struggled to make use of the supermarket, since it didn't accept foreign cards and there was no ATM on site. -- [[User:HerraBRE|HerraBRE]]<br />
* The supermarket was a really good idea, however my card was not accepted so I was very dependent on cash - Very limited without an ATM on camp. -- [[User:j0chen|j0chen]] ([[User talk:j0chen|talk]])<br />
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=== Sysadmin / bofh ===<br />
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* Having had to deal with the crumbling of central infrastructure in other events, I really appreciated the stability of the wiki and Engelsystem before and throughout the event. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])<br />
* Engelsystem and wiki could've used longer login sessions. Every time I tried to quickly check my angel shifts I had to login again. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])<br />
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=== Terrain ===<br />
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* The western way to quiet camping was not accessible: so narrow that you can only go one way at a time and a huge log being in the way.<br />
** I actually opened it up significantly with a trolley, it had 1,5m high weeds on it and was almost overgrown. [[User:SA007|SA007]] ([[User talk:SA007|talk]])<br />
* The quiet camping area (Wilson field) turned out to be quite crammed and could be bigger for the next event. I assume this was caused by the scouts taking some of that area due to the unfortunate double booking. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])<br />
* The quiet camping really missed a shower container, nearest was the family village, a 15 mins walk. (with sha2017 there was one) [[User:MrLinux|MrLinux]]<br />
* Not something really on us, I knew that the public bike path was to remain open. Most bikers were considerable in slowing down when crossing the Backbone at least, but some seemed to really adamant to enforce the negative stereotypes of people on road bikes. Create some speed bumps with cable ramps next time maybe? -- [[User:Dany|Dany]] ([[User talk:Dany|talk]])<br />
* It would have been good to (more strongly) encourage people with small children to camp in Family Zone and not Quiet Camping (Wilson field). It's unreasonable to expect small children to be quiet all the time, and yet this is what is expected on Wilson. Maybe we can make that clearer. [[User:Moem|Moem]] ([[User talk:Moem|talk]]) 13:49, 31 July 2022 (CEST)<br />
* really loved having the orga tents on the south trunk. For next time, maybe only have those teams on there that actually interact with visitors. -- [[User:Sebastius|Sebastius]] ([[User talk:Sebastius|talk]])<br />
* Next time maybe also place some villages on the south trunk road, the south trunk looked a bit 'dead' now with only orga tents. -- [[User:Sebastius|Sebastius]] ([[User talk:Sebastius|talk]])<br />
* The Zuse 'aux' path over the dike was weird and not signed properly, I walked it at night and actually looked at the map on my phone where the spot should be to get down off the dike. The path seemed to be 'walk up the dike', 'don't see any hint on where the path should be going...', 'look it up', 'walk ~150m to the left without any clue if it is the correct way' 'suddenly find a path down again'. [[User:SA007|SA007]] ([[User talk:SA007|talk]])<br />
* For me, it was the first hacker camp and i like the terrain with the ways, water, lakes, woods etc. much more than other camps, where all tens be a on a very large field -- [[User:Foorschtbar|Foorschtbar]] ([[User talk:Foorschtbar|talk]])<br />
** It was the same for me and I'm also a big fan of the terrain. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])<br />
* The online map was great - would be nice to 'level it up' for next time: searching on the map, better interlinking with the wiki, export to OsmAnd in a way that allows searching as well, mobile usability, etc -- [[User:Raboof|Raboof]] ([[User talk:Raboof|talk]])<br />
* Having the online map was great, but I wish to have something more optimized for mobile devices for the next event. Performance was poor (in mobile Firefox at least) and I totally missed the options menu for showing villages. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])<br />
* The online map was great, but I worked a lot with printed maps which were all outdated. I dont expect daily printouts, but during the teardown, the maps were still at the level of Day 0, where much has already been moved. Due to the missing Village function, the webmap was not an alternative for me.<br />
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=== Ticket and Entrance ===<br />
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* Just works! Thank u -- [[User:Foorschtbar|Foorschtbar]] ([[User talk:Foorschtbar|talk]])<br />
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=== Toilets / Showers ===<br />
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* The maintenance crew for the toilets/showers did a great job, IMHO, those facilities where usually in very good shape. [[User:Alxndr|Alxndr]] ([[User talk:Alxndr|talk]])<br />
** +1 Agreement from my side -- [[User:Foorschtbar|Foorschtbar]] ([[User talk:Foorschtbar|talk]])<br />
** +1 All facilities were great, better than anything I'm used to -- [[User:j0chen|j0chen]] ([[User talk:j0chen|talk]])<br />
** +1 -- [[User:Bronsen|Bronsen]] ([[User talk:Bronsen|talk]])<br />
* Easily the best showers of any hacker camp I've been to. -- [[User:Q3k|Q3k]] ([[User talk:Q3k|talk]])<br />
* There should have been showers closer to the quiet camping area. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])<br />
* This has been my first hacker camp and I don't know the "hacker camp standards" on showers but I know a lot of music festivals. Compared to this, I must say the showering experience was simply great! I always had warm water and never had to queue and this is something I NEVER experienced on any festival yet - I'm used to waiting and then having cold water only. -- [[User:Cyb3rk41|Cyb3rk41]] ([[User talk:Cyb3rk41|talk]])<br />
* Having urinals in all places where normal toilets were available would greatly have contributed to the cleanliness of the toilets, I suppose. -- [[User:Cyb3rk41|Cyb3rk41]] ([[User talk:Cyb3rk41|talk]])<br />
** +1 Agreement from my side -- [[User:Foorschtbar|Foorschtbar]] ([[User talk:Foorschtbar|talk]])<br />
* The showers and toilets were GREAT. Well done everyone involved! Random suggestion: it was warm enough that I would actually have welcomed a (cheaper and more eco-friendly?) cold shower option. -- [[User:HerraBRE|HerraBRE]]<br />
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=== Villages ===<br />
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* It is useful that villages are distributed over the field beforehand, but I think it would be reasonable to expect villages to 'lay their claim' physically on day 0 at the latest, and from day 1 onwards have any remaining empty space welcome unaffiliated hackers. Forcing unaffiliated hackers onto designated "free for all" areas seems like an antipattern to me. It might be better to have 'dots' on the map rather than 'areas' for distributing the villages, to promote more flexibility? Perhaps we can make pretty 'poles' to put into the ground saying "Village X will be around here, and is a small/medium/big village" for orientation? -- [[User:Raboof|Raboof]] ([[User talk:Raboof|talk]])<br />
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=== Village tent/furniture rental (Moebelhaus) ===<br />
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* Our tent ended up being rotated by pi/2 compared to the map. This ended up totally throwing off what we were planning. We managed regardless, but it'd be great if in the future these maps would actually reflect reality :). -- [[User:Q3k|Q3k]] ([[User talk:Q3k|talk]])<br />
* Our tent was leaking, especially on the connector between modules. -- [[User:Q3k|Q3k]] ([[User talk:Q3k|talk]])<br />
* Don't see a spot for team tents. The Deco tent had a steel bar all around the bottom, making it really annoying with carts and a trip hazard. [[User:SA007|SA007]] ([[User talk:SA007|talk]])<br />
* Great service, very useful, good stuff. It would be nice to have some way to see which furniture was still 'in flight' and which had already been delivered, to catch missing/misdelivered furniture earlier -- [[User:Raboof|Raboof]] ([[User talk:Raboof|talk]])<br />
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=== Visitors ===<br />
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* Most visitors were excellent, as always. But in the next few years when thinking of the next event, we should probably talk about people who I guess must be new to this community, that are incredibly lax with the photo/filming policy, and behave like consumers instead of participants. --[[User:Juerd|Juerd]] ([[User talk:Juerd|talk]]) 20:49, 30 July 2022 (CEST)<br />
** agreed, many post in social media contain lots of peoples faces. I doubt that everyone was asked for permission.<br />
* I suspect that there were quite a lot of 'visitors' that didn't have a ticket on site walking around besides the scouts. [[User:SA007|SA007]] ([[User talk:SA007|talk]])<br />
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=== Volunteering / Angels ===<br />
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* Providing the angels with reusable water bottles was a very good idea. [[User:Alxndr|Alxndr]] ([[User talk:Alxndr|talk]])<br />
** Agreed -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])<br />
** +1 - I did use it a lot more than I expected at first, which was probably quite healthy to do -- [[User:SK|SK]] ([[User talk:SK|talk]])<br />
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==== Volunteering ====<br />
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==== Angel Food ====<br />
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* My only complaint about Mecklenb[öoøu]rg(er)? is that I still don't know how to spell their name. The food is wonderful, the people are great too! --[[User:Juerd|Juerd]] ([[User talk:Juerd|talk]]) 20:51, 30 July 2022 (CEST)<br />
** +1 Agreement from my side. The only thing i missed was more sorts of tea. i buyed one box of peppermint tea bags, and they where empty in 1h which means the people like it (more)!? -- [[User:Foorschtbar|Foorschtbar]] ([[User talk:Foorschtbar|talk]])<br />
* The food was great, as always :) -- [[User:Pinoaffe|Pinoaffe]] ([[User talk:Pinoaffe|talk]])<br />
* The angel food was incredible. One of the highlights of this event. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])<br />
* Angel food was mostly great, except for the dinner on day 0 and some dishes otherwise. I'd also have appreciated some sort of meat at least every other day. - [[User:Noor|Noor]] ([[User talk:Noor|talk]])<br />
* As always very good. Only complaint lack of coffee mugs -- [[User:SK|SK]] ([[User talk:SK|talk]])<br />
** Ha! I think i did order them, but for some reason we didn't get them. Will make a note for next time. -- [[User:Sebastius|Sebastius]] ([[User talk:Sebastius|talk]])<br />
* The Angel food was to die for (sorry, couldn't resist), big thanks to the Mecklenb[öoøu]rg(er) crew for that. Didn't miss a meat option at all. -- [[User:Dany|Dany]] ([[User talk:Dany|talk]])<br />
* I want a Mecklenbørger for my next birthday. It was just so relaxing to know that the kitchen was completely meat-free. [[User:Moem|Moem]] ([[User talk:Moem|talk]]) 13:52, 31 July 2022 (CEST)<br />
* Great food just like at SHA, and nice to have no worries about things containing meat :) -- [[User:F0x|F0x]] ([[User talk:F0x|talk]])<br />
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==== Angel Kitchen ====<br />
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* Dishwashing was a lot more manageable than at previous events, thanks to the fact that there as more equipment available. -- [[User:Pinoaffe|Pinoaffe]] ([[User talk:Pinoaffe|talk]])<br />
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==== Angel desk and Angel system ====<br />
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* I'd really like it if the Engelsystem alert emails contained the actual update in the email content. I'd get spammed with email notifications and if I wanted to actually read the update, I'd have to click through and login to the Engelsystem. I just ended up leaving most of those updates unread throughout the day. - [[User:Noor|Noor]] ([[User talk:Noor|talk]])<br />
* Would be nice if the angelsystem was more usable on mobile -- [[User:Raboof|Raboof]] ([[User talk:Raboof|talk]])<br />
* The login sessions could have been a bit longer, I was constantly kicked out when I just wanted to look up something. -- [[User:j0chen|j0chen]] ([[User talk:j0chen|talk]])<br />
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==== Heaven ====<br />
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* I assume this was just some miscommunication etc, but the outdoor seating was removed too early, esp given covid situation. Otherwise all good. -- [[User:SK|SK]] ([[User talk:SK|talk]])<br />
** Yeah, it happened when i wasn't looking. We should have moved some tables outside. -- [[User:Sebastius|Sebastius]] ([[User talk:Sebastius|talk]])<br />
* The rules for core-team people (which were doing shifts outside the angel-system) for the heaven food should be made more clear. [[User:MrLinux|MrLinux]]<br />
** That was actually really clear. Your teamlead might not have communicated it to you. Red wristband for 'full time work during event' and vouchers obtainable by teamleads for those doing work outside of the angel system. -- [[User:Sebastius|Sebastius]] ([[User talk:Sebastius|talk]])<br />
* I dearly wish we would have had the time to decorate Heaven. Unfortunately, the loss of time during buildup (*shakes fist at the weather gods*) made that impossible. The tent itself was splendid, so spacious. [[User:Moem|Moem]] ([[User talk:Moem|talk]]) 13:54, 31 July 2022 (CEST)<br />
** Ah well, we did a little by ourselves with the parasols, and it was fine! Next time! -- [[User:Sebastius|Sebastius]] ([[User talk:Sebastius|talk]])<br />
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=== Warehouse ===<br />
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* Warehouse did a really great job. And I requested some really strange things. They even got Powercables and a Compressor for repairing the Flamethrowers. -- [[User:Justelex|Justelex]] ([[User talk:Justelex|talk]])<br />
** +1 Agreement from my side -- [[User:Foorschtbar|Foorschtbar]] ([[User talk:Foorschtbar|talk]])<br />
* Warehouse should maybe stock more small stepladders, I feel they were regularly all in use. Otherwise great supplies. [[User:SA007|SA007]] ([[User talk:SA007|talk]])<br />
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=== Waste / garbage / trash ===<br />
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* Slightly sad that trash was just split into “glass” and “everything else”. It'd be nice if we could at least recycle cardboard/paper! -- [[User:Q3k|Q3k]] ([[User talk:Q3k|talk]])<br />
** Agreed. Throwing everything into the "Other Waste" containers felt wrong. I understand this was on the waste company dropping the ball. Let's make sure this won't happen at the next event. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])<br />
** +1 Agreement from my side -- [[User:Foorschtbar|Foorschtbar]] ([[User talk:Foorschtbar|talk]])<br />
** That was the supplier dropping the ball in almost every category. It was in the plan (i co-wrote it) -- [[User:Sebastius|Sebastius]] ([[User talk:Sebastius|talk]])<br />
* an awful lot of mate etc bottles ended up in glass trash I think - the later-deployed bottle collection crates helped with that -- [[User:SK|SK]] ([[User talk:SK|talk]])<br />
** Yeah that happened last time too. We did plan for drop points. Not sure why the points weren't deployed earlier by team Bar. -- [[User:Sebastius|Sebastius]] ([[User talk:Sebastius|talk]])</div>Bronsenhttps://wiki.mch2022.org/index.php?title=Feedback&diff=18124Feedback2022-08-03T16:43:44Z<p>Bronsen: /* Bars and food court */ acceptable quality, high price; homecooking is best</p>
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=== General / overall ===<br />
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* So happy about the progressive pride and Antifa flag on the tower<br />
* Awesome event again, thanks to everyone who did their part to making it such -- [[User:SK|SK]] ([[User talk:SK|talk]])<br />
* It was fantastic and I am already stoked for the next one! -- [[User:Mosquito|Mosquito]] ([[User talk:Mosquito|talk]])<br />
** +1 Agreement from my side -- [[User:Foorschtbar|Foorschtbar]] ([[User talk:Foorschtbar|talk]])<br />
* I had a great camp overall, it was way more comfortable than I'd expected and things seemed to run smoothly. Being greeted by progressive pride flag on the Orga tent and tower instantly made me feel at ease. -- [[User:Dany|Dany]] ([[User talk:Dany|talk]])<br />
* would be a really good idea to water the ways more often, to prevent the dust. -- [[User:Justelex|Justelex]] ([[User talk:Justelex|talk]])<br />
** I'd be afraid this would quickly turn into mud, and I prefer dust to mud -- [[User:Pinoaffe|Pinoaffe]] ([[User talk:Pinoaffe|talk]])<br />
* It seems that there was so much time spend on nice to haves and to little on must haves resulting in quite a few people beeing totally burned out, I really wonder if its worth it organizing it again next year at this size with this much "consumers" visiting and maybe just going back to a smaller size is nicer, the big presence of sponsors also did not help with this feeling. -- [[User:Erik|Erik]] ([[User talk:Erik|talk]])<br />
** I am not quite sure where you saw those "consumers", especially since that would be quite a high entry price for a consumer (no daytickets and all). As far as I know we didn't finish selling all tickets so it was smaller then expected even. Although I do understand that you are longing for a smaller sized event (there are definitely a couple of those out there), I dearly hope that this event will even grow, since it is quite nice to have more and new people being interested and learning more. Sponsors I am unsure about, since I do know they were a big help in financing the whole event. With the point of being to burned out, that might be a problem of scheduling and volunteering, since there were around ~400 volunteers for the whole event (officially).<br />
** Don't worry, next year is not a thing, we do this every four years (Corona volente). As for the size of the event, for me it's just about right as it was this year, but opinions can and will always differ. If you like a cosy, small event that happens next year, Bornhack might be your thing.[[User:Moem|Moem]] ([[User talk:Moem|talk]])<br />
* Still amazed by the amount of creativity and community, so many people sharing what they love and are good at -- [[User:Raboof|Raboof]] ([[User talk:Raboof|talk]])<br />
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=== Arrival / departure / parking / train shuttle / luggage shuttle ===<br />
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* I was surprised twice that empty places in the field were apparently claimed. It was not clear to me that people had staked out places already on the wiki. This would seem to me one of The Most Important Things To Tell People: "whatever is on the wiki wins". Or perhaps abolish that, also fine by me, but in any case be very clear about it. I could also do with an AR app or so that shows me what people claimed :-) -- [[User:Ahu|Ahu]] ([[User talk:Ahu|talk]])<br />
** Next time we should plan some areas for 'those without village', i heard they were planned for this time but they might have gotten lost with the last minute rearranging due to the double booking. -- [[User:Sebastius|Sebastius]] ([[User talk:Sebastius|talk]])<br />
** (moved my feedback here to [[Feedback#Villages]]) -- [[User:Raboof|Raboof]] ([[User talk:Raboof|talk]])<br />
* Last day of the event felt kinda "lost" as people were beginning to tear things down from early on in the day well before the closing event. Was bit of a weird mood/feeling. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])<br />
** +1 Agreement from my side -- [[User:Foorschtbar|Foorschtbar]] ([[User talk:Foorschtbar|talk]])<br />
** While it is pretty normal for many people to already pack their things on the last day, the problem was certainly exacerbated by the fact that a roundmail on day 4 told all villages that their rented tents had to be "cleaned and empty" no later than 17:30 on day 5. That really gave villages no choice but to tear everything down during daytime on day 5. [[User:PoempelFox|PoempelFox]] ([[User talk:PoempelFox|talk]])<br />
* The parking area was way better then at Sha. A Regular people shuttle on the field with one or two 4+ seater golfcarts would be awesome for pregnant / people that can't walk long distances and so on. (Maybe also on call would be enough) -- [[User:Justelex|Justelex]] ([[User talk:Justelex|talk]])<br />
* "Shuttle goes when it goes" without any indication how long it will take is no option for people who have to catch their train/flight. We had many questions and complaints at the infodesk. A schedule would be great. -- [[User:Sirgoofy|sirgoofy]]<br />
* The shuttle stop changed during the event. It would be great to have a dedicated shuttle stop (with sign and timetable) during the event.<br />
* The payment system for the shuttle was too complicated. We had many questions about buying tickets at the infodesk. People tried to buy tickets in the online shop, but had problems getting their order paid. It would be better to make it free, or allow to pay in cash in the shuttle.<br />
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=== Badge ===<br />
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* Very well-made and polished badge, really surprised me with the effort put into it and its versatility! [[User:Vurpo|Vurpo]] ([[User talk:Vurpo|talk]]) 21:07, 30 July 2022 (CEST) <br />
** +1 Agreement from my side -- [[User:Foorschtbar|Foorschtbar]] ([[User talk:Foorschtbar|talk]])<br />
** +1 -- [[User:Bronsen|Bronsen]] ([[User talk:Bronsen|talk]])<br />
* The badge is really nice, but the price of MCH admission is already hindering people we'd like to reach. Perhaps do consider if we really need it. -- [[User:Ahu|Ahu]] ([[User talk:Ahu|talk]])<br />
* Awesome badge, I had a lot of fun tinkering with it during camp and always received helpful advice in the IRC channel. Please keep this project going! [[User:Alxndr|Alxndr]] ([[User talk:Alxndr|talk]])<br />
* The badge is amazing! However, I feel bad that my badges from previous events barely got used and this one is likely to suffer the same fate. For environmental/cost reasons, I kinda wish I could have opted out. Alternately, if there were a way to hand my badge in after the event and know it would be used for educational purposes later on, I would have given it up a heartbeat. -- [[User:HerraBRE|HerraBRE]]<br />
* Really love the badge, it inspired me to try micropython for the first time. Also I find it to be a piece of art, the PCB design is just great. On the other side, I'm also sceptical on the ecological aspects. I fear that many hackers will not use it anymore after the event or even never use it at all. Maybe it would be a good idea to offer badges as an option instead of giving everyone a piece. -- [[User:Cyb3rk41|Cyb3rk41]] ([[User talk:Cyb3rk41|talk]])<br />
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=== Bars and food court ===<br />
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* The capacity of the food-stands was quite low, which resulted in long waiting times. Not good with hungry kids. [[User:Fhp|Fhp]] ([[User talk:Fhp|talk]])<br />
* Agree with above: low capacity for the commercial food stands. They also didn't seem to grasp the concept of 'lunch'. I expected them to be up and running around 13.00, but most of them weren't, resulting in even longer lines at the places that were open earlier. -- [[User:Dany|Dany]] ([[User talk:Dany|talk]])<br />
* The food stands I've visited (Wok, Fries) had poor in-person advertising of everything that they were actually selling and how much it cost. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])<br />
** Agreed. Menu and pricing was often hard to read -- [[User:j0chen|j0chen]] ([[User talk:j0chen|talk]])<br />
* The Johny Cash Burger was great but mostly I fed on waffles by the awesome C3WOC <3. And of course one can rely on the Italian Hackers' Embassy for excellent pasta and Italian Grappa. By the way... is there a Spanish or French Embassy with similar services? Would put that on my checklist for the next camp. ;-) Oh and Angel Food was also great and healthy. Didn't miss meat there, eating more veg is better for the environment anyways. Thanks for the opportunity! Conclusion: Wide range, many choices, very good! -- [[User:Mosquito|Mosquito]] ([[User talk:Mosquito|talk]])<br />
* Frietsaus is not Mayo. [[User:MrLinux|MrLinux]]<br />
* The split layout of the bar/food area didn't really work. You couldn't see all in one go, so most people only visited one bar making a huge queue there. -- [[User:Sebastius|Sebastius]] ([[User talk:Sebastius|talk]])<br />
* Coffee vendor people had no idea what they were doing. Literally not knowing what a Latte Machiatto is while it's on their menu. -- [[User:Sebastius|Sebastius]] ([[User talk:Sebastius|talk]])<br />
* Next time get food vendors from several companies instead of using one single source. Yes it's more work to set up but this time the overall quality was not great (but acceptable). -- [[User:Sebastius|Sebastius]] ([[User talk:Sebastius|talk]])<br />
* Next time also get some vendors who do varied meals (every day a different choice, like the vegan place at CCCamp2019) at competitive pricing. -- [[User:Sebastius|Sebastius]] ([[User talk:Sebastius|talk]])<br />
** +1 I think some vendors (pizza) had very little choice, which has not changed. -- [[User:j0chen|j0chen]] ([[User talk:j0chen|talk]])<br />
* Next time allow Mecklenborger to also have a food-truck for the general public on camp. -- [[User:Sebastius|Sebastius]] ([[User talk:Sebastius|talk]]) +1<br />
* Overall nice. Might be good to promote villages that have good capacity for selling food as well somehow, to make it more 'integrated'? -- [[User:Raboof|Raboof]] ([[User talk:Raboof|talk]])<br />
** especially the C3WOC with their delicious waffles -- [[User:j0chen|j0chen]] ([[User talk:j0chen|talk]])<br />
* Unfortunately the bars were out of the larger plastic glasses very soon. -- [[User:Kokx|Kokx]] ([[User talk:Kokx|talk]])<br />
* the commercial food vendors I tried had good quality but rather high prices; so I was glad for the big kitchen in our village -- [[User:Bronsen|Bronsen]] ([[User talk:Bronsen|talk]])<br />
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=== Buildup and teardown ===<br />
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* As one of the persons who collected what felt like a kilometre of Flatterband at teardown, and removed a pile of pegs it was attached to, I would like to thank those buildup angels who didn't sink the pegs below ground level. You made my job a lot easier! :) [[User:Alxndr|Alxndr]] ([[User talk:Alxndr|talk]])<br />
** +1 Agreement from my side -- [[User:Foorschtbar|Foorschtbar]] ([[User talk:Foorschtbar|talk]])<br />
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=== COVID19 precautions ===<br />
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* Thanks for caring about ventilation. [https://grafana.mch2022.org/d/q9gZutJ7z/mch2022?orgId=1&viewPanel=30&from=1658492800367&to=1658853839068 CO2 meters] and open sides weren't in place during the opening talk, but this was fixed quickly after and I heard the security team kept an eye on the graphs. --[[User:Juerd|Juerd]] ([[User talk:Juerd|talk]]) 20:43, 30 July 2022 (CEST)<br />
* I liked the availability of masks and self tests for those who forgot to bring their own. I've heard about a few dozen people who got infected, but there were probably more. Thanks to the rapid tests and the heroes who chose to isolate, we may have averted a disastrous superspreading event. --[[User:Juerd|Juerd]] ([[User talk:Juerd|talk]]) 22:02, 30 July 2022 (CEST)<br />
** +1 Agreement from my side -- [[User:Foorschtbar|Foorschtbar]] ([[User talk:Foorschtbar|talk]])<br />
** Very much appreciated the easy availability of masks and rapid tests. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])<br />
* It would have been good to switch from recommended to required mask wearing, at least indoors, once it became clear that "personal responsibility" wasn't working out (even in this community, what a disappointment). [[User:Alxndr|Alxndr]] ([[User talk:Alxndr|talk]])<br />
** Agreeing on all points. Was also a bit disappointed. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])<br />
** Its quite hard to do that in a country where this is not a rule anymore.<br />
* It was good to request/require mask wearing in the food queue in Heaven. It would have been even better to do it from the very beginning. [[User:Moem|Moem]] ([[User talk:Moem|talk]]) 09:20, 31 July 2022 (CEST)<br />
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=== Cohesion ===<br />
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* Put your feedback here :)<br />
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=== Content / talks / heralds / speakerdesk / AV / recordings ===<br />
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* In the end it worked pretty well, but perhaps do ponder having some "known good" presenter laptops/devices available. This has worked very well for other conferences. I used a 200 euro Chromebook with a throwaway google account. -- [[User:Ahu|Ahu]] ([[User talk:Ahu|talk]])<br />
* This is a matter of taste - if you light up the speakers real well, the audience can enjoy a well lighted speaker. But the speaker then often can't see the audience. And during my talks, I love to actually see the audience. This was better in 2017 (at least in Abacus and Battery). -- [[User:Ahu|Ahu]] ([[User talk:Ahu|talk]])<br />
* The speaker desk and the room to work is absolutely ACE. -- [[User:Ahu|Ahu]] ([[User talk:Ahu|talk]])<br />
* Very friendly and helpful people at the speakerdesk and also Heralds and other Angels. Dry running my laptop with the monitor at the Speaker Desk before the talk made me much calmer once I knew that worked. Thank you! -- [[User:Mosquito|Mosquito]] ([[User talk:Mosquito|talk]])<br />
* had the opposite experience: crablab forgot giving me a speaker badge and was not very hospitable "i'd prefer if you bought your mate at the bar" the single time I asked for one in order to work on my slides -- [[User:Fraxinas|Fraxinas]] ([[User talk:Fraxinas|talk]])<br />
* Generally felt welcome as a speaker, thanks! I didn't end up using the speaker area as it felt a bit like a 'fish tank' being so exposed to the main road (but that might be a personal hang-up ;) ) -- [[User:Raboof|Raboof]] ([[User talk:Raboof|talk]])<br />
* It would have been nice to have a more 'integrated' programme containing both the 'curated' content and the 'self-organized' sessions. It was nice that some self-organized sessions were added to https://program.mch2022.org but it'd be even nicer to have that 'direct' somehow -- [[User:Raboof|Raboof]] ([[User talk:Raboof|talk]])<br />
* It would have been nice to have an officially-recommended app - Giggity worked great on Android, just promoting that more might have been a good start -- [[User:Raboof|Raboof]] ([[User talk:Raboof|talk]])<br />
* It would be nice to cross-link the schedule with the livestreams/recordings better -- [[User:Raboof|Raboof]] ([[User talk:Raboof|talk]])<br />
* Several of the workshop presenters said they would make their presentations available, but the majority is unfindable. I did understand a presentation can be added to the schedule, but it is hard to spot that this has actually been done. Maybe an independent index with such material can be made and material actively requested? -- [[User:M10|M10]] ([[User talk:M10|talk]])<br />
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=== CTF ===<br />
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* The CTF as a whole was excellent. Really interesting challenges on multiple categories and I still think this is the best CTF I have attended. Even the easy challenges had nice twists to them, no basic "'or 1=1;-- = flag" here. -- [[User:Onja|Onja]]<br />
* Both the competitors and the organizers I chatted with were very nice and passionate. Organizers gave good hints without giving too much away on couple of the challenges when we were stuck. -- [[User:Onja|Onja]]<br />
* There were plenty of beverages to keep us going, hard part was to remember to eat something once in a while. <br />
* Only complaint I have is about the ctf area: the outside tent was mostly more trouble than it was worth with wind trying to blow the whole tent away and the inside got crowded pretty fast. DT lounge area was nice but I'm not 1337 h4x0r enough to sit there 4 days in a row, my back will kill me. :D -- [[User:Onja|Onja]]<br />
* Looking forward to reading challenge writeups (I still want to hear the creators thoughts on Coinflip even though we eventually managed to solve it). Also I agree that Coinflip was one of the tougher challenges, should have been 200 pts (whine, whine). -- [[User:Onja|Onja]]<br />
* Summary: We will definitely be back next time! -- [[User:Onja|Onja]]<br />
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=== Decoration / design ===<br />
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* Well done all around -- [[User:SK|SK]] ([[User talk:SK|talk]]) 01:07, 31 July 2022 (CEST)<br />
* The design was so colorful and well thought out, it gave team Deco a lot to work with. Great job! [[User:Moem|Moem]] ([[User talk:Moem|talk]]) 09:22, 31 July 2022 (CEST) <br />
** +1 Agreement from my side -- [[User:Foorschtbar|Foorschtbar]] ([[User talk:Foorschtbar|talk]])<br />
* The deco was really cool, I especially liked the UV-reactive strings that gave the illusion of lasers and the super cute felt plants in the Silent Lounge. -- [[User:Dany|Dany]] ([[User talk:Dany|talk]])<br />
* Both design and deco were amazing! Also great that it was available beforehand, including the 'generator', so villages etc could use it in their preparations as well -- [[User:Raboof|Raboof]] ([[User talk:Raboof|talk]])<br />
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=== Family / kids ===<br />
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* Great vibe at the zone \o/<br />
* Maybe one or two hot water faucets would be useful (for baby care, for dishwashing, etc)<br />
* Sponsors like to party, maybe keep that in mind when planning in the noise gradient<br />
* As someone without kids I love that people feel welcome to bring theirs, and the atmosphere that comes with that. Accidentally ran into the "balloon folding (for adults)" workshop which was hilarious. Great fun. -- [[User:Raboof|Raboof]] ([[User talk:Raboof|talk]])<br />
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=== Finance / coins / payments ===<br />
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* Payment by card worked mostly well, other than the supermarket not accepting international cards. My main issue was that the payment system was not well enough explained before the actual event! The blog post and wiki page were pretty long and still left me confused about what the actual payment system on the field was going to end up being. Even a simple "TL;DR we will use regular international payment cards with chip/contactless" would have helped me. [[User:Vurpo|Vurpo]] ([[User talk:Vurpo|talk]]) 21:04, 30 July 2022 (CEST)<br />
* I asked at several bars and the food court where I could get the prepaid card for the MCH payment system, but nobody knew, so I ended up using my regular payment card. [[User:Alxndr|Alxndr]] ([[User talk:Alxndr|talk]]<br />
** The MCH payment system only was operational from day 1 (with paper QR codes) and the ability to print them on plastic cards was added later - [[User:Noor|Noor]]<br />
** yeah communication could have been better, the main problem was that most of it was arranged by one single person (never a good idea). Next time we need to find more people who work on the financial/tickets stuff. <br />
* I liked the idea of the cashless QR-code, especially the later upgrade to a "hard card" rather than just a stub of thermal paper. Avoids using the big payment providers and frees one of having to carry around cash. However I would've loved seeing more universal acceptance around the event (for example at the supermarket). -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])<br />
** +1 Agreement from my side. I missed also the acceptance at the Merch stand -- [[User:Foorschtbar|Foorschtbar]] ([[User talk:Foorschtbar|talk]])<br />
* As a foreigner visiting, I was VERY happy that I could use my card to tap and pay almost everywhere. Get the supermarket on board next time and you get a perfect score from me! The QR code system also worked quite well (I took payment at the bar a few times). I was impressed, well done. - [[User:HerraBRE|HerraBRE]]<br />
* Payment with payment cards in combination with PIN code failed. (only contactless worked, until the 50 euro weekly limit was reached.) [[User:MrLinux|MrLinux]]<br />
* The payment system is too complex and impractical for such an event. At the infodesk there were many questions and complaints on the payment system. People were confused about whether their bank card is accepted or wanted to buy QR-codes with their cards. There were many complaints about the complexity of the payment system. Normally, payment on such events is straightforward (give some money, get a drink). I guess this complicated system also restrained people from buying drinks (just a gut feeling from the number of bottles collected on the field by Team BOC). There were also many people complaining that they could not get unused money from the QR codes (because they had to leave early or came too late). -- [[User:Sirgoofy|sirgoofy]]<br />
* The payment system encouraged people not to bring cash, with is a huge issue for villages -- [[User:Sirgoofy|sirgoofy]]<br />
** Many villages rely on donations to cover costs, e.g., for food or parts for workshops, like the Italian Embassy, Millyways, Team Badge, c3woc (waffles), Chaos Post. Donations in cash are straightforward and understandable. Handling cashless donations is complicated (especially for people donating), expensive (i.e., fees), and requires bank accounts (which many villages don't have as they're just a bunch of people and no legal instance).<br />
** Cashless donations would be handy, though. Many international visitors don't have cash.<br />
** It would be great if people could donate using the QR code system (and buy QR codes cashless) -- [[User:Sirgoofy|sirgoofy]]<br />
* The MCH Payment system was a great benefit. Also that a plastic card could be created that was clearly more robust than the QR code on thermal paper.... Unfortunately, the machine took a long time to accept a bill. In addition, it would be nice to be able to recharge cards so that you can get through the camp with a printed card without directly charging one huge amount. -- [[User:j0chen|j0chen]] ([[User talk:j0chen|talk]])<br />
* An ATM would be great next time. My card was declined most of the time, so I reliant on my cash (and an ATM outside of camp) -- [[User:j0chen|j0chen]] ([[User talk:j0chen|talk]])<br />
** Or a possibility to get some cash at a desk or so? Cash needed to be handled anyway for the QR codes -- [[User:Sirgoofy|sirgoofy]]<br />
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=== Harbour / Ferry ===<br />
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* Loved the ferry service not as much as a shuttle to the other side of the water way, but as a way to enjoy some quiet time and a light breeze to (mentally) recharge away from the event. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])<br />
* The Ferry Service was great, and especially the operating hours where great. -- [[User:Justelex|Justelex]] ([[User talk:Justelex|talk]]) +1<br />
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=== Information / infodesk / wiki ===<br />
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* The infodesk should've been open for longer/as long as possible. (background: I've sat on the NOC helpdesk a bunch of times after the last infodesk angles were gone and dealt with quite a few people that were originally looking for the helpdesk; also being able to respond to infodesk calls for longer). -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])<br />
* Would be nice if the wiki was more usable on mobile -- [[User:Raboof|Raboof]] ([[User talk:Raboof|talk]])<br />
* The infodesk should be open earlier, at least starting day 0. It was unfortunate that the furniture was late (w/o desk no infodesk) -- [[User:Sirgoofy|sirgoofy]]<br />
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=== Lounges ===<br />
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* Silent lounge was very well done. Nicely decorated and people behaving very considerate (i.e. really tried to be silent). No wonder that it was popular to the point where it could've used more pillows. I was worried that people would start camping inside the lounge (similar things happen at congress for example), but that didn't turn out to be true. I've seen plenty of people taking a nap away from the noise of the event, but thankfully nobody started living inside the lounge. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])<br />
* Besides the silent lounge, I wish there were more places for people, especially for those without a village, to relax in the shade near an Ethernet port and power outlet. In the harbour there was the wood table with tent roof and the bar with a couple of seats, but both away from power outlets. Otherwise, besides the couple of deckchairs, we mostly hard hard wooden benches near the food court without shade (and no power sockets). -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])<br />
** +1 agreed, a few dedicated shaded outdoor spots would've been nice -- [[User:SK|SK]] ([[User talk:SK|talk]])<br />
** +1 I was going to write the same. Seating on the western part of the food court was hardly used because there was no shadow. Everyone was cramped beneath the roof tent in front of the east bar. On previous events there were more public spaces with roofing, sofas, bean bags, power and network. Nice place with hammocks at the speaker desk but also now shadow. Roof tents would also provide shelter in case of rain (as experienced on previous camps).<br />
** +1 I'd enjoy that as well! Perhaps with some way to announce what you're working on to encourage spontaneous conversations? Not sure how that would work though -- [[User:Raboof|Raboof]] ([[User talk:Raboof|talk]])<br />
** +1 A few shady sitting areas for hackers without Village; with sockets and ethernet sockets would have been very pleasant especially in the sunny and warm weather. -- [[User:j0chen|j0chen]] ([[User talk:j0chen|talk]])<br />
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=== Merchandise ===<br />
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* The designs look great, I'm a fan of the asymmetry and the patterned sleeves. Not being able to go a size up or down from what you ordered online was kind of disappointing. Not a major issue for myself but I know of several people who were sad about this. The [[merch exchange]] is not a great solution, but better than nothing. --[[User:Juerd|Juerd]] ([[User talk:Juerd|talk]]) 20:54, 30 July 2022 (CEST)<br />
** That mostly was the result of not receiving as many units as we ordered, sadly. -- [[User:Sebastius|Sebastius]] ([[User talk:Sebastius|talk]])<br />
* Merch was great: Awesome design and high quality. Preodering saved me from having to stay in a (humongous) line in the heat. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])<br />
* I absolutely love the hexagonal patterns and diagrams, but the amount of purple/pink was enough to keep me from buying more than a hat (that, and sizes being too big for me). - [[User:Noor|Noor]] ([[User talk:Noor|talk]])<br />
* Nice merch, despite at first not being a fan of the design. Option to preorder is great. -- [[User:SK|SK]] ([[User talk:SK|talk]])<br />
* OK so maybe I'm a dinosaur, but if I'd known that "fitted" was inclusive for "ladies", I wouldn't have ordered a way-too-small T-shirt. Not a complaint really, but maybe that could have been explained better? Help us old farts get with the program! :-D<br />
** 'Fitted' does not mean 'ladies', it means snug and cut to cling to the body, not baggy and loose. I know plenty of gentlemen who prefer that style. [[User:Moem|Moem]] ([[User talk:Moem|talk]])<br />
* Love the zipper design and quality, will be one of my favourite pieces from now on :) Preorder and pickup was easy and a great option to avoid long queues at the merch booth. -- [[User:Cyb3rk41|Cyb3rk41]] ([[User talk:Cyb3rk41|talk]])<br />
* I love how the shirts and hoodies look, but I'm worried about how well they will hold up when being washed. The rainbow looks like it will fall off just like the yellow SHA robot did. You hardly see the SHA shirts being worn anymore... but OHM and even HAR shirts, yes. [[User:Moem|Moem]] ([[User talk:Moem|talk]])<br />
** +1 love the looks but concerned about the large areas (beam/rainbow) as well - those already seemed to have faded a bit from being folded up in a damp tent... -- [[User:Raboof|Raboof]] ([[User talk:Raboof|talk]])<br />
* Loved that there were angel shirts in a different color than black again ;) -- [[User:Raboof|Raboof]] ([[User talk:Raboof|talk]])<br />
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=== Miscellaneous ===<br />
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* Swan family was pretty relaxed with all the people and activity, camping out in the middle of the terrain. - [[User:Noor|Noor]] ([[User talk:Noor|talk]]<br />
* It would be nice to have some angel-staffed dishwashing station (with manual rinse and commercial dishwashers) somewhere, to help with saving water and time, and to increase general hygiene (we all know how camp dish cleanliness standards go...) -- [[User:Q3k|Q3k]] ([[User talk:Q3k|talk]])<br />
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=== Music/laser stage / silent disco / Symphony of Fire ===<br />
* The music/laser stage was not a great fit for the event. It drained the villages and talk tents, making those less interesting. Also the whole separate 'party area' does not work for me. I would not miss it if we didn't have one next time. -- [[User:Sebastius|Sebastius]] ([[User talk:Sebastius|talk]])<br />
* No clue why we had a music stage, but if we for some reason must have one, why not have hacker-music on it (e.g. robotic instruments, chiptunes, etc), it was mostly filled with mediocre covers of songs unrelated to the event entirely. [[User:SA007|SA007]] ([[User talk:SA007|talk]])<br />
* Party area was WAY too spacious for the amount of people using it. -- [[User:Sebastius|Sebastius]] ([[User talk:Sebastius|talk]])<br />
* Loved the silent disco setup though. Also really loved it being used at night to allow the byte battle thingie to take place. -- [[User:Sebastius|Sebastius]] ([[User talk:Sebastius|talk]])<br />
* Having hacker built flame throwers which normally look awesome mounted on a commercial stage actually takes away the home-built hacker vibe of those flame throwers. -- [[User:Sebastius|Sebastius]] ([[User talk:Sebastius|talk]])<br />
* Music stage with the flamethrowers, and Symphony of Fire were awesome. - [[User:Noor|Noor]] ([[User talk:Noor|talk]])<br />
* Very well done. Silent disco was a neat solution to the inherent noise conflicts. What exactly is going on could have been a bit more detailed in the schedule, some people were sad they missed interesting things because they didn't realize who was playing. -- [[User:SK|SK]] ([[User talk:SK|talk]])<br />
* For me, the music stage did not really add anything that I would miss if it dit not happen again on a next event. Symphony of Fire was indeed awesome, I wonder if they could have played on a raised podium so more people could have seen what was happening. [[User:Moem|Moem]] ([[User talk:Moem|talk]]) 09:27, 31 July 2022 (CEST)<br />
** +1 -- [[User:Fraxinas|Fraxinas]] ([[User talk:Fraxinas|talk]])<br />
** +1 Agreement from my side -- [[User:Foorschtbar|Foorschtbar]] ([[User talk:Foorschtbar|talk]])<br />
** +1 Symphony of Fire was *the* main act at the stages, a raised podium or bigscreen would have been great that more people can see something. Especially the crowding is perhaps a bit critical with regard to the COVID measures. -- [[User:j0chen|j0chen]] ([[User talk:j0chen|talk]])<br />
* Silent disco was so much fun! More, later, longer please! Seems like a great solution for us party animals who don't want calm after 2am. - [[User:HerraBRE|HerraBRE]]<br />
* Music stage was to loud, to horrible and went on for way to long it and nowhere on the terrain you did not hear it, making sleeping almost impossible for people who actually need proper sleep (yes quiet camping was also to loud). -- [[User:Erik|Erik]] ([[User talk:Erik|talk]])<br />
* Silent disco was a great idea. But for the next time, I'd appreciate it if it wasn't just announced in advance, but if there was also information about the technology, e.g. where/if I can get suitable headphones myself or on which frequencies it runs, so that I can build a receiver myself. As far as I have heard, it was probably possible to receive the radio on the entire camp? -- [[User:j0chen|j0chen]] ([[User talk:j0chen|talk]])<br />
* three points<br />
# The main stage did not have good sound, despite the the row of massive loudspeakers in front. <br />
# Flames were fantastic.<br />
# Big screen was good. -- [[User:Bronsen|Bronsen]] ([[User talk:Bronsen|talk]])<br />
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=== NOC / Network ===<br />
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* My SFP+ module got to stay in a datenklo. A++++ would camp again. -- [[User:Q3k|Q3k]] ([[User talk:Q3k|talk]])<br />
* Datenklos were sorely missing some CYBER(tm) reflective foil wrapping -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])<br />
** There was a plan for nice aluminium foil/plated cardboard skins with the field name and other decorations on it, but the weather during buildup threw a spanner into that idea... [[User:SA007|SA007]] ([[User talk:SA007|talk]])<br />
** +1 Agreement from my side -- [[User:Foorschtbar|Foorschtbar]] ([[User talk:Foorschtbar|talk]])<br />
* Some system for releasing cables from the datenklo switches at teardown would help. I couldn't recover my uplink cable and then later realised I left without it. Maybe give a key to a nearby village person that would release cables that have no more active link on a regular basis? -- [[User:M10|M10]] ([[User talk:M10|talk]])<br />
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=== Power ===<br />
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* Thank you very much for not cutting power off after the closing event as at SHA. -- [[User:Malaclypse|Malaclypse]] ([[User talk:Malaclypse|talk]])<br />
** +1 Agreement from my side -- [[User:Foorschtbar|Foorschtbar]] ([[User talk:Foorschtbar|talk]])<br />
* I was really happy to have power available until the very end on wednesday! Thanks for that! -- [[User:Cyb3rk41|Cyb3rk41]] ([[User talk:Cyb3rk41|talk]])<br />
** Agreed. Having power for as long as possible was great. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])<br />
* The priklichtjes (festoon lights on poles) were a very welcome addition by Team:Power. [[User:Moem|Moem]] ([[User talk:Moem|talk]])<br />
** They helped me greatly in navigating the terrain in the dark, indicating where the paths where between the villages. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])<br />
*** +1 very nice for indicating paths between tents and nature. -- [[User:j0chen|j0chen]] ([[User talk:j0chen|talk]])<br />
* Very impressed with the PowerTeam, kudos! And we learned an important lesson (the hard way) that long PVC cables lying in wet grass will suck up moisture and trip the 'aardlek' (RCD?). This could be written a lot better in the power wiki page so people can prepare better. Now the neoprene cables are only recommended as the better quality, but not that PVC has negative effects, like taking out two villages for a few hours. -- [[User:M10|M10]] ([[User talk:M10|talk]])<br />
:* In general, the cable should be rated for outdoor usage. PVC cables for outdoor use do exist (and are really nice to use because they're more flexible, especially when it's cold), so a simple list of materials doesn't work. (In case you're interested: harmonized cable types have the material encoded in the type, H05RR-F for example means H = harmonized, 05 = 300V, R = rubber inner insulation, R = rubber outer insulation, F = fine stranded. Neoprene is usually identified as RN, indoor PVC as VV, outdoor PVC as V3V3 (e.g. H05V3V3-F). Not sure if listing all outdoor capable material codes would work; just look for "rated for outdoor use"; the IP44 schuko plug with the ring is a good proxy/heuristic for that.) Oh, and by the way, neoprene can also suck up moisture over time! It's just usually slow enough :) --[[User:Juerd|Juerd]] ([[User talk:Juerd|talk]])<br />
* Basically everything worked, I could imagine that a distribution of the generators across the camp is perhaps better. At the CCCamp 2019, each larger area had its own generator, so iirc there was never a full blackout. Important systems then simply get two generators (redundancy!). -- [[User:j0chen|j0chen]] ([[User talk:j0chen|talk]])<br />
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=== Off-Site Logistics ===<br />
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* Off-site logistics was a mess, during buildup the schedule was changed drastically without communication about it, we ended up waiting 9 hours for a truck that was smaller than promised requiring a second trip. Teardown I drove the van myself. [[User:SA007|SA007]] ([[User talk:SA007|talk]])<br />
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=== On-Site Logistics ===<br />
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* Gators are too loud, you can't hear each other inside a tent if they drive by. [[User:SA007|SA007]] ([[User talk:SA007|talk]])<br />
** IIRC electric vehicles were unavaible from the local rental companies, unfortunately [[User:Flimpie|Flimpie]] ([[User talk:Flimpie|talk]]) 22:38, 1 August 2022 (CEST)<br />
** +1 The gators were also so loud that you could barely understand/use the radio when you were sitting in it -- [[User:j0chen|j0chen]] ([[User talk:j0chen|talk]])<br />
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=== Other music/noise (outside the official party area) ===<br />
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* Please NEVER allow Holoplot to be on the field ever again. And if that is impossible to prevent, at least NOT do a late night party with that system. The volume OUTSIDE the tent was horrifying. -- [[User:Sebastius|Sebastius]] ([[User talk:Sebastius|talk]])<br />
* Bit torn on this one. It is a party event, but there was way too much loud music post 2 AM. Some of us do need sleep. I know, weak etc. I don't recall seeing a clear policy on what is acceptable, might be behind people feeling ok cranking up the volume after midnight. -- [[User:Ahu|Ahu]] ([[User talk:Ahu|talk]])<br />
* The Retro Arcade area was an absolute nuisance at night. They were blasting the neighbouring villages with shitty music and drunken yelling until 2 or 3 am pretty much every day. I can think of several words for this kind of behaviour, and none of them rhyme with "excellent". [[User:Alxndr|Alxndr]] ([[User talk:Alxndr|talk]])<br />
** +1 They also played the same 7 shitty songs each night. Seemed like most of the participants were corporates (BlueHatHacker, etc.). The whole thing felt pretty unfit for MCH. -- [[User:JT|JT]] ([[User talk:JT|talk]])<br />
* It seems like while the official policy was 'no noise after 1AM', it wasn't actively enforced for most cases - and I think that enabled people to also treat it a bit more like a hint rather than a rule? Perhaps for future events we should have numerical 'loudness' scores for all fields, forming a gradient, with a higher score letting people be louder and party later, and actually enforce that. That way loud people can camp in loud villages, while those who need peace and quiet can camp in quiet villages. -- [[User:Q3k|Q3k]] ([[User talk:Q3k|talk]])<br />
** I think this was sort-of implemented based on village input, but the usual event fields are just a bit too small for that to work reliably -- [[User:SK|SK]] ([[User talk:SK|talk]])<br />
* This was both badly communicated (FAQ said "until midnight", apparently the actual rule was from 1 am?) and not usefully enforced. Arcade area right next to family village especially apparently could do whatever they wanted. This makes awesome ideas like silent disco for the "official" music stage sadly quite moot. -- [[User:SK|SK]] ([[User talk:SK|talk]])<br />
* second-hand, but if security (i.e. the contact listed for noise complaints on the front page of this wiki!) really responded to calls about this with "don't call us unless there's an actual emergency" some rules seriously need to be re-established -- [[User:SK|SK]] ([[User talk:SK|talk]])<br />
* at the same time small villages further into the "louder sector" (i.e. away from family/silent camping) were told off for having any music on low volume -- [[User:SK|SK]] ([[User talk:SK|talk]])<br />
* Our village was placed in a party area. That was unfortunate. Next time I'll camp in a quiet are even if that means being far away from the village I am interested in. Geraffel adhered to the 1am quiet policy (yay!) but others didn't. They went on till after 4.30 and didn't honor complaints. -- [[User:Mosquito|Mosquito]] ([[User talk:Mosquito|talk]])<br />
* I was sad there was no place to party and dance after 2am. I agree people who want quiet should be able to enjoy quiet, but in a perfect camp there would be room for both. -- [[User:HerraBRE|HerraBRE]]<br />
* The distribution of the Villages and party zones was perhaps not quite ideal, felt the Family Zone (which had asked for quiet) was in the middle of the Party Zone (based on the noise / music) -- [[User:j0chen|j0chen]] ([[User talk:j0chen|talk]])<br />
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=== POC / Dect / Fieldphones ===<br />
* I couldn't find advance information as to when the phone / DECT network would be shut off on the wiki, having such information would be useful (but I may just have been looking in the wrong place) -- [[User:Pinoaffe|Pinoaffe]] ([[User talk:Pinoaffe|talk]])<br />
* DECT coverage was great around the whole camp area. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])<br />
** +1 Agreement from my side -- [[User:Foorschtbar|Foorschtbar]] ([[User talk:Foorschtbar|talk]])<br />
* DECT self-registration worked great (have been used to it for a while now from congress). -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])<br />
** +1 Agreement from my side -- [[User:Foorschtbar|Foorschtbar]] ([[User talk:Foorschtbar|talk]])<br />
* DECT was switched off too early. DECT is mandatory for teardown, especially as the gsm coverage is quite bad -- [[User:Sirgoofy|sirgoofy]]<br />
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=== Parcel deliveries ===<br />
* Many people that ordered things to the field were (seemingly) unaware of how parcel deliveries were supposed to work. This caused unnecessary overhead. -- [[User:Pinoaffe|Pinoaffe]] ([[User talk:Pinoaffe|talk]])<br />
* Collaborating with C3Post may be worthwhile for a next event, though they may not want to deal with large packages. -- [[User:Pinoaffe|Pinoaffe]] ([[User talk:Pinoaffe|talk]])<br />
** Delivering anything of real value sounds like a bad idea (on big events). Besides being way more effort than postcards, parcels (pending delivery) would require (secure-ish) storage space while not out for relivery or if the first delivery attempt failed. We'd also need extra couriers and not hand deliveries out to random passing-by hackers, which also leaks the info on the parcel (such as tracking numbers) to said random hackers. Also some postcards just got lost/didn't get delivered, which would be a real issue with parcels. -- [[User:Trilader|Trilader]] ([[User talk:Trilader|talk]])<br />
* Parcel deliveries had a procedure outlined at [[Parcel deliveries]] to keep them manageable, but somehow people still sent packages to the terrain without following the procedure, maybe something to add to the info booklet/advertise more?<br />
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=== Press / Media coverage ===<br />
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* Put your feedback here :)<br />
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=== Productiehuis / C3VOC ===<br />
* MOST EXCELLENT WORK!! -- [[User:Ahu|Ahu]] ([[User talk:Ahu|talk]])<br />
* The video-quality of the (few) talks I watched online was good, and I saw some nice fade effects. [[User:Fhp|Fhp]] ([[User talk:Fhp|talk]])<br />
* The hard cutoff of the intro tune annoys me every time. [[User:Fhp|Fhp]] ([[User talk:Fhp|talk]])<br />
* Kudos to the C3VOC! That was awesome! Video quality was excellent and the fact that each talk appeared in the C3 media archive only a couple of hours later impressed me very much. That is better service than many (or most?) commercial providers deliver. You people are fantastic! -- [[User:Mosquito|Mosquito]] ([[User talk:Mosquito|talk]])<br />
* Nothing short of amazing -- [[User:Raboof|Raboof]] ([[User talk:Raboof|talk]])<br />
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=== Projectleiding ===<br />
* Thank you for your work. -- [[User:Justelex|Justelex]] ([[User talk:Justelex|talk]])<br />
** +1 Agreement from my side -- [[User:Foorschtbar|Foorschtbar]] ([[User talk:Foorschtbar|talk]])<br />
** ++ -- [[User:M10|M10]] ([[User talk:M10|talk]])<br />
* <3 -- [[User:Raboof|Raboof]] ([[User talk:Raboof|talk]])<br />
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=== ROC ===<br />
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* Wheeze and his team did a excellent job! <br />
* Good work by the warehouse team for doing the battery swaps, saved a lot of time! [[User:MrLinux|MrLinux]]<br />
* Nice we had the HAM radio repeater! [[User:MrLinux|MrLinux]]<br />
* The ROC team lacked a bit on publicity, improvement for 2025! [[User:MrLinux|MrLinux]]<br />
* A QSL-wall could be an idea for 2025! [[User:MrLinux|MrLinux]]<br />
* We missed the VERON at the event [[User:MrLinux|MrLinux]]<br />
* Excellent Job. A Laminated card with "Radio rules" and the Channel distribution would be a nice thing to be handed out next time. -- [[User:Justelex|Justelex]] ([[User talk:Justelex|talk]])<br />
** Would definitely be good, just like enforcing the language on the radio, e.g. in a channel that was supposed to be explicitly in English, Dutch was often spoken anyway -- [[User:j0chen|j0chen]] ([[User talk:j0chen|talk]])<br />
* Next time after the DECT comes up, require as many radios as you can to be returned, forcing teams to use dect. Way better audio, point to point connections and people actually being reachable. -- [[User:Sebastius|Sebastius]] ([[User talk:Sebastius|talk]])<br />
* The audio quality sucked. Problem with the chosen technology, i know. Most conversations were completely unintelligible. -- [[User:Sebastius|Sebastius]] ([[User talk:Sebastius|talk]])<br />
* Teach people how to use the radio properly. I still don't know which name goes first etc. -- [[User:Sebastius|Sebastius]] ([[User talk:Sebastius|talk]])<br />
* Reconsider channel system. It happened too often that people were calling/listening on the wrong channel. [[User:Flimpie|Flimpie]] ([[User talk:Flimpie|talk]]) 22:38, 1 August 2022 (CEST)<br />
* Educate people on radio etiquette and how to properly talk into a radio. Yelling/speaking too quietly/having too much BG noise, combined with DMR compression creates inaudible speech [[User:Flimpie|Flimpie]] ([[User talk:Flimpie|talk]]) 22:38, 1 August 2022 (CEST)<br />
* Ensuring that the correct language is spoken. I heard a lot of Dutch during some security angelshifts, even though the channel was supposed to be in English. -- [[User:j0chen|j0chen]] ([[User talk:j0chen|talk]])<br />
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=== Safety / stewards / first aid / Fire Marshalls ===<br />
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* Phone numbers or other contact information was hard to find at the beginning of the event, added to the wiki later. --[[User:Juerd|Juerd]] ([[User talk:Juerd|talk]]) 20:47, 30 July 2022 (CEST)<br />
* There were no backup mobile phone numbers (at least none published) for reaching the safety teams in case of infrastructure outage, and they were unreachable when the network was down. --[[User:Juerd|Juerd]] ([[User talk:Juerd|talk]]) 20:47, 30 July 2022 (CEST)<br />
* Security: Bike path was open to all, so technically anyone could get on the terrain without a ticket. Which meant at least a few unwelcome visitors. - [[User:Noor|Noor]] ([[User talk:Noor|talk]])<br />
* I was surprised that the fire extinguishers were the first things being collected from our village (Geraffel) during teardown. At this time we still had a lot of people staying and as murphy wills, the fat bowl of our our barbecue catched fire afterwards. Fortunately nothing bad happened but my expectation would be to have extinguishers available until rented tents are torn down / all visitors are gone. At lease in large villages like ours. -- [[User:Cyb3rk41|Cyb3rk41]] ([[User talk:Cyb3rk41|talk]])<br />
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=== Shuttle services (train station, and luggage on site) ===<br />
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* Shuttle drop-off point on field should have been marked somewhere on the maps or wiki, during build-up. I spent forever asking around trying to find the drop-off point, only to find it at heaven. - [[User:Noor|Noor]] ([[User talk:Noor|talk]])<br />
* Shuttle was efficient and worked well when I used it -- [[User:SK|SK]] ([[User talk:SK|talk]])<br />
* Shuttle ticket was a bit last-minute and unclear (i.e. afaik never produced an actual "ticket", which lead to questions - and in the end was more like a donation than a strictly-required ticket) -- [[User:SK|SK]] ([[User talk:SK|talk]])<br />
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=== Supermarket ===<br />
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* The supermarket was a really valuable addition to the event, and probably saved lots of fuel and time for people. I found the prices acceptable, and the choice of products was surprisingly broad! --[[User:Juerd|Juerd]] ([[User talk:Juerd|talk]]) 20:47, 30 July 2022 (CEST)<br />
** +1 Agreement from my side -- [[User:Foorschtbar|Foorschtbar]] ([[User talk:Foorschtbar|talk]])<br />
* Supermarket was a great thing and I hope we'll have it at the next event. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])<br />
* Supermarket was wonderful, it felt like being back in civilization again and I could just zip inside to get a drink or breakfast for the next morning. - [[User:Noor|Noor]] ([[User talk:Noor|talk]])<br />
* was very useful to have and surprisingly well-stocked (i.e. not just packaged junk food). Next time they'll know to bring less soft-drinks and more Ethernet/USB/... cables ;) -- [[User:SK|SK]] ([[User talk:SK|talk]])<br />
* Guests from abroad struggled to make use of the supermarket, since it didn't accept foreign cards and there was no ATM on site. -- [[User:HerraBRE|HerraBRE]]<br />
* The supermarket was a really good idea, however my card was not accepted so I was very dependent on cash - Very limited without an ATM on camp. -- [[User:j0chen|j0chen]] ([[User talk:j0chen|talk]])<br />
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=== Sysadmin / bofh ===<br />
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* Having had to deal with the crumbling of central infrastructure in other events, I really appreciated the stability of the wiki and Engelsystem before and throughout the event. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])<br />
* Engelsystem and wiki could've used longer login sessions. Every time I tried to quickly check my angel shifts I had to login again. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])<br />
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=== Terrain ===<br />
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* The western way to quiet camping was not accessible: so narrow that you can only go one way at a time and a huge log being in the way.<br />
** I actually opened it up significantly with a trolley, it had 1,5m high weeds on it and was almost overgrown. [[User:SA007|SA007]] ([[User talk:SA007|talk]])<br />
* The quiet camping area (Wilson field) turned out to be quite crammed and could be bigger for the next event. I assume this was caused by the scouts taking some of that area due to the unfortunate double booking. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])<br />
* The quiet camping really missed a shower container, nearest was the family village, a 15 mins walk. (with sha2017 there was one) [[User:MrLinux|MrLinux]]<br />
* Not something really on us, I knew that the public bike path was to remain open. Most bikers were considerable in slowing down when crossing the Backbone at least, but some seemed to really adamant to enforce the negative stereotypes of people on road bikes. Create some speed bumps with cable ramps next time maybe? -- [[User:Dany|Dany]] ([[User talk:Dany|talk]])<br />
* It would have been good to (more strongly) encourage people with small children to camp in Family Zone and not Quiet Camping (Wilson field). It's unreasonable to expect small children to be quiet all the time, and yet this is what is expected on Wilson. Maybe we can make that clearer. [[User:Moem|Moem]] ([[User talk:Moem|talk]]) 13:49, 31 July 2022 (CEST)<br />
* really loved having the orga tents on the south trunk. For next time, maybe only have those teams on there that actually interact with visitors. -- [[User:Sebastius|Sebastius]] ([[User talk:Sebastius|talk]])<br />
* Next time maybe also place some villages on the south trunk road, the south trunk looked a bit 'dead' now with only orga tents. -- [[User:Sebastius|Sebastius]] ([[User talk:Sebastius|talk]])<br />
* The Zuse 'aux' path over the dike was weird and not signed properly, I walked it at night and actually looked at the map on my phone where the spot should be to get down off the dike. The path seemed to be 'walk up the dike', 'don't see any hint on where the path should be going...', 'look it up', 'walk ~150m to the left without any clue if it is the correct way' 'suddenly find a path down again'. [[User:SA007|SA007]] ([[User talk:SA007|talk]])<br />
* For me, it was the first hacker camp and i like the terrain with the ways, water, lakes, woods etc. much more than other camps, where all tens be a on a very large field -- [[User:Foorschtbar|Foorschtbar]] ([[User talk:Foorschtbar|talk]])<br />
** It was the same for me and I'm also a big fan of the terrain. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])<br />
* The online map was great - would be nice to 'level it up' for next time: searching on the map, better interlinking with the wiki, export to OsmAnd in a way that allows searching as well, mobile usability, etc -- [[User:Raboof|Raboof]] ([[User talk:Raboof|talk]])<br />
* Having the online map was great, but I wish to have something more optimized for mobile devices for the next event. Performance was poor (in mobile Firefox at least) and I totally missed the options menu for showing villages. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])<br />
* The online map was great, but I worked a lot with printed maps which were all outdated. I dont expect daily printouts, but during the teardown, the maps were still at the level of Day 0, where much has already been moved. Due to the missing Village function, the webmap was not an alternative for me.<br />
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=== Ticket and Entrance ===<br />
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* Just works! Thank u -- [[User:Foorschtbar|Foorschtbar]] ([[User talk:Foorschtbar|talk]])<br />
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=== Toilets / Showers ===<br />
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* The maintenance crew for the toilets/showers did a great job, IMHO, those facilities where usually in very good shape. [[User:Alxndr|Alxndr]] ([[User talk:Alxndr|talk]])<br />
** +1 Agreement from my side -- [[User:Foorschtbar|Foorschtbar]] ([[User talk:Foorschtbar|talk]])<br />
** +1 All facilities were great, better than anything I'm used to -- [[User:j0chen|j0chen]] ([[User talk:j0chen|talk]])<br />
** +1 -- [[User:Bronsen|Bronsen]] ([[User talk:Bronsen|talk]])<br />
* Easily the best showers of any hacker camp I've been to. -- [[User:Q3k|Q3k]] ([[User talk:Q3k|talk]])<br />
* There should have been showers closer to the quiet camping area. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])<br />
* This has been my first hacker camp and I don't know the "hacker camp standards" on showers but I know a lot of music festivals. Compared to this, I must say the showering experience was simply great! I always had warm water and never had to queue and this is something I NEVER experienced on any festival yet - I'm used to waiting and then having cold water only. -- [[User:Cyb3rk41|Cyb3rk41]] ([[User talk:Cyb3rk41|talk]])<br />
* Having urinals in all places where normal toilets were available would greatly have contributed to the cleanliness of the toilets, I suppose. -- [[User:Cyb3rk41|Cyb3rk41]] ([[User talk:Cyb3rk41|talk]])<br />
** +1 Agreement from my side -- [[User:Foorschtbar|Foorschtbar]] ([[User talk:Foorschtbar|talk]])<br />
* The showers and toilets were GREAT. Well done everyone involved! Random suggestion: it was warm enough that I would actually have welcomed a (cheaper and more eco-friendly?) cold shower option. -- [[User:HerraBRE|HerraBRE]]<br />
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=== Villages ===<br />
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* It is useful that villages are distributed over the field beforehand, but I think it would be reasonable to expect villages to 'lay their claim' physically on day 0 at the latest, and from day 1 onwards have any remaining empty space welcome unaffiliated hackers. Forcing unaffiliated hackers onto designated "free for all" areas seems like an antipattern to me. It might be better to have 'dots' on the map rather than 'areas' for distributing the villages, to promote more flexibility? Perhaps we can make pretty 'poles' to put into the ground saying "Village X will be around here, and is a small/medium/big village" for orientation? -- [[User:Raboof|Raboof]] ([[User talk:Raboof|talk]])<br />
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=== Village tent/furniture rental (Moebelhaus) ===<br />
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* Our tent ended up being rotated by pi/2 compared to the map. This ended up totally throwing off what we were planning. We managed regardless, but it'd be great if in the future these maps would actually reflect reality :). -- [[User:Q3k|Q3k]] ([[User talk:Q3k|talk]])<br />
* Our tent was leaking, especially on the connector between modules. -- [[User:Q3k|Q3k]] ([[User talk:Q3k|talk]])<br />
* Don't see a spot for team tents. The Deco tent had a steel bar all around the bottom, making it really annoying with carts and a trip hazard. [[User:SA007|SA007]] ([[User talk:SA007|talk]])<br />
* Great service, very useful, good stuff. It would be nice to have some way to see which furniture was still 'in flight' and which had already been delivered, to catch missing/misdelivered furniture earlier -- [[User:Raboof|Raboof]] ([[User talk:Raboof|talk]])<br />
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=== Visitors ===<br />
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* Most visitors were excellent, as always. But in the next few years when thinking of the next event, we should probably talk about people who I guess must be new to this community, that are incredibly lax with the photo/filming policy, and behave like consumers instead of participants. --[[User:Juerd|Juerd]] ([[User talk:Juerd|talk]]) 20:49, 30 July 2022 (CEST)<br />
** agreed, many post in social media contain lots of peoples faces. I doubt that everyone was asked for permission.<br />
* I suspect that there were quite a lot of 'visitors' that didn't have a ticket on site walking around besides the scouts. [[User:SA007|SA007]] ([[User talk:SA007|talk]])<br />
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=== Volunteering / Angels ===<br />
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* Providing the angels with reusable water bottles was a very good idea. [[User:Alxndr|Alxndr]] ([[User talk:Alxndr|talk]])<br />
** Agreed -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])<br />
** +1 - I did use it a lot more than I expected at first, which was probably quite healthy to do -- [[User:SK|SK]] ([[User talk:SK|talk]])<br />
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==== Volunteering ====<br />
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==== Angel Food ====<br />
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* My only complaint about Mecklenb[öoøu]rg(er)? is that I still don't know how to spell their name. The food is wonderful, the people are great too! --[[User:Juerd|Juerd]] ([[User talk:Juerd|talk]]) 20:51, 30 July 2022 (CEST)<br />
** +1 Agreement from my side. The only thing i missed was more sorts of tea. i buyed one box of peppermint tea bags, and they where empty in 1h which means the people like it (more)!? -- [[User:Foorschtbar|Foorschtbar]] ([[User talk:Foorschtbar|talk]])<br />
* The food was great, as always :) -- [[User:Pinoaffe|Pinoaffe]] ([[User talk:Pinoaffe|talk]])<br />
* The angel food was incredible. One of the highlights of this event. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])<br />
* Angel food was mostly great, except for the dinner on day 0 and some dishes otherwise. I'd also have appreciated some sort of meat at least every other day. - [[User:Noor|Noor]] ([[User talk:Noor|talk]])<br />
* As always very good. Only complaint lack of coffee mugs -- [[User:SK|SK]] ([[User talk:SK|talk]])<br />
** Ha! I think i did order them, but for some reason we didn't get them. Will make a note for next time. -- [[User:Sebastius|Sebastius]] ([[User talk:Sebastius|talk]])<br />
* The Angel food was to die for (sorry, couldn't resist), big thanks to the Mecklenb[öoøu]rg(er) crew for that. Didn't miss a meat option at all. -- [[User:Dany|Dany]] ([[User talk:Dany|talk]])<br />
* I want a Mecklenbørger for my next birthday. It was just so relaxing to know that the kitchen was completely meat-free. [[User:Moem|Moem]] ([[User talk:Moem|talk]]) 13:52, 31 July 2022 (CEST)<br />
* Great food just like at SHA, and nice to have no worries about things containing meat :) -- [[User:F0x|F0x]] ([[User talk:F0x|talk]])<br />
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==== Angel Kitchen ====<br />
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* Dishwashing was a lot more manageable than at previous events, thanks to the fact that there as more equipment available. -- [[User:Pinoaffe|Pinoaffe]] ([[User talk:Pinoaffe|talk]])<br />
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==== Angel desk and Angel system ====<br />
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* I'd really like it if the Engelsystem alert emails contained the actual update in the email content. I'd get spammed with email notifications and if I wanted to actually read the update, I'd have to click through and login to the Engelsystem. I just ended up leaving most of those updates unread throughout the day. - [[User:Noor|Noor]] ([[User talk:Noor|talk]])<br />
* Would be nice if the angelsystem was more usable on mobile -- [[User:Raboof|Raboof]] ([[User talk:Raboof|talk]])<br />
* The login sessions could have been a bit longer, I was constantly kicked out when I just wanted to look up something. -- [[User:j0chen|j0chen]] ([[User talk:j0chen|talk]])<br />
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==== Heaven ====<br />
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* I assume this was just some miscommunication etc, but the outdoor seating was removed too early, esp given covid situation. Otherwise all good. -- [[User:SK|SK]] ([[User talk:SK|talk]])<br />
** Yeah, it happened when i wasn't looking. We should have moved some tables outside. -- [[User:Sebastius|Sebastius]] ([[User talk:Sebastius|talk]])<br />
* The rules for core-team people (which were doing shifts outside the angel-system) for the heaven food should be made more clear. [[User:MrLinux|MrLinux]]<br />
** That was actually really clear. Your teamlead might not have communicated it to you. Red wristband for 'full time work during event' and vouchers obtainable by teamleads for those doing work outside of the angel system. -- [[User:Sebastius|Sebastius]] ([[User talk:Sebastius|talk]])<br />
* I dearly wish we would have had the time to decorate Heaven. Unfortunately, the loss of time during buildup (*shakes fist at the weather gods*) made that impossible. The tent itself was splendid, so spacious. [[User:Moem|Moem]] ([[User talk:Moem|talk]]) 13:54, 31 July 2022 (CEST)<br />
** Ah well, we did a little by ourselves with the parasols, and it was fine! Next time! -- [[User:Sebastius|Sebastius]] ([[User talk:Sebastius|talk]])<br />
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=== Warehouse ===<br />
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* Warehouse did a really great job. And I requested some really strange things. They even got Powercables and a Compressor for repairing the Flamethrowers. -- [[User:Justelex|Justelex]] ([[User talk:Justelex|talk]])<br />
** +1 Agreement from my side -- [[User:Foorschtbar|Foorschtbar]] ([[User talk:Foorschtbar|talk]])<br />
* Warehouse should maybe stock more small stepladders, I feel they were regularly all in use. Otherwise great supplies. [[User:SA007|SA007]] ([[User talk:SA007|talk]])<br />
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=== Waste / garbage / trash ===<br />
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* Slightly sad that trash was just split into “glass” and “everything else”. It'd be nice if we could at least recycle cardboard/paper! -- [[User:Q3k|Q3k]] ([[User talk:Q3k|talk]])<br />
** Agreed. Throwing everything into the "Other Waste" containers felt wrong. I understand this was on the waste company dropping the ball. Let's make sure this won't happen at the next event. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])<br />
** +1 Agreement from my side -- [[User:Foorschtbar|Foorschtbar]] ([[User talk:Foorschtbar|talk]])<br />
** That was the supplier dropping the ball in almost every category. It was in the plan (i co-wrote it) -- [[User:Sebastius|Sebastius]] ([[User talk:Sebastius|talk]])<br />
* an awful lot of mate etc bottles ended up in glass trash I think - the later-deployed bottle collection crates helped with that -- [[User:SK|SK]] ([[User talk:SK|talk]])<br />
** Yeah that happened last time too. We did plan for drop points. Not sure why the points weren't deployed earlier by team Bar. -- [[User:Sebastius|Sebastius]] ([[User talk:Sebastius|talk]])</div>Bronsenhttps://wiki.mch2022.org/index.php?title=Feedback&diff=18123Feedback2022-08-03T16:41:03Z<p>Bronsen: /* Badge */ +1 general appreciation</p>
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== Topics == <br />
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=== General / overall ===<br />
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* So happy about the progressive pride and Antifa flag on the tower<br />
* Awesome event again, thanks to everyone who did their part to making it such -- [[User:SK|SK]] ([[User talk:SK|talk]])<br />
* It was fantastic and I am already stoked for the next one! -- [[User:Mosquito|Mosquito]] ([[User talk:Mosquito|talk]])<br />
** +1 Agreement from my side -- [[User:Foorschtbar|Foorschtbar]] ([[User talk:Foorschtbar|talk]])<br />
* I had a great camp overall, it was way more comfortable than I'd expected and things seemed to run smoothly. Being greeted by progressive pride flag on the Orga tent and tower instantly made me feel at ease. -- [[User:Dany|Dany]] ([[User talk:Dany|talk]])<br />
* would be a really good idea to water the ways more often, to prevent the dust. -- [[User:Justelex|Justelex]] ([[User talk:Justelex|talk]])<br />
** I'd be afraid this would quickly turn into mud, and I prefer dust to mud -- [[User:Pinoaffe|Pinoaffe]] ([[User talk:Pinoaffe|talk]])<br />
* It seems that there was so much time spend on nice to haves and to little on must haves resulting in quite a few people beeing totally burned out, I really wonder if its worth it organizing it again next year at this size with this much "consumers" visiting and maybe just going back to a smaller size is nicer, the big presence of sponsors also did not help with this feeling. -- [[User:Erik|Erik]] ([[User talk:Erik|talk]])<br />
** I am not quite sure where you saw those "consumers", especially since that would be quite a high entry price for a consumer (no daytickets and all). As far as I know we didn't finish selling all tickets so it was smaller then expected even. Although I do understand that you are longing for a smaller sized event (there are definitely a couple of those out there), I dearly hope that this event will even grow, since it is quite nice to have more and new people being interested and learning more. Sponsors I am unsure about, since I do know they were a big help in financing the whole event. With the point of being to burned out, that might be a problem of scheduling and volunteering, since there were around ~400 volunteers for the whole event (officially).<br />
** Don't worry, next year is not a thing, we do this every four years (Corona volente). As for the size of the event, for me it's just about right as it was this year, but opinions can and will always differ. If you like a cosy, small event that happens next year, Bornhack might be your thing.[[User:Moem|Moem]] ([[User talk:Moem|talk]])<br />
* Still amazed by the amount of creativity and community, so many people sharing what they love and are good at -- [[User:Raboof|Raboof]] ([[User talk:Raboof|talk]])<br />
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=== Arrival / departure / parking / train shuttle / luggage shuttle ===<br />
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* I was surprised twice that empty places in the field were apparently claimed. It was not clear to me that people had staked out places already on the wiki. This would seem to me one of The Most Important Things To Tell People: "whatever is on the wiki wins". Or perhaps abolish that, also fine by me, but in any case be very clear about it. I could also do with an AR app or so that shows me what people claimed :-) -- [[User:Ahu|Ahu]] ([[User talk:Ahu|talk]])<br />
** Next time we should plan some areas for 'those without village', i heard they were planned for this time but they might have gotten lost with the last minute rearranging due to the double booking. -- [[User:Sebastius|Sebastius]] ([[User talk:Sebastius|talk]])<br />
** (moved my feedback here to [[Feedback#Villages]]) -- [[User:Raboof|Raboof]] ([[User talk:Raboof|talk]])<br />
* Last day of the event felt kinda "lost" as people were beginning to tear things down from early on in the day well before the closing event. Was bit of a weird mood/feeling. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])<br />
** +1 Agreement from my side -- [[User:Foorschtbar|Foorschtbar]] ([[User talk:Foorschtbar|talk]])<br />
** While it is pretty normal for many people to already pack their things on the last day, the problem was certainly exacerbated by the fact that a roundmail on day 4 told all villages that their rented tents had to be "cleaned and empty" no later than 17:30 on day 5. That really gave villages no choice but to tear everything down during daytime on day 5. [[User:PoempelFox|PoempelFox]] ([[User talk:PoempelFox|talk]])<br />
* The parking area was way better then at Sha. A Regular people shuttle on the field with one or two 4+ seater golfcarts would be awesome for pregnant / people that can't walk long distances and so on. (Maybe also on call would be enough) -- [[User:Justelex|Justelex]] ([[User talk:Justelex|talk]])<br />
* "Shuttle goes when it goes" without any indication how long it will take is no option for people who have to catch their train/flight. We had many questions and complaints at the infodesk. A schedule would be great. -- [[User:Sirgoofy|sirgoofy]]<br />
* The shuttle stop changed during the event. It would be great to have a dedicated shuttle stop (with sign and timetable) during the event.<br />
* The payment system for the shuttle was too complicated. We had many questions about buying tickets at the infodesk. People tried to buy tickets in the online shop, but had problems getting their order paid. It would be better to make it free, or allow to pay in cash in the shuttle.<br />
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=== Badge ===<br />
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* Very well-made and polished badge, really surprised me with the effort put into it and its versatility! [[User:Vurpo|Vurpo]] ([[User talk:Vurpo|talk]]) 21:07, 30 July 2022 (CEST) <br />
** +1 Agreement from my side -- [[User:Foorschtbar|Foorschtbar]] ([[User talk:Foorschtbar|talk]])<br />
** +1 -- [[User:Bronsen|Bronsen]] ([[User talk:Bronsen|talk]])<br />
* The badge is really nice, but the price of MCH admission is already hindering people we'd like to reach. Perhaps do consider if we really need it. -- [[User:Ahu|Ahu]] ([[User talk:Ahu|talk]])<br />
* Awesome badge, I had a lot of fun tinkering with it during camp and always received helpful advice in the IRC channel. Please keep this project going! [[User:Alxndr|Alxndr]] ([[User talk:Alxndr|talk]])<br />
* The badge is amazing! However, I feel bad that my badges from previous events barely got used and this one is likely to suffer the same fate. For environmental/cost reasons, I kinda wish I could have opted out. Alternately, if there were a way to hand my badge in after the event and know it would be used for educational purposes later on, I would have given it up a heartbeat. -- [[User:HerraBRE|HerraBRE]]<br />
* Really love the badge, it inspired me to try micropython for the first time. Also I find it to be a piece of art, the PCB design is just great. On the other side, I'm also sceptical on the ecological aspects. I fear that many hackers will not use it anymore after the event or even never use it at all. Maybe it would be a good idea to offer badges as an option instead of giving everyone a piece. -- [[User:Cyb3rk41|Cyb3rk41]] ([[User talk:Cyb3rk41|talk]])<br />
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=== Bars and food court ===<br />
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* The capacity of the food-stands was quite low, which resulted in long waiting times. Not good with hungry kids. [[User:Fhp|Fhp]] ([[User talk:Fhp|talk]])<br />
* Agree with above: low capacity for the commercial food stands. They also didn't seem to grasp the concept of 'lunch'. I expected them to be up and running around 13.00, but most of them weren't, resulting in even longer lines at the places that were open earlier. -- [[User:Dany|Dany]] ([[User talk:Dany|talk]])<br />
* The food stands I've visited (Wok, Fries) had poor in-person advertising of everything that they were actually selling and how much it cost. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])<br />
** Agreed. Menu and pricing was often hard to read -- [[User:j0chen|j0chen]] ([[User talk:j0chen|talk]])<br />
* The Johny Cash Burger was great but mostly I fed on waffles by the awesome C3WOC <3. And of course one can rely on the Italian Hackers' Embassy for excellent pasta and Italian Grappa. By the way... is there a Spanish or French Embassy with similar services? Would put that on my checklist for the next camp. ;-) Oh and Angel Food was also great and healthy. Didn't miss meat there, eating more veg is better for the environment anyways. Thanks for the opportunity! Conclusion: Wide range, many choices, very good! -- [[User:Mosquito|Mosquito]] ([[User talk:Mosquito|talk]])<br />
* Frietsaus is not Mayo. [[User:MrLinux|MrLinux]]<br />
* The split layout of the bar/food area didn't really work. You couldn't see all in one go, so most people only visited one bar making a huge queue there. -- [[User:Sebastius|Sebastius]] ([[User talk:Sebastius|talk]])<br />
* Coffee vendor people had no idea what they were doing. Literally not knowing what a Latte Machiatto is while it's on their menu. -- [[User:Sebastius|Sebastius]] ([[User talk:Sebastius|talk]])<br />
* Next time get food vendors from several companies instead of using one single source. Yes it's more work to set up but this time the overall quality was not great (but acceptable). -- [[User:Sebastius|Sebastius]] ([[User talk:Sebastius|talk]])<br />
* Next time also get some vendors who do varied meals (every day a different choice, like the vegan place at CCCamp2019) at competitive pricing. -- [[User:Sebastius|Sebastius]] ([[User talk:Sebastius|talk]])<br />
** +1 I think some vendors (pizza) had very little choice, which has not changed. -- [[User:j0chen|j0chen]] ([[User talk:j0chen|talk]])<br />
* Next time allow Mecklenborger to also have a food-truck for the general public on camp. -- [[User:Sebastius|Sebastius]] ([[User talk:Sebastius|talk]]) +1<br />
* Overall nice. Might be good to promote villages that have good capacity for selling food as well somehow, to make it more 'integrated'? -- [[User:Raboof|Raboof]] ([[User talk:Raboof|talk]])<br />
** especially the C3WOC with their delicious waffles -- [[User:j0chen|j0chen]] ([[User talk:j0chen|talk]])<br />
* Unfortunately the bars were out of the larger plastic glasses very soon. -- [[User:Kokx|Kokx]] ([[User talk:Kokx|talk]])<br />
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=== Buildup and teardown ===<br />
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* As one of the persons who collected what felt like a kilometre of Flatterband at teardown, and removed a pile of pegs it was attached to, I would like to thank those buildup angels who didn't sink the pegs below ground level. You made my job a lot easier! :) [[User:Alxndr|Alxndr]] ([[User talk:Alxndr|talk]])<br />
** +1 Agreement from my side -- [[User:Foorschtbar|Foorschtbar]] ([[User talk:Foorschtbar|talk]])<br />
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=== COVID19 precautions ===<br />
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* Thanks for caring about ventilation. [https://grafana.mch2022.org/d/q9gZutJ7z/mch2022?orgId=1&viewPanel=30&from=1658492800367&to=1658853839068 CO2 meters] and open sides weren't in place during the opening talk, but this was fixed quickly after and I heard the security team kept an eye on the graphs. --[[User:Juerd|Juerd]] ([[User talk:Juerd|talk]]) 20:43, 30 July 2022 (CEST)<br />
* I liked the availability of masks and self tests for those who forgot to bring their own. I've heard about a few dozen people who got infected, but there were probably more. Thanks to the rapid tests and the heroes who chose to isolate, we may have averted a disastrous superspreading event. --[[User:Juerd|Juerd]] ([[User talk:Juerd|talk]]) 22:02, 30 July 2022 (CEST)<br />
** +1 Agreement from my side -- [[User:Foorschtbar|Foorschtbar]] ([[User talk:Foorschtbar|talk]])<br />
** Very much appreciated the easy availability of masks and rapid tests. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])<br />
* It would have been good to switch from recommended to required mask wearing, at least indoors, once it became clear that "personal responsibility" wasn't working out (even in this community, what a disappointment). [[User:Alxndr|Alxndr]] ([[User talk:Alxndr|talk]])<br />
** Agreeing on all points. Was also a bit disappointed. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])<br />
** Its quite hard to do that in a country where this is not a rule anymore.<br />
* It was good to request/require mask wearing in the food queue in Heaven. It would have been even better to do it from the very beginning. [[User:Moem|Moem]] ([[User talk:Moem|talk]]) 09:20, 31 July 2022 (CEST)<br />
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=== Cohesion ===<br />
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=== Content / talks / heralds / speakerdesk / AV / recordings ===<br />
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* In the end it worked pretty well, but perhaps do ponder having some "known good" presenter laptops/devices available. This has worked very well for other conferences. I used a 200 euro Chromebook with a throwaway google account. -- [[User:Ahu|Ahu]] ([[User talk:Ahu|talk]])<br />
* This is a matter of taste - if you light up the speakers real well, the audience can enjoy a well lighted speaker. But the speaker then often can't see the audience. And during my talks, I love to actually see the audience. This was better in 2017 (at least in Abacus and Battery). -- [[User:Ahu|Ahu]] ([[User talk:Ahu|talk]])<br />
* The speaker desk and the room to work is absolutely ACE. -- [[User:Ahu|Ahu]] ([[User talk:Ahu|talk]])<br />
* Very friendly and helpful people at the speakerdesk and also Heralds and other Angels. Dry running my laptop with the monitor at the Speaker Desk before the talk made me much calmer once I knew that worked. Thank you! -- [[User:Mosquito|Mosquito]] ([[User talk:Mosquito|talk]])<br />
* had the opposite experience: crablab forgot giving me a speaker badge and was not very hospitable "i'd prefer if you bought your mate at the bar" the single time I asked for one in order to work on my slides -- [[User:Fraxinas|Fraxinas]] ([[User talk:Fraxinas|talk]])<br />
* Generally felt welcome as a speaker, thanks! I didn't end up using the speaker area as it felt a bit like a 'fish tank' being so exposed to the main road (but that might be a personal hang-up ;) ) -- [[User:Raboof|Raboof]] ([[User talk:Raboof|talk]])<br />
* It would have been nice to have a more 'integrated' programme containing both the 'curated' content and the 'self-organized' sessions. It was nice that some self-organized sessions were added to https://program.mch2022.org but it'd be even nicer to have that 'direct' somehow -- [[User:Raboof|Raboof]] ([[User talk:Raboof|talk]])<br />
* It would have been nice to have an officially-recommended app - Giggity worked great on Android, just promoting that more might have been a good start -- [[User:Raboof|Raboof]] ([[User talk:Raboof|talk]])<br />
* It would be nice to cross-link the schedule with the livestreams/recordings better -- [[User:Raboof|Raboof]] ([[User talk:Raboof|talk]])<br />
* Several of the workshop presenters said they would make their presentations available, but the majority is unfindable. I did understand a presentation can be added to the schedule, but it is hard to spot that this has actually been done. Maybe an independent index with such material can be made and material actively requested? -- [[User:M10|M10]] ([[User talk:M10|talk]])<br />
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=== CTF ===<br />
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* The CTF as a whole was excellent. Really interesting challenges on multiple categories and I still think this is the best CTF I have attended. Even the easy challenges had nice twists to them, no basic "'or 1=1;-- = flag" here. -- [[User:Onja|Onja]]<br />
* Both the competitors and the organizers I chatted with were very nice and passionate. Organizers gave good hints without giving too much away on couple of the challenges when we were stuck. -- [[User:Onja|Onja]]<br />
* There were plenty of beverages to keep us going, hard part was to remember to eat something once in a while. <br />
* Only complaint I have is about the ctf area: the outside tent was mostly more trouble than it was worth with wind trying to blow the whole tent away and the inside got crowded pretty fast. DT lounge area was nice but I'm not 1337 h4x0r enough to sit there 4 days in a row, my back will kill me. :D -- [[User:Onja|Onja]]<br />
* Looking forward to reading challenge writeups (I still want to hear the creators thoughts on Coinflip even though we eventually managed to solve it). Also I agree that Coinflip was one of the tougher challenges, should have been 200 pts (whine, whine). -- [[User:Onja|Onja]]<br />
* Summary: We will definitely be back next time! -- [[User:Onja|Onja]]<br />
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=== Decoration / design ===<br />
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* Well done all around -- [[User:SK|SK]] ([[User talk:SK|talk]]) 01:07, 31 July 2022 (CEST)<br />
* The design was so colorful and well thought out, it gave team Deco a lot to work with. Great job! [[User:Moem|Moem]] ([[User talk:Moem|talk]]) 09:22, 31 July 2022 (CEST) <br />
** +1 Agreement from my side -- [[User:Foorschtbar|Foorschtbar]] ([[User talk:Foorschtbar|talk]])<br />
* The deco was really cool, I especially liked the UV-reactive strings that gave the illusion of lasers and the super cute felt plants in the Silent Lounge. -- [[User:Dany|Dany]] ([[User talk:Dany|talk]])<br />
* Both design and deco were amazing! Also great that it was available beforehand, including the 'generator', so villages etc could use it in their preparations as well -- [[User:Raboof|Raboof]] ([[User talk:Raboof|talk]])<br />
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=== Family / kids ===<br />
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* Great vibe at the zone \o/<br />
* Maybe one or two hot water faucets would be useful (for baby care, for dishwashing, etc)<br />
* Sponsors like to party, maybe keep that in mind when planning in the noise gradient<br />
* As someone without kids I love that people feel welcome to bring theirs, and the atmosphere that comes with that. Accidentally ran into the "balloon folding (for adults)" workshop which was hilarious. Great fun. -- [[User:Raboof|Raboof]] ([[User talk:Raboof|talk]])<br />
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=== Finance / coins / payments ===<br />
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* Payment by card worked mostly well, other than the supermarket not accepting international cards. My main issue was that the payment system was not well enough explained before the actual event! The blog post and wiki page were pretty long and still left me confused about what the actual payment system on the field was going to end up being. Even a simple "TL;DR we will use regular international payment cards with chip/contactless" would have helped me. [[User:Vurpo|Vurpo]] ([[User talk:Vurpo|talk]]) 21:04, 30 July 2022 (CEST)<br />
* I asked at several bars and the food court where I could get the prepaid card for the MCH payment system, but nobody knew, so I ended up using my regular payment card. [[User:Alxndr|Alxndr]] ([[User talk:Alxndr|talk]]<br />
** The MCH payment system only was operational from day 1 (with paper QR codes) and the ability to print them on plastic cards was added later - [[User:Noor|Noor]]<br />
** yeah communication could have been better, the main problem was that most of it was arranged by one single person (never a good idea). Next time we need to find more people who work on the financial/tickets stuff. <br />
* I liked the idea of the cashless QR-code, especially the later upgrade to a "hard card" rather than just a stub of thermal paper. Avoids using the big payment providers and frees one of having to carry around cash. However I would've loved seeing more universal acceptance around the event (for example at the supermarket). -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])<br />
** +1 Agreement from my side. I missed also the acceptance at the Merch stand -- [[User:Foorschtbar|Foorschtbar]] ([[User talk:Foorschtbar|talk]])<br />
* As a foreigner visiting, I was VERY happy that I could use my card to tap and pay almost everywhere. Get the supermarket on board next time and you get a perfect score from me! The QR code system also worked quite well (I took payment at the bar a few times). I was impressed, well done. - [[User:HerraBRE|HerraBRE]]<br />
* Payment with payment cards in combination with PIN code failed. (only contactless worked, until the 50 euro weekly limit was reached.) [[User:MrLinux|MrLinux]]<br />
* The payment system is too complex and impractical for such an event. At the infodesk there were many questions and complaints on the payment system. People were confused about whether their bank card is accepted or wanted to buy QR-codes with their cards. There were many complaints about the complexity of the payment system. Normally, payment on such events is straightforward (give some money, get a drink). I guess this complicated system also restrained people from buying drinks (just a gut feeling from the number of bottles collected on the field by Team BOC). There were also many people complaining that they could not get unused money from the QR codes (because they had to leave early or came too late). -- [[User:Sirgoofy|sirgoofy]]<br />
* The payment system encouraged people not to bring cash, with is a huge issue for villages -- [[User:Sirgoofy|sirgoofy]]<br />
** Many villages rely on donations to cover costs, e.g., for food or parts for workshops, like the Italian Embassy, Millyways, Team Badge, c3woc (waffles), Chaos Post. Donations in cash are straightforward and understandable. Handling cashless donations is complicated (especially for people donating), expensive (i.e., fees), and requires bank accounts (which many villages don't have as they're just a bunch of people and no legal instance).<br />
** Cashless donations would be handy, though. Many international visitors don't have cash.<br />
** It would be great if people could donate using the QR code system (and buy QR codes cashless) -- [[User:Sirgoofy|sirgoofy]]<br />
* The MCH Payment system was a great benefit. Also that a plastic card could be created that was clearly more robust than the QR code on thermal paper.... Unfortunately, the machine took a long time to accept a bill. In addition, it would be nice to be able to recharge cards so that you can get through the camp with a printed card without directly charging one huge amount. -- [[User:j0chen|j0chen]] ([[User talk:j0chen|talk]])<br />
* An ATM would be great next time. My card was declined most of the time, so I reliant on my cash (and an ATM outside of camp) -- [[User:j0chen|j0chen]] ([[User talk:j0chen|talk]])<br />
** Or a possibility to get some cash at a desk or so? Cash needed to be handled anyway for the QR codes -- [[User:Sirgoofy|sirgoofy]]<br />
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=== Harbour / Ferry ===<br />
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* Loved the ferry service not as much as a shuttle to the other side of the water way, but as a way to enjoy some quiet time and a light breeze to (mentally) recharge away from the event. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])<br />
* The Ferry Service was great, and especially the operating hours where great. -- [[User:Justelex|Justelex]] ([[User talk:Justelex|talk]]) +1<br />
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=== Information / infodesk / wiki ===<br />
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* The infodesk should've been open for longer/as long as possible. (background: I've sat on the NOC helpdesk a bunch of times after the last infodesk angles were gone and dealt with quite a few people that were originally looking for the helpdesk; also being able to respond to infodesk calls for longer). -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])<br />
* Would be nice if the wiki was more usable on mobile -- [[User:Raboof|Raboof]] ([[User talk:Raboof|talk]])<br />
* The infodesk should be open earlier, at least starting day 0. It was unfortunate that the furniture was late (w/o desk no infodesk) -- [[User:Sirgoofy|sirgoofy]]<br />
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=== Lounges ===<br />
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* Silent lounge was very well done. Nicely decorated and people behaving very considerate (i.e. really tried to be silent). No wonder that it was popular to the point where it could've used more pillows. I was worried that people would start camping inside the lounge (similar things happen at congress for example), but that didn't turn out to be true. I've seen plenty of people taking a nap away from the noise of the event, but thankfully nobody started living inside the lounge. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])<br />
* Besides the silent lounge, I wish there were more places for people, especially for those without a village, to relax in the shade near an Ethernet port and power outlet. In the harbour there was the wood table with tent roof and the bar with a couple of seats, but both away from power outlets. Otherwise, besides the couple of deckchairs, we mostly hard hard wooden benches near the food court without shade (and no power sockets). -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])<br />
** +1 agreed, a few dedicated shaded outdoor spots would've been nice -- [[User:SK|SK]] ([[User talk:SK|talk]])<br />
** +1 I was going to write the same. Seating on the western part of the food court was hardly used because there was no shadow. Everyone was cramped beneath the roof tent in front of the east bar. On previous events there were more public spaces with roofing, sofas, bean bags, power and network. Nice place with hammocks at the speaker desk but also now shadow. Roof tents would also provide shelter in case of rain (as experienced on previous camps).<br />
** +1 I'd enjoy that as well! Perhaps with some way to announce what you're working on to encourage spontaneous conversations? Not sure how that would work though -- [[User:Raboof|Raboof]] ([[User talk:Raboof|talk]])<br />
** +1 A few shady sitting areas for hackers without Village; with sockets and ethernet sockets would have been very pleasant especially in the sunny and warm weather. -- [[User:j0chen|j0chen]] ([[User talk:j0chen|talk]])<br />
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=== Merchandise ===<br />
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* The designs look great, I'm a fan of the asymmetry and the patterned sleeves. Not being able to go a size up or down from what you ordered online was kind of disappointing. Not a major issue for myself but I know of several people who were sad about this. The [[merch exchange]] is not a great solution, but better than nothing. --[[User:Juerd|Juerd]] ([[User talk:Juerd|talk]]) 20:54, 30 July 2022 (CEST)<br />
** That mostly was the result of not receiving as many units as we ordered, sadly. -- [[User:Sebastius|Sebastius]] ([[User talk:Sebastius|talk]])<br />
* Merch was great: Awesome design and high quality. Preodering saved me from having to stay in a (humongous) line in the heat. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])<br />
* I absolutely love the hexagonal patterns and diagrams, but the amount of purple/pink was enough to keep me from buying more than a hat (that, and sizes being too big for me). - [[User:Noor|Noor]] ([[User talk:Noor|talk]])<br />
* Nice merch, despite at first not being a fan of the design. Option to preorder is great. -- [[User:SK|SK]] ([[User talk:SK|talk]])<br />
* OK so maybe I'm a dinosaur, but if I'd known that "fitted" was inclusive for "ladies", I wouldn't have ordered a way-too-small T-shirt. Not a complaint really, but maybe that could have been explained better? Help us old farts get with the program! :-D<br />
** 'Fitted' does not mean 'ladies', it means snug and cut to cling to the body, not baggy and loose. I know plenty of gentlemen who prefer that style. [[User:Moem|Moem]] ([[User talk:Moem|talk]])<br />
* Love the zipper design and quality, will be one of my favourite pieces from now on :) Preorder and pickup was easy and a great option to avoid long queues at the merch booth. -- [[User:Cyb3rk41|Cyb3rk41]] ([[User talk:Cyb3rk41|talk]])<br />
* I love how the shirts and hoodies look, but I'm worried about how well they will hold up when being washed. The rainbow looks like it will fall off just like the yellow SHA robot did. You hardly see the SHA shirts being worn anymore... but OHM and even HAR shirts, yes. [[User:Moem|Moem]] ([[User talk:Moem|talk]])<br />
** +1 love the looks but concerned about the large areas (beam/rainbow) as well - those already seemed to have faded a bit from being folded up in a damp tent... -- [[User:Raboof|Raboof]] ([[User talk:Raboof|talk]])<br />
* Loved that there were angel shirts in a different color than black again ;) -- [[User:Raboof|Raboof]] ([[User talk:Raboof|talk]])<br />
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=== Miscellaneous ===<br />
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* Swan family was pretty relaxed with all the people and activity, camping out in the middle of the terrain. - [[User:Noor|Noor]] ([[User talk:Noor|talk]]<br />
* It would be nice to have some angel-staffed dishwashing station (with manual rinse and commercial dishwashers) somewhere, to help with saving water and time, and to increase general hygiene (we all know how camp dish cleanliness standards go...) -- [[User:Q3k|Q3k]] ([[User talk:Q3k|talk]])<br />
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=== Music/laser stage / silent disco / Symphony of Fire ===<br />
* The music/laser stage was not a great fit for the event. It drained the villages and talk tents, making those less interesting. Also the whole separate 'party area' does not work for me. I would not miss it if we didn't have one next time. -- [[User:Sebastius|Sebastius]] ([[User talk:Sebastius|talk]])<br />
* No clue why we had a music stage, but if we for some reason must have one, why not have hacker-music on it (e.g. robotic instruments, chiptunes, etc), it was mostly filled with mediocre covers of songs unrelated to the event entirely. [[User:SA007|SA007]] ([[User talk:SA007|talk]])<br />
* Party area was WAY too spacious for the amount of people using it. -- [[User:Sebastius|Sebastius]] ([[User talk:Sebastius|talk]])<br />
* Loved the silent disco setup though. Also really loved it being used at night to allow the byte battle thingie to take place. -- [[User:Sebastius|Sebastius]] ([[User talk:Sebastius|talk]])<br />
* Having hacker built flame throwers which normally look awesome mounted on a commercial stage actually takes away the home-built hacker vibe of those flame throwers. -- [[User:Sebastius|Sebastius]] ([[User talk:Sebastius|talk]])<br />
* Music stage with the flamethrowers, and Symphony of Fire were awesome. - [[User:Noor|Noor]] ([[User talk:Noor|talk]])<br />
* Very well done. Silent disco was a neat solution to the inherent noise conflicts. What exactly is going on could have been a bit more detailed in the schedule, some people were sad they missed interesting things because they didn't realize who was playing. -- [[User:SK|SK]] ([[User talk:SK|talk]])<br />
* For me, the music stage did not really add anything that I would miss if it dit not happen again on a next event. Symphony of Fire was indeed awesome, I wonder if they could have played on a raised podium so more people could have seen what was happening. [[User:Moem|Moem]] ([[User talk:Moem|talk]]) 09:27, 31 July 2022 (CEST)<br />
** +1 -- [[User:Fraxinas|Fraxinas]] ([[User talk:Fraxinas|talk]])<br />
** +1 Agreement from my side -- [[User:Foorschtbar|Foorschtbar]] ([[User talk:Foorschtbar|talk]])<br />
** +1 Symphony of Fire was *the* main act at the stages, a raised podium or bigscreen would have been great that more people can see something. Especially the crowding is perhaps a bit critical with regard to the COVID measures. -- [[User:j0chen|j0chen]] ([[User talk:j0chen|talk]])<br />
* Silent disco was so much fun! More, later, longer please! Seems like a great solution for us party animals who don't want calm after 2am. - [[User:HerraBRE|HerraBRE]]<br />
* Music stage was to loud, to horrible and went on for way to long it and nowhere on the terrain you did not hear it, making sleeping almost impossible for people who actually need proper sleep (yes quiet camping was also to loud). -- [[User:Erik|Erik]] ([[User talk:Erik|talk]])<br />
* Silent disco was a great idea. But for the next time, I'd appreciate it if it wasn't just announced in advance, but if there was also information about the technology, e.g. where/if I can get suitable headphones myself or on which frequencies it runs, so that I can build a receiver myself. As far as I have heard, it was probably possible to receive the radio on the entire camp? -- [[User:j0chen|j0chen]] ([[User talk:j0chen|talk]])<br />
* three points<br />
# The main stage did not have good sound, despite the the row of massive loudspeakers in front. <br />
# Flames were fantastic.<br />
# Big screen was good. -- [[User:Bronsen|Bronsen]] ([[User talk:Bronsen|talk]])<br />
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=== NOC / Network ===<br />
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* My SFP+ module got to stay in a datenklo. A++++ would camp again. -- [[User:Q3k|Q3k]] ([[User talk:Q3k|talk]])<br />
* Datenklos were sorely missing some CYBER(tm) reflective foil wrapping -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])<br />
** There was a plan for nice aluminium foil/plated cardboard skins with the field name and other decorations on it, but the weather during buildup threw a spanner into that idea... [[User:SA007|SA007]] ([[User talk:SA007|talk]])<br />
** +1 Agreement from my side -- [[User:Foorschtbar|Foorschtbar]] ([[User talk:Foorschtbar|talk]])<br />
* Some system for releasing cables from the datenklo switches at teardown would help. I couldn't recover my uplink cable and then later realised I left without it. Maybe give a key to a nearby village person that would release cables that have no more active link on a regular basis? -- [[User:M10|M10]] ([[User talk:M10|talk]])<br />
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=== Power ===<br />
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* Thank you very much for not cutting power off after the closing event as at SHA. -- [[User:Malaclypse|Malaclypse]] ([[User talk:Malaclypse|talk]])<br />
** +1 Agreement from my side -- [[User:Foorschtbar|Foorschtbar]] ([[User talk:Foorschtbar|talk]])<br />
* I was really happy to have power available until the very end on wednesday! Thanks for that! -- [[User:Cyb3rk41|Cyb3rk41]] ([[User talk:Cyb3rk41|talk]])<br />
** Agreed. Having power for as long as possible was great. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])<br />
* The priklichtjes (festoon lights on poles) were a very welcome addition by Team:Power. [[User:Moem|Moem]] ([[User talk:Moem|talk]])<br />
** They helped me greatly in navigating the terrain in the dark, indicating where the paths where between the villages. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])<br />
*** +1 very nice for indicating paths between tents and nature. -- [[User:j0chen|j0chen]] ([[User talk:j0chen|talk]])<br />
* Very impressed with the PowerTeam, kudos! And we learned an important lesson (the hard way) that long PVC cables lying in wet grass will suck up moisture and trip the 'aardlek' (RCD?). This could be written a lot better in the power wiki page so people can prepare better. Now the neoprene cables are only recommended as the better quality, but not that PVC has negative effects, like taking out two villages for a few hours. -- [[User:M10|M10]] ([[User talk:M10|talk]])<br />
:* In general, the cable should be rated for outdoor usage. PVC cables for outdoor use do exist (and are really nice to use because they're more flexible, especially when it's cold), so a simple list of materials doesn't work. (In case you're interested: harmonized cable types have the material encoded in the type, H05RR-F for example means H = harmonized, 05 = 300V, R = rubber inner insulation, R = rubber outer insulation, F = fine stranded. Neoprene is usually identified as RN, indoor PVC as VV, outdoor PVC as V3V3 (e.g. H05V3V3-F). Not sure if listing all outdoor capable material codes would work; just look for "rated for outdoor use"; the IP44 schuko plug with the ring is a good proxy/heuristic for that.) Oh, and by the way, neoprene can also suck up moisture over time! It's just usually slow enough :) --[[User:Juerd|Juerd]] ([[User talk:Juerd|talk]])<br />
* Basically everything worked, I could imagine that a distribution of the generators across the camp is perhaps better. At the CCCamp 2019, each larger area had its own generator, so iirc there was never a full blackout. Important systems then simply get two generators (redundancy!). -- [[User:j0chen|j0chen]] ([[User talk:j0chen|talk]])<br />
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=== Off-Site Logistics ===<br />
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* Off-site logistics was a mess, during buildup the schedule was changed drastically without communication about it, we ended up waiting 9 hours for a truck that was smaller than promised requiring a second trip. Teardown I drove the van myself. [[User:SA007|SA007]] ([[User talk:SA007|talk]])<br />
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=== On-Site Logistics ===<br />
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* Gators are too loud, you can't hear each other inside a tent if they drive by. [[User:SA007|SA007]] ([[User talk:SA007|talk]])<br />
** IIRC electric vehicles were unavaible from the local rental companies, unfortunately [[User:Flimpie|Flimpie]] ([[User talk:Flimpie|talk]]) 22:38, 1 August 2022 (CEST)<br />
** +1 The gators were also so loud that you could barely understand/use the radio when you were sitting in it -- [[User:j0chen|j0chen]] ([[User talk:j0chen|talk]])<br />
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=== Other music/noise (outside the official party area) ===<br />
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* Please NEVER allow Holoplot to be on the field ever again. And if that is impossible to prevent, at least NOT do a late night party with that system. The volume OUTSIDE the tent was horrifying. -- [[User:Sebastius|Sebastius]] ([[User talk:Sebastius|talk]])<br />
* Bit torn on this one. It is a party event, but there was way too much loud music post 2 AM. Some of us do need sleep. I know, weak etc. I don't recall seeing a clear policy on what is acceptable, might be behind people feeling ok cranking up the volume after midnight. -- [[User:Ahu|Ahu]] ([[User talk:Ahu|talk]])<br />
* The Retro Arcade area was an absolute nuisance at night. They were blasting the neighbouring villages with shitty music and drunken yelling until 2 or 3 am pretty much every day. I can think of several words for this kind of behaviour, and none of them rhyme with "excellent". [[User:Alxndr|Alxndr]] ([[User talk:Alxndr|talk]])<br />
** +1 They also played the same 7 shitty songs each night. Seemed like most of the participants were corporates (BlueHatHacker, etc.). The whole thing felt pretty unfit for MCH. -- [[User:JT|JT]] ([[User talk:JT|talk]])<br />
* It seems like while the official policy was 'no noise after 1AM', it wasn't actively enforced for most cases - and I think that enabled people to also treat it a bit more like a hint rather than a rule? Perhaps for future events we should have numerical 'loudness' scores for all fields, forming a gradient, with a higher score letting people be louder and party later, and actually enforce that. That way loud people can camp in loud villages, while those who need peace and quiet can camp in quiet villages. -- [[User:Q3k|Q3k]] ([[User talk:Q3k|talk]])<br />
** I think this was sort-of implemented based on village input, but the usual event fields are just a bit too small for that to work reliably -- [[User:SK|SK]] ([[User talk:SK|talk]])<br />
* This was both badly communicated (FAQ said "until midnight", apparently the actual rule was from 1 am?) and not usefully enforced. Arcade area right next to family village especially apparently could do whatever they wanted. This makes awesome ideas like silent disco for the "official" music stage sadly quite moot. -- [[User:SK|SK]] ([[User talk:SK|talk]])<br />
* second-hand, but if security (i.e. the contact listed for noise complaints on the front page of this wiki!) really responded to calls about this with "don't call us unless there's an actual emergency" some rules seriously need to be re-established -- [[User:SK|SK]] ([[User talk:SK|talk]])<br />
* at the same time small villages further into the "louder sector" (i.e. away from family/silent camping) were told off for having any music on low volume -- [[User:SK|SK]] ([[User talk:SK|talk]])<br />
* Our village was placed in a party area. That was unfortunate. Next time I'll camp in a quiet are even if that means being far away from the village I am interested in. Geraffel adhered to the 1am quiet policy (yay!) but others didn't. They went on till after 4.30 and didn't honor complaints. -- [[User:Mosquito|Mosquito]] ([[User talk:Mosquito|talk]])<br />
* I was sad there was no place to party and dance after 2am. I agree people who want quiet should be able to enjoy quiet, but in a perfect camp there would be room for both. -- [[User:HerraBRE|HerraBRE]]<br />
* The distribution of the Villages and party zones was perhaps not quite ideal, felt the Family Zone (which had asked for quiet) was in the middle of the Party Zone (based on the noise / music) -- [[User:j0chen|j0chen]] ([[User talk:j0chen|talk]])<br />
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=== POC / Dect / Fieldphones ===<br />
* I couldn't find advance information as to when the phone / DECT network would be shut off on the wiki, having such information would be useful (but I may just have been looking in the wrong place) -- [[User:Pinoaffe|Pinoaffe]] ([[User talk:Pinoaffe|talk]])<br />
* DECT coverage was great around the whole camp area. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])<br />
** +1 Agreement from my side -- [[User:Foorschtbar|Foorschtbar]] ([[User talk:Foorschtbar|talk]])<br />
* DECT self-registration worked great (have been used to it for a while now from congress). -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])<br />
** +1 Agreement from my side -- [[User:Foorschtbar|Foorschtbar]] ([[User talk:Foorschtbar|talk]])<br />
* DECT was switched off too early. DECT is mandatory for teardown, especially as the gsm coverage is quite bad -- [[User:Sirgoofy|sirgoofy]]<br />
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=== Parcel deliveries ===<br />
* Many people that ordered things to the field were (seemingly) unaware of how parcel deliveries were supposed to work. This caused unnecessary overhead. -- [[User:Pinoaffe|Pinoaffe]] ([[User talk:Pinoaffe|talk]])<br />
* Collaborating with C3Post may be worthwhile for a next event, though they may not want to deal with large packages. -- [[User:Pinoaffe|Pinoaffe]] ([[User talk:Pinoaffe|talk]])<br />
** Delivering anything of real value sounds like a bad idea (on big events). Besides being way more effort than postcards, parcels (pending delivery) would require (secure-ish) storage space while not out for relivery or if the first delivery attempt failed. We'd also need extra couriers and not hand deliveries out to random passing-by hackers, which also leaks the info on the parcel (such as tracking numbers) to said random hackers. Also some postcards just got lost/didn't get delivered, which would be a real issue with parcels. -- [[User:Trilader|Trilader]] ([[User talk:Trilader|talk]])<br />
* Parcel deliveries had a procedure outlined at [[Parcel deliveries]] to keep them manageable, but somehow people still sent packages to the terrain without following the procedure, maybe something to add to the info booklet/advertise more?<br />
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=== Press / Media coverage ===<br />
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* Put your feedback here :)<br />
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=== Productiehuis / C3VOC ===<br />
* MOST EXCELLENT WORK!! -- [[User:Ahu|Ahu]] ([[User talk:Ahu|talk]])<br />
* The video-quality of the (few) talks I watched online was good, and I saw some nice fade effects. [[User:Fhp|Fhp]] ([[User talk:Fhp|talk]])<br />
* The hard cutoff of the intro tune annoys me every time. [[User:Fhp|Fhp]] ([[User talk:Fhp|talk]])<br />
* Kudos to the C3VOC! That was awesome! Video quality was excellent and the fact that each talk appeared in the C3 media archive only a couple of hours later impressed me very much. That is better service than many (or most?) commercial providers deliver. You people are fantastic! -- [[User:Mosquito|Mosquito]] ([[User talk:Mosquito|talk]])<br />
* Nothing short of amazing -- [[User:Raboof|Raboof]] ([[User talk:Raboof|talk]])<br />
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=== Projectleiding ===<br />
* Thank you for your work. -- [[User:Justelex|Justelex]] ([[User talk:Justelex|talk]])<br />
** +1 Agreement from my side -- [[User:Foorschtbar|Foorschtbar]] ([[User talk:Foorschtbar|talk]])<br />
** ++ -- [[User:M10|M10]] ([[User talk:M10|talk]])<br />
* <3 -- [[User:Raboof|Raboof]] ([[User talk:Raboof|talk]])<br />
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=== ROC ===<br />
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* Wheeze and his team did a excellent job! <br />
* Good work by the warehouse team for doing the battery swaps, saved a lot of time! [[User:MrLinux|MrLinux]]<br />
* Nice we had the HAM radio repeater! [[User:MrLinux|MrLinux]]<br />
* The ROC team lacked a bit on publicity, improvement for 2025! [[User:MrLinux|MrLinux]]<br />
* A QSL-wall could be an idea for 2025! [[User:MrLinux|MrLinux]]<br />
* We missed the VERON at the event [[User:MrLinux|MrLinux]]<br />
* Excellent Job. A Laminated card with "Radio rules" and the Channel distribution would be a nice thing to be handed out next time. -- [[User:Justelex|Justelex]] ([[User talk:Justelex|talk]])<br />
** Would definitely be good, just like enforcing the language on the radio, e.g. in a channel that was supposed to be explicitly in English, Dutch was often spoken anyway -- [[User:j0chen|j0chen]] ([[User talk:j0chen|talk]])<br />
* Next time after the DECT comes up, require as many radios as you can to be returned, forcing teams to use dect. Way better audio, point to point connections and people actually being reachable. -- [[User:Sebastius|Sebastius]] ([[User talk:Sebastius|talk]])<br />
* The audio quality sucked. Problem with the chosen technology, i know. Most conversations were completely unintelligible. -- [[User:Sebastius|Sebastius]] ([[User talk:Sebastius|talk]])<br />
* Teach people how to use the radio properly. I still don't know which name goes first etc. -- [[User:Sebastius|Sebastius]] ([[User talk:Sebastius|talk]])<br />
* Reconsider channel system. It happened too often that people were calling/listening on the wrong channel. [[User:Flimpie|Flimpie]] ([[User talk:Flimpie|talk]]) 22:38, 1 August 2022 (CEST)<br />
* Educate people on radio etiquette and how to properly talk into a radio. Yelling/speaking too quietly/having too much BG noise, combined with DMR compression creates inaudible speech [[User:Flimpie|Flimpie]] ([[User talk:Flimpie|talk]]) 22:38, 1 August 2022 (CEST)<br />
* Ensuring that the correct language is spoken. I heard a lot of Dutch during some security angelshifts, even though the channel was supposed to be in English. -- [[User:j0chen|j0chen]] ([[User talk:j0chen|talk]])<br />
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=== Safety / stewards / first aid / Fire Marshalls ===<br />
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* Phone numbers or other contact information was hard to find at the beginning of the event, added to the wiki later. --[[User:Juerd|Juerd]] ([[User talk:Juerd|talk]]) 20:47, 30 July 2022 (CEST)<br />
* There were no backup mobile phone numbers (at least none published) for reaching the safety teams in case of infrastructure outage, and they were unreachable when the network was down. --[[User:Juerd|Juerd]] ([[User talk:Juerd|talk]]) 20:47, 30 July 2022 (CEST)<br />
* Security: Bike path was open to all, so technically anyone could get on the terrain without a ticket. Which meant at least a few unwelcome visitors. - [[User:Noor|Noor]] ([[User talk:Noor|talk]])<br />
* I was surprised that the fire extinguishers were the first things being collected from our village (Geraffel) during teardown. At this time we still had a lot of people staying and as murphy wills, the fat bowl of our our barbecue catched fire afterwards. Fortunately nothing bad happened but my expectation would be to have extinguishers available until rented tents are torn down / all visitors are gone. At lease in large villages like ours. -- [[User:Cyb3rk41|Cyb3rk41]] ([[User talk:Cyb3rk41|talk]])<br />
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=== Shuttle services (train station, and luggage on site) ===<br />
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* Shuttle drop-off point on field should have been marked somewhere on the maps or wiki, during build-up. I spent forever asking around trying to find the drop-off point, only to find it at heaven. - [[User:Noor|Noor]] ([[User talk:Noor|talk]])<br />
* Shuttle was efficient and worked well when I used it -- [[User:SK|SK]] ([[User talk:SK|talk]])<br />
* Shuttle ticket was a bit last-minute and unclear (i.e. afaik never produced an actual "ticket", which lead to questions - and in the end was more like a donation than a strictly-required ticket) -- [[User:SK|SK]] ([[User talk:SK|talk]])<br />
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=== Supermarket ===<br />
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* The supermarket was a really valuable addition to the event, and probably saved lots of fuel and time for people. I found the prices acceptable, and the choice of products was surprisingly broad! --[[User:Juerd|Juerd]] ([[User talk:Juerd|talk]]) 20:47, 30 July 2022 (CEST)<br />
** +1 Agreement from my side -- [[User:Foorschtbar|Foorschtbar]] ([[User talk:Foorschtbar|talk]])<br />
* Supermarket was a great thing and I hope we'll have it at the next event. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])<br />
* Supermarket was wonderful, it felt like being back in civilization again and I could just zip inside to get a drink or breakfast for the next morning. - [[User:Noor|Noor]] ([[User talk:Noor|talk]])<br />
* was very useful to have and surprisingly well-stocked (i.e. not just packaged junk food). Next time they'll know to bring less soft-drinks and more Ethernet/USB/... cables ;) -- [[User:SK|SK]] ([[User talk:SK|talk]])<br />
* Guests from abroad struggled to make use of the supermarket, since it didn't accept foreign cards and there was no ATM on site. -- [[User:HerraBRE|HerraBRE]]<br />
* The supermarket was a really good idea, however my card was not accepted so I was very dependent on cash - Very limited without an ATM on camp. -- [[User:j0chen|j0chen]] ([[User talk:j0chen|talk]])<br />
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=== Sysadmin / bofh ===<br />
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* Having had to deal with the crumbling of central infrastructure in other events, I really appreciated the stability of the wiki and Engelsystem before and throughout the event. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])<br />
* Engelsystem and wiki could've used longer login sessions. Every time I tried to quickly check my angel shifts I had to login again. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])<br />
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=== Terrain ===<br />
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* The western way to quiet camping was not accessible: so narrow that you can only go one way at a time and a huge log being in the way.<br />
** I actually opened it up significantly with a trolley, it had 1,5m high weeds on it and was almost overgrown. [[User:SA007|SA007]] ([[User talk:SA007|talk]])<br />
* The quiet camping area (Wilson field) turned out to be quite crammed and could be bigger for the next event. I assume this was caused by the scouts taking some of that area due to the unfortunate double booking. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])<br />
* The quiet camping really missed a shower container, nearest was the family village, a 15 mins walk. (with sha2017 there was one) [[User:MrLinux|MrLinux]]<br />
* Not something really on us, I knew that the public bike path was to remain open. Most bikers were considerable in slowing down when crossing the Backbone at least, but some seemed to really adamant to enforce the negative stereotypes of people on road bikes. Create some speed bumps with cable ramps next time maybe? -- [[User:Dany|Dany]] ([[User talk:Dany|talk]])<br />
* It would have been good to (more strongly) encourage people with small children to camp in Family Zone and not Quiet Camping (Wilson field). It's unreasonable to expect small children to be quiet all the time, and yet this is what is expected on Wilson. Maybe we can make that clearer. [[User:Moem|Moem]] ([[User talk:Moem|talk]]) 13:49, 31 July 2022 (CEST)<br />
* really loved having the orga tents on the south trunk. For next time, maybe only have those teams on there that actually interact with visitors. -- [[User:Sebastius|Sebastius]] ([[User talk:Sebastius|talk]])<br />
* Next time maybe also place some villages on the south trunk road, the south trunk looked a bit 'dead' now with only orga tents. -- [[User:Sebastius|Sebastius]] ([[User talk:Sebastius|talk]])<br />
* The Zuse 'aux' path over the dike was weird and not signed properly, I walked it at night and actually looked at the map on my phone where the spot should be to get down off the dike. The path seemed to be 'walk up the dike', 'don't see any hint on where the path should be going...', 'look it up', 'walk ~150m to the left without any clue if it is the correct way' 'suddenly find a path down again'. [[User:SA007|SA007]] ([[User talk:SA007|talk]])<br />
* For me, it was the first hacker camp and i like the terrain with the ways, water, lakes, woods etc. much more than other camps, where all tens be a on a very large field -- [[User:Foorschtbar|Foorschtbar]] ([[User talk:Foorschtbar|talk]])<br />
** It was the same for me and I'm also a big fan of the terrain. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])<br />
* The online map was great - would be nice to 'level it up' for next time: searching on the map, better interlinking with the wiki, export to OsmAnd in a way that allows searching as well, mobile usability, etc -- [[User:Raboof|Raboof]] ([[User talk:Raboof|talk]])<br />
* Having the online map was great, but I wish to have something more optimized for mobile devices for the next event. Performance was poor (in mobile Firefox at least) and I totally missed the options menu for showing villages. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])<br />
* The online map was great, but I worked a lot with printed maps which were all outdated. I dont expect daily printouts, but during the teardown, the maps were still at the level of Day 0, where much has already been moved. Due to the missing Village function, the webmap was not an alternative for me.<br />
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=== Ticket and Entrance ===<br />
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* Just works! Thank u -- [[User:Foorschtbar|Foorschtbar]] ([[User talk:Foorschtbar|talk]])<br />
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=== Toilets / Showers ===<br />
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* The maintenance crew for the toilets/showers did a great job, IMHO, those facilities where usually in very good shape. [[User:Alxndr|Alxndr]] ([[User talk:Alxndr|talk]])<br />
** +1 Agreement from my side -- [[User:Foorschtbar|Foorschtbar]] ([[User talk:Foorschtbar|talk]])<br />
** +1 All facilities were great, better than anything I'm used to -- [[User:j0chen|j0chen]] ([[User talk:j0chen|talk]])<br />
** +1 -- [[User:Bronsen|Bronsen]] ([[User talk:Bronsen|talk]])<br />
* Easily the best showers of any hacker camp I've been to. -- [[User:Q3k|Q3k]] ([[User talk:Q3k|talk]])<br />
* There should have been showers closer to the quiet camping area. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])<br />
* This has been my first hacker camp and I don't know the "hacker camp standards" on showers but I know a lot of music festivals. Compared to this, I must say the showering experience was simply great! I always had warm water and never had to queue and this is something I NEVER experienced on any festival yet - I'm used to waiting and then having cold water only. -- [[User:Cyb3rk41|Cyb3rk41]] ([[User talk:Cyb3rk41|talk]])<br />
* Having urinals in all places where normal toilets were available would greatly have contributed to the cleanliness of the toilets, I suppose. -- [[User:Cyb3rk41|Cyb3rk41]] ([[User talk:Cyb3rk41|talk]])<br />
** +1 Agreement from my side -- [[User:Foorschtbar|Foorschtbar]] ([[User talk:Foorschtbar|talk]])<br />
* The showers and toilets were GREAT. Well done everyone involved! Random suggestion: it was warm enough that I would actually have welcomed a (cheaper and more eco-friendly?) cold shower option. -- [[User:HerraBRE|HerraBRE]]<br />
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=== Villages ===<br />
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* It is useful that villages are distributed over the field beforehand, but I think it would be reasonable to expect villages to 'lay their claim' physically on day 0 at the latest, and from day 1 onwards have any remaining empty space welcome unaffiliated hackers. Forcing unaffiliated hackers onto designated "free for all" areas seems like an antipattern to me. It might be better to have 'dots' on the map rather than 'areas' for distributing the villages, to promote more flexibility? Perhaps we can make pretty 'poles' to put into the ground saying "Village X will be around here, and is a small/medium/big village" for orientation? -- [[User:Raboof|Raboof]] ([[User talk:Raboof|talk]])<br />
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=== Village tent/furniture rental (Moebelhaus) ===<br />
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* Our tent ended up being rotated by pi/2 compared to the map. This ended up totally throwing off what we were planning. We managed regardless, but it'd be great if in the future these maps would actually reflect reality :). -- [[User:Q3k|Q3k]] ([[User talk:Q3k|talk]])<br />
* Our tent was leaking, especially on the connector between modules. -- [[User:Q3k|Q3k]] ([[User talk:Q3k|talk]])<br />
* Don't see a spot for team tents. The Deco tent had a steel bar all around the bottom, making it really annoying with carts and a trip hazard. [[User:SA007|SA007]] ([[User talk:SA007|talk]])<br />
* Great service, very useful, good stuff. It would be nice to have some way to see which furniture was still 'in flight' and which had already been delivered, to catch missing/misdelivered furniture earlier -- [[User:Raboof|Raboof]] ([[User talk:Raboof|talk]])<br />
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=== Visitors ===<br />
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* Most visitors were excellent, as always. But in the next few years when thinking of the next event, we should probably talk about people who I guess must be new to this community, that are incredibly lax with the photo/filming policy, and behave like consumers instead of participants. --[[User:Juerd|Juerd]] ([[User talk:Juerd|talk]]) 20:49, 30 July 2022 (CEST)<br />
** agreed, many post in social media contain lots of peoples faces. I doubt that everyone was asked for permission.<br />
* I suspect that there were quite a lot of 'visitors' that didn't have a ticket on site walking around besides the scouts. [[User:SA007|SA007]] ([[User talk:SA007|talk]])<br />
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=== Volunteering / Angels ===<br />
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* Providing the angels with reusable water bottles was a very good idea. [[User:Alxndr|Alxndr]] ([[User talk:Alxndr|talk]])<br />
** Agreed -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])<br />
** +1 - I did use it a lot more than I expected at first, which was probably quite healthy to do -- [[User:SK|SK]] ([[User talk:SK|talk]])<br />
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==== Angel Food ====<br />
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* My only complaint about Mecklenb[öoøu]rg(er)? is that I still don't know how to spell their name. The food is wonderful, the people are great too! --[[User:Juerd|Juerd]] ([[User talk:Juerd|talk]]) 20:51, 30 July 2022 (CEST)<br />
** +1 Agreement from my side. The only thing i missed was more sorts of tea. i buyed one box of peppermint tea bags, and they where empty in 1h which means the people like it (more)!? -- [[User:Foorschtbar|Foorschtbar]] ([[User talk:Foorschtbar|talk]])<br />
* The food was great, as always :) -- [[User:Pinoaffe|Pinoaffe]] ([[User talk:Pinoaffe|talk]])<br />
* The angel food was incredible. One of the highlights of this event. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])<br />
* Angel food was mostly great, except for the dinner on day 0 and some dishes otherwise. I'd also have appreciated some sort of meat at least every other day. - [[User:Noor|Noor]] ([[User talk:Noor|talk]])<br />
* As always very good. Only complaint lack of coffee mugs -- [[User:SK|SK]] ([[User talk:SK|talk]])<br />
** Ha! I think i did order them, but for some reason we didn't get them. Will make a note for next time. -- [[User:Sebastius|Sebastius]] ([[User talk:Sebastius|talk]])<br />
* The Angel food was to die for (sorry, couldn't resist), big thanks to the Mecklenb[öoøu]rg(er) crew for that. Didn't miss a meat option at all. -- [[User:Dany|Dany]] ([[User talk:Dany|talk]])<br />
* I want a Mecklenbørger for my next birthday. It was just so relaxing to know that the kitchen was completely meat-free. [[User:Moem|Moem]] ([[User talk:Moem|talk]]) 13:52, 31 July 2022 (CEST)<br />
* Great food just like at SHA, and nice to have no worries about things containing meat :) -- [[User:F0x|F0x]] ([[User talk:F0x|talk]])<br />
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==== Angel Kitchen ====<br />
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* Dishwashing was a lot more manageable than at previous events, thanks to the fact that there as more equipment available. -- [[User:Pinoaffe|Pinoaffe]] ([[User talk:Pinoaffe|talk]])<br />
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==== Angel desk and Angel system ====<br />
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* I'd really like it if the Engelsystem alert emails contained the actual update in the email content. I'd get spammed with email notifications and if I wanted to actually read the update, I'd have to click through and login to the Engelsystem. I just ended up leaving most of those updates unread throughout the day. - [[User:Noor|Noor]] ([[User talk:Noor|talk]])<br />
* Would be nice if the angelsystem was more usable on mobile -- [[User:Raboof|Raboof]] ([[User talk:Raboof|talk]])<br />
* The login sessions could have been a bit longer, I was constantly kicked out when I just wanted to look up something. -- [[User:j0chen|j0chen]] ([[User talk:j0chen|talk]])<br />
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==== Heaven ====<br />
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* I assume this was just some miscommunication etc, but the outdoor seating was removed too early, esp given covid situation. Otherwise all good. -- [[User:SK|SK]] ([[User talk:SK|talk]])<br />
** Yeah, it happened when i wasn't looking. We should have moved some tables outside. -- [[User:Sebastius|Sebastius]] ([[User talk:Sebastius|talk]])<br />
* The rules for core-team people (which were doing shifts outside the angel-system) for the heaven food should be made more clear. [[User:MrLinux|MrLinux]]<br />
** That was actually really clear. Your teamlead might not have communicated it to you. Red wristband for 'full time work during event' and vouchers obtainable by teamleads for those doing work outside of the angel system. -- [[User:Sebastius|Sebastius]] ([[User talk:Sebastius|talk]])<br />
* I dearly wish we would have had the time to decorate Heaven. Unfortunately, the loss of time during buildup (*shakes fist at the weather gods*) made that impossible. The tent itself was splendid, so spacious. [[User:Moem|Moem]] ([[User talk:Moem|talk]]) 13:54, 31 July 2022 (CEST)<br />
** Ah well, we did a little by ourselves with the parasols, and it was fine! Next time! -- [[User:Sebastius|Sebastius]] ([[User talk:Sebastius|talk]])<br />
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=== Warehouse ===<br />
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* Warehouse did a really great job. And I requested some really strange things. They even got Powercables and a Compressor for repairing the Flamethrowers. -- [[User:Justelex|Justelex]] ([[User talk:Justelex|talk]])<br />
** +1 Agreement from my side -- [[User:Foorschtbar|Foorschtbar]] ([[User talk:Foorschtbar|talk]])<br />
* Warehouse should maybe stock more small stepladders, I feel they were regularly all in use. Otherwise great supplies. [[User:SA007|SA007]] ([[User talk:SA007|talk]])<br />
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=== Waste / garbage / trash ===<br />
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* Slightly sad that trash was just split into “glass” and “everything else”. It'd be nice if we could at least recycle cardboard/paper! -- [[User:Q3k|Q3k]] ([[User talk:Q3k|talk]])<br />
** Agreed. Throwing everything into the "Other Waste" containers felt wrong. I understand this was on the waste company dropping the ball. Let's make sure this won't happen at the next event. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])<br />
** +1 Agreement from my side -- [[User:Foorschtbar|Foorschtbar]] ([[User talk:Foorschtbar|talk]])<br />
** That was the supplier dropping the ball in almost every category. It was in the plan (i co-wrote it) -- [[User:Sebastius|Sebastius]] ([[User talk:Sebastius|talk]])<br />
* an awful lot of mate etc bottles ended up in glass trash I think - the later-deployed bottle collection crates helped with that -- [[User:SK|SK]] ([[User talk:SK|talk]])<br />
** Yeah that happened last time too. We did plan for drop points. Not sure why the points weren't deployed earlier by team Bar. -- [[User:Sebastius|Sebastius]] ([[User talk:Sebastius|talk]])</div>Bronsenhttps://wiki.mch2022.org/index.php?title=Feedback&diff=18122Feedback2022-08-03T16:37:35Z<p>Bronsen: /* Toilets / Showers */ +1 for great service</p>
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=== General / overall ===<br />
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* So happy about the progressive pride and Antifa flag on the tower<br />
* Awesome event again, thanks to everyone who did their part to making it such -- [[User:SK|SK]] ([[User talk:SK|talk]])<br />
* It was fantastic and I am already stoked for the next one! -- [[User:Mosquito|Mosquito]] ([[User talk:Mosquito|talk]])<br />
** +1 Agreement from my side -- [[User:Foorschtbar|Foorschtbar]] ([[User talk:Foorschtbar|talk]])<br />
* I had a great camp overall, it was way more comfortable than I'd expected and things seemed to run smoothly. Being greeted by progressive pride flag on the Orga tent and tower instantly made me feel at ease. -- [[User:Dany|Dany]] ([[User talk:Dany|talk]])<br />
* would be a really good idea to water the ways more often, to prevent the dust. -- [[User:Justelex|Justelex]] ([[User talk:Justelex|talk]])<br />
** I'd be afraid this would quickly turn into mud, and I prefer dust to mud -- [[User:Pinoaffe|Pinoaffe]] ([[User talk:Pinoaffe|talk]])<br />
* It seems that there was so much time spend on nice to haves and to little on must haves resulting in quite a few people beeing totally burned out, I really wonder if its worth it organizing it again next year at this size with this much "consumers" visiting and maybe just going back to a smaller size is nicer, the big presence of sponsors also did not help with this feeling. -- [[User:Erik|Erik]] ([[User talk:Erik|talk]])<br />
** I am not quite sure where you saw those "consumers", especially since that would be quite a high entry price for a consumer (no daytickets and all). As far as I know we didn't finish selling all tickets so it was smaller then expected even. Although I do understand that you are longing for a smaller sized event (there are definitely a couple of those out there), I dearly hope that this event will even grow, since it is quite nice to have more and new people being interested and learning more. Sponsors I am unsure about, since I do know they were a big help in financing the whole event. With the point of being to burned out, that might be a problem of scheduling and volunteering, since there were around ~400 volunteers for the whole event (officially).<br />
** Don't worry, next year is not a thing, we do this every four years (Corona volente). As for the size of the event, for me it's just about right as it was this year, but opinions can and will always differ. If you like a cosy, small event that happens next year, Bornhack might be your thing.[[User:Moem|Moem]] ([[User talk:Moem|talk]])<br />
* Still amazed by the amount of creativity and community, so many people sharing what they love and are good at -- [[User:Raboof|Raboof]] ([[User talk:Raboof|talk]])<br />
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=== Arrival / departure / parking / train shuttle / luggage shuttle ===<br />
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* I was surprised twice that empty places in the field were apparently claimed. It was not clear to me that people had staked out places already on the wiki. This would seem to me one of The Most Important Things To Tell People: "whatever is on the wiki wins". Or perhaps abolish that, also fine by me, but in any case be very clear about it. I could also do with an AR app or so that shows me what people claimed :-) -- [[User:Ahu|Ahu]] ([[User talk:Ahu|talk]])<br />
** Next time we should plan some areas for 'those without village', i heard they were planned for this time but they might have gotten lost with the last minute rearranging due to the double booking. -- [[User:Sebastius|Sebastius]] ([[User talk:Sebastius|talk]])<br />
** (moved my feedback here to [[Feedback#Villages]]) -- [[User:Raboof|Raboof]] ([[User talk:Raboof|talk]])<br />
* Last day of the event felt kinda "lost" as people were beginning to tear things down from early on in the day well before the closing event. Was bit of a weird mood/feeling. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])<br />
** +1 Agreement from my side -- [[User:Foorschtbar|Foorschtbar]] ([[User talk:Foorschtbar|talk]])<br />
** While it is pretty normal for many people to already pack their things on the last day, the problem was certainly exacerbated by the fact that a roundmail on day 4 told all villages that their rented tents had to be "cleaned and empty" no later than 17:30 on day 5. That really gave villages no choice but to tear everything down during daytime on day 5. [[User:PoempelFox|PoempelFox]] ([[User talk:PoempelFox|talk]])<br />
* The parking area was way better then at Sha. A Regular people shuttle on the field with one or two 4+ seater golfcarts would be awesome for pregnant / people that can't walk long distances and so on. (Maybe also on call would be enough) -- [[User:Justelex|Justelex]] ([[User talk:Justelex|talk]])<br />
* "Shuttle goes when it goes" without any indication how long it will take is no option for people who have to catch their train/flight. We had many questions and complaints at the infodesk. A schedule would be great. -- [[User:Sirgoofy|sirgoofy]]<br />
* The shuttle stop changed during the event. It would be great to have a dedicated shuttle stop (with sign and timetable) during the event.<br />
* The payment system for the shuttle was too complicated. We had many questions about buying tickets at the infodesk. People tried to buy tickets in the online shop, but had problems getting their order paid. It would be better to make it free, or allow to pay in cash in the shuttle.<br />
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=== Badge ===<br />
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* Very well-made and polished badge, really surprised me with the effort put into it and its versatility! [[User:Vurpo|Vurpo]] ([[User talk:Vurpo|talk]]) 21:07, 30 July 2022 (CEST) <br />
** +1 Agreement from my side -- [[User:Foorschtbar|Foorschtbar]] ([[User talk:Foorschtbar|talk]])<br />
* The badge is really nice, but the price of MCH admission is already hindering people we'd like to reach. Perhaps do consider if we really need it. -- [[User:Ahu|Ahu]] ([[User talk:Ahu|talk]])<br />
* Awesome badge, I had a lot of fun tinkering with it during camp and always received helpful advice in the IRC channel. Please keep this project going! [[User:Alxndr|Alxndr]] ([[User talk:Alxndr|talk]])<br />
* The badge is amazing! However, I feel bad that my badges from previous events barely got used and this one is likely to suffer the same fate. For environmental/cost reasons, I kinda wish I could have opted out. Alternately, if there were a way to hand my badge in after the event and know it would be used for educational purposes later on, I would have given it up a heartbeat. -- [[User:HerraBRE|HerraBRE]]<br />
* Really love the badge, it inspired me to try micropython for the first time. Also I find it to be a piece of art, the PCB design is just great. On the other side, I'm also sceptical on the ecological aspects. I fear that many hackers will not use it anymore after the event or even never use it at all. Maybe it would be a good idea to offer badges as an option instead of giving everyone a piece. -- [[User:Cyb3rk41|Cyb3rk41]] ([[User talk:Cyb3rk41|talk]])<br />
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=== Bars and food court ===<br />
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* The capacity of the food-stands was quite low, which resulted in long waiting times. Not good with hungry kids. [[User:Fhp|Fhp]] ([[User talk:Fhp|talk]])<br />
* Agree with above: low capacity for the commercial food stands. They also didn't seem to grasp the concept of 'lunch'. I expected them to be up and running around 13.00, but most of them weren't, resulting in even longer lines at the places that were open earlier. -- [[User:Dany|Dany]] ([[User talk:Dany|talk]])<br />
* The food stands I've visited (Wok, Fries) had poor in-person advertising of everything that they were actually selling and how much it cost. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])<br />
** Agreed. Menu and pricing was often hard to read -- [[User:j0chen|j0chen]] ([[User talk:j0chen|talk]])<br />
* The Johny Cash Burger was great but mostly I fed on waffles by the awesome C3WOC <3. And of course one can rely on the Italian Hackers' Embassy for excellent pasta and Italian Grappa. By the way... is there a Spanish or French Embassy with similar services? Would put that on my checklist for the next camp. ;-) Oh and Angel Food was also great and healthy. Didn't miss meat there, eating more veg is better for the environment anyways. Thanks for the opportunity! Conclusion: Wide range, many choices, very good! -- [[User:Mosquito|Mosquito]] ([[User talk:Mosquito|talk]])<br />
* Frietsaus is not Mayo. [[User:MrLinux|MrLinux]]<br />
* The split layout of the bar/food area didn't really work. You couldn't see all in one go, so most people only visited one bar making a huge queue there. -- [[User:Sebastius|Sebastius]] ([[User talk:Sebastius|talk]])<br />
* Coffee vendor people had no idea what they were doing. Literally not knowing what a Latte Machiatto is while it's on their menu. -- [[User:Sebastius|Sebastius]] ([[User talk:Sebastius|talk]])<br />
* Next time get food vendors from several companies instead of using one single source. Yes it's more work to set up but this time the overall quality was not great (but acceptable). -- [[User:Sebastius|Sebastius]] ([[User talk:Sebastius|talk]])<br />
* Next time also get some vendors who do varied meals (every day a different choice, like the vegan place at CCCamp2019) at competitive pricing. -- [[User:Sebastius|Sebastius]] ([[User talk:Sebastius|talk]])<br />
** +1 I think some vendors (pizza) had very little choice, which has not changed. -- [[User:j0chen|j0chen]] ([[User talk:j0chen|talk]])<br />
* Next time allow Mecklenborger to also have a food-truck for the general public on camp. -- [[User:Sebastius|Sebastius]] ([[User talk:Sebastius|talk]]) +1<br />
* Overall nice. Might be good to promote villages that have good capacity for selling food as well somehow, to make it more 'integrated'? -- [[User:Raboof|Raboof]] ([[User talk:Raboof|talk]])<br />
** especially the C3WOC with their delicious waffles -- [[User:j0chen|j0chen]] ([[User talk:j0chen|talk]])<br />
* Unfortunately the bars were out of the larger plastic glasses very soon. -- [[User:Kokx|Kokx]] ([[User talk:Kokx|talk]])<br />
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=== Buildup and teardown ===<br />
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* As one of the persons who collected what felt like a kilometre of Flatterband at teardown, and removed a pile of pegs it was attached to, I would like to thank those buildup angels who didn't sink the pegs below ground level. You made my job a lot easier! :) [[User:Alxndr|Alxndr]] ([[User talk:Alxndr|talk]])<br />
** +1 Agreement from my side -- [[User:Foorschtbar|Foorschtbar]] ([[User talk:Foorschtbar|talk]])<br />
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=== COVID19 precautions ===<br />
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* Thanks for caring about ventilation. [https://grafana.mch2022.org/d/q9gZutJ7z/mch2022?orgId=1&viewPanel=30&from=1658492800367&to=1658853839068 CO2 meters] and open sides weren't in place during the opening talk, but this was fixed quickly after and I heard the security team kept an eye on the graphs. --[[User:Juerd|Juerd]] ([[User talk:Juerd|talk]]) 20:43, 30 July 2022 (CEST)<br />
* I liked the availability of masks and self tests for those who forgot to bring their own. I've heard about a few dozen people who got infected, but there were probably more. Thanks to the rapid tests and the heroes who chose to isolate, we may have averted a disastrous superspreading event. --[[User:Juerd|Juerd]] ([[User talk:Juerd|talk]]) 22:02, 30 July 2022 (CEST)<br />
** +1 Agreement from my side -- [[User:Foorschtbar|Foorschtbar]] ([[User talk:Foorschtbar|talk]])<br />
** Very much appreciated the easy availability of masks and rapid tests. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])<br />
* It would have been good to switch from recommended to required mask wearing, at least indoors, once it became clear that "personal responsibility" wasn't working out (even in this community, what a disappointment). [[User:Alxndr|Alxndr]] ([[User talk:Alxndr|talk]])<br />
** Agreeing on all points. Was also a bit disappointed. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])<br />
** Its quite hard to do that in a country where this is not a rule anymore.<br />
* It was good to request/require mask wearing in the food queue in Heaven. It would have been even better to do it from the very beginning. [[User:Moem|Moem]] ([[User talk:Moem|talk]]) 09:20, 31 July 2022 (CEST)<br />
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=== Cohesion ===<br />
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* Put your feedback here :)<br />
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=== Content / talks / heralds / speakerdesk / AV / recordings ===<br />
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* In the end it worked pretty well, but perhaps do ponder having some "known good" presenter laptops/devices available. This has worked very well for other conferences. I used a 200 euro Chromebook with a throwaway google account. -- [[User:Ahu|Ahu]] ([[User talk:Ahu|talk]])<br />
* This is a matter of taste - if you light up the speakers real well, the audience can enjoy a well lighted speaker. But the speaker then often can't see the audience. And during my talks, I love to actually see the audience. This was better in 2017 (at least in Abacus and Battery). -- [[User:Ahu|Ahu]] ([[User talk:Ahu|talk]])<br />
* The speaker desk and the room to work is absolutely ACE. -- [[User:Ahu|Ahu]] ([[User talk:Ahu|talk]])<br />
* Very friendly and helpful people at the speakerdesk and also Heralds and other Angels. Dry running my laptop with the monitor at the Speaker Desk before the talk made me much calmer once I knew that worked. Thank you! -- [[User:Mosquito|Mosquito]] ([[User talk:Mosquito|talk]])<br />
* had the opposite experience: crablab forgot giving me a speaker badge and was not very hospitable "i'd prefer if you bought your mate at the bar" the single time I asked for one in order to work on my slides -- [[User:Fraxinas|Fraxinas]] ([[User talk:Fraxinas|talk]])<br />
* Generally felt welcome as a speaker, thanks! I didn't end up using the speaker area as it felt a bit like a 'fish tank' being so exposed to the main road (but that might be a personal hang-up ;) ) -- [[User:Raboof|Raboof]] ([[User talk:Raboof|talk]])<br />
* It would have been nice to have a more 'integrated' programme containing both the 'curated' content and the 'self-organized' sessions. It was nice that some self-organized sessions were added to https://program.mch2022.org but it'd be even nicer to have that 'direct' somehow -- [[User:Raboof|Raboof]] ([[User talk:Raboof|talk]])<br />
* It would have been nice to have an officially-recommended app - Giggity worked great on Android, just promoting that more might have been a good start -- [[User:Raboof|Raboof]] ([[User talk:Raboof|talk]])<br />
* It would be nice to cross-link the schedule with the livestreams/recordings better -- [[User:Raboof|Raboof]] ([[User talk:Raboof|talk]])<br />
* Several of the workshop presenters said they would make their presentations available, but the majority is unfindable. I did understand a presentation can be added to the schedule, but it is hard to spot that this has actually been done. Maybe an independent index with such material can be made and material actively requested? -- [[User:M10|M10]] ([[User talk:M10|talk]])<br />
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=== CTF ===<br />
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* The CTF as a whole was excellent. Really interesting challenges on multiple categories and I still think this is the best CTF I have attended. Even the easy challenges had nice twists to them, no basic "'or 1=1;-- = flag" here. -- [[User:Onja|Onja]]<br />
* Both the competitors and the organizers I chatted with were very nice and passionate. Organizers gave good hints without giving too much away on couple of the challenges when we were stuck. -- [[User:Onja|Onja]]<br />
* There were plenty of beverages to keep us going, hard part was to remember to eat something once in a while. <br />
* Only complaint I have is about the ctf area: the outside tent was mostly more trouble than it was worth with wind trying to blow the whole tent away and the inside got crowded pretty fast. DT lounge area was nice but I'm not 1337 h4x0r enough to sit there 4 days in a row, my back will kill me. :D -- [[User:Onja|Onja]]<br />
* Looking forward to reading challenge writeups (I still want to hear the creators thoughts on Coinflip even though we eventually managed to solve it). Also I agree that Coinflip was one of the tougher challenges, should have been 200 pts (whine, whine). -- [[User:Onja|Onja]]<br />
* Summary: We will definitely be back next time! -- [[User:Onja|Onja]]<br />
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=== Decoration / design ===<br />
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* Well done all around -- [[User:SK|SK]] ([[User talk:SK|talk]]) 01:07, 31 July 2022 (CEST)<br />
* The design was so colorful and well thought out, it gave team Deco a lot to work with. Great job! [[User:Moem|Moem]] ([[User talk:Moem|talk]]) 09:22, 31 July 2022 (CEST) <br />
** +1 Agreement from my side -- [[User:Foorschtbar|Foorschtbar]] ([[User talk:Foorschtbar|talk]])<br />
* The deco was really cool, I especially liked the UV-reactive strings that gave the illusion of lasers and the super cute felt plants in the Silent Lounge. -- [[User:Dany|Dany]] ([[User talk:Dany|talk]])<br />
* Both design and deco were amazing! Also great that it was available beforehand, including the 'generator', so villages etc could use it in their preparations as well -- [[User:Raboof|Raboof]] ([[User talk:Raboof|talk]])<br />
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=== Family / kids ===<br />
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* Great vibe at the zone \o/<br />
* Maybe one or two hot water faucets would be useful (for baby care, for dishwashing, etc)<br />
* Sponsors like to party, maybe keep that in mind when planning in the noise gradient<br />
* As someone without kids I love that people feel welcome to bring theirs, and the atmosphere that comes with that. Accidentally ran into the "balloon folding (for adults)" workshop which was hilarious. Great fun. -- [[User:Raboof|Raboof]] ([[User talk:Raboof|talk]])<br />
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=== Finance / coins / payments ===<br />
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* Payment by card worked mostly well, other than the supermarket not accepting international cards. My main issue was that the payment system was not well enough explained before the actual event! The blog post and wiki page were pretty long and still left me confused about what the actual payment system on the field was going to end up being. Even a simple "TL;DR we will use regular international payment cards with chip/contactless" would have helped me. [[User:Vurpo|Vurpo]] ([[User talk:Vurpo|talk]]) 21:04, 30 July 2022 (CEST)<br />
* I asked at several bars and the food court where I could get the prepaid card for the MCH payment system, but nobody knew, so I ended up using my regular payment card. [[User:Alxndr|Alxndr]] ([[User talk:Alxndr|talk]]<br />
** The MCH payment system only was operational from day 1 (with paper QR codes) and the ability to print them on plastic cards was added later - [[User:Noor|Noor]]<br />
** yeah communication could have been better, the main problem was that most of it was arranged by one single person (never a good idea). Next time we need to find more people who work on the financial/tickets stuff. <br />
* I liked the idea of the cashless QR-code, especially the later upgrade to a "hard card" rather than just a stub of thermal paper. Avoids using the big payment providers and frees one of having to carry around cash. However I would've loved seeing more universal acceptance around the event (for example at the supermarket). -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])<br />
** +1 Agreement from my side. I missed also the acceptance at the Merch stand -- [[User:Foorschtbar|Foorschtbar]] ([[User talk:Foorschtbar|talk]])<br />
* As a foreigner visiting, I was VERY happy that I could use my card to tap and pay almost everywhere. Get the supermarket on board next time and you get a perfect score from me! The QR code system also worked quite well (I took payment at the bar a few times). I was impressed, well done. - [[User:HerraBRE|HerraBRE]]<br />
* Payment with payment cards in combination with PIN code failed. (only contactless worked, until the 50 euro weekly limit was reached.) [[User:MrLinux|MrLinux]]<br />
* The payment system is too complex and impractical for such an event. At the infodesk there were many questions and complaints on the payment system. People were confused about whether their bank card is accepted or wanted to buy QR-codes with their cards. There were many complaints about the complexity of the payment system. Normally, payment on such events is straightforward (give some money, get a drink). I guess this complicated system also restrained people from buying drinks (just a gut feeling from the number of bottles collected on the field by Team BOC). There were also many people complaining that they could not get unused money from the QR codes (because they had to leave early or came too late). -- [[User:Sirgoofy|sirgoofy]]<br />
* The payment system encouraged people not to bring cash, with is a huge issue for villages -- [[User:Sirgoofy|sirgoofy]]<br />
** Many villages rely on donations to cover costs, e.g., for food or parts for workshops, like the Italian Embassy, Millyways, Team Badge, c3woc (waffles), Chaos Post. Donations in cash are straightforward and understandable. Handling cashless donations is complicated (especially for people donating), expensive (i.e., fees), and requires bank accounts (which many villages don't have as they're just a bunch of people and no legal instance).<br />
** Cashless donations would be handy, though. Many international visitors don't have cash.<br />
** It would be great if people could donate using the QR code system (and buy QR codes cashless) -- [[User:Sirgoofy|sirgoofy]]<br />
* The MCH Payment system was a great benefit. Also that a plastic card could be created that was clearly more robust than the QR code on thermal paper.... Unfortunately, the machine took a long time to accept a bill. In addition, it would be nice to be able to recharge cards so that you can get through the camp with a printed card without directly charging one huge amount. -- [[User:j0chen|j0chen]] ([[User talk:j0chen|talk]])<br />
* An ATM would be great next time. My card was declined most of the time, so I reliant on my cash (and an ATM outside of camp) -- [[User:j0chen|j0chen]] ([[User talk:j0chen|talk]])<br />
** Or a possibility to get some cash at a desk or so? Cash needed to be handled anyway for the QR codes -- [[User:Sirgoofy|sirgoofy]]<br />
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=== Harbour / Ferry ===<br />
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* Loved the ferry service not as much as a shuttle to the other side of the water way, but as a way to enjoy some quiet time and a light breeze to (mentally) recharge away from the event. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])<br />
* The Ferry Service was great, and especially the operating hours where great. -- [[User:Justelex|Justelex]] ([[User talk:Justelex|talk]]) +1<br />
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=== Information / infodesk / wiki ===<br />
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* The infodesk should've been open for longer/as long as possible. (background: I've sat on the NOC helpdesk a bunch of times after the last infodesk angles were gone and dealt with quite a few people that were originally looking for the helpdesk; also being able to respond to infodesk calls for longer). -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])<br />
* Would be nice if the wiki was more usable on mobile -- [[User:Raboof|Raboof]] ([[User talk:Raboof|talk]])<br />
* The infodesk should be open earlier, at least starting day 0. It was unfortunate that the furniture was late (w/o desk no infodesk) -- [[User:Sirgoofy|sirgoofy]]<br />
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=== Lounges ===<br />
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* Silent lounge was very well done. Nicely decorated and people behaving very considerate (i.e. really tried to be silent). No wonder that it was popular to the point where it could've used more pillows. I was worried that people would start camping inside the lounge (similar things happen at congress for example), but that didn't turn out to be true. I've seen plenty of people taking a nap away from the noise of the event, but thankfully nobody started living inside the lounge. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])<br />
* Besides the silent lounge, I wish there were more places for people, especially for those without a village, to relax in the shade near an Ethernet port and power outlet. In the harbour there was the wood table with tent roof and the bar with a couple of seats, but both away from power outlets. Otherwise, besides the couple of deckchairs, we mostly hard hard wooden benches near the food court without shade (and no power sockets). -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])<br />
** +1 agreed, a few dedicated shaded outdoor spots would've been nice -- [[User:SK|SK]] ([[User talk:SK|talk]])<br />
** +1 I was going to write the same. Seating on the western part of the food court was hardly used because there was no shadow. Everyone was cramped beneath the roof tent in front of the east bar. On previous events there were more public spaces with roofing, sofas, bean bags, power and network. Nice place with hammocks at the speaker desk but also now shadow. Roof tents would also provide shelter in case of rain (as experienced on previous camps).<br />
** +1 I'd enjoy that as well! Perhaps with some way to announce what you're working on to encourage spontaneous conversations? Not sure how that would work though -- [[User:Raboof|Raboof]] ([[User talk:Raboof|talk]])<br />
** +1 A few shady sitting areas for hackers without Village; with sockets and ethernet sockets would have been very pleasant especially in the sunny and warm weather. -- [[User:j0chen|j0chen]] ([[User talk:j0chen|talk]])<br />
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=== Merchandise ===<br />
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* The designs look great, I'm a fan of the asymmetry and the patterned sleeves. Not being able to go a size up or down from what you ordered online was kind of disappointing. Not a major issue for myself but I know of several people who were sad about this. The [[merch exchange]] is not a great solution, but better than nothing. --[[User:Juerd|Juerd]] ([[User talk:Juerd|talk]]) 20:54, 30 July 2022 (CEST)<br />
** That mostly was the result of not receiving as many units as we ordered, sadly. -- [[User:Sebastius|Sebastius]] ([[User talk:Sebastius|talk]])<br />
* Merch was great: Awesome design and high quality. Preodering saved me from having to stay in a (humongous) line in the heat. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])<br />
* I absolutely love the hexagonal patterns and diagrams, but the amount of purple/pink was enough to keep me from buying more than a hat (that, and sizes being too big for me). - [[User:Noor|Noor]] ([[User talk:Noor|talk]])<br />
* Nice merch, despite at first not being a fan of the design. Option to preorder is great. -- [[User:SK|SK]] ([[User talk:SK|talk]])<br />
* OK so maybe I'm a dinosaur, but if I'd known that "fitted" was inclusive for "ladies", I wouldn't have ordered a way-too-small T-shirt. Not a complaint really, but maybe that could have been explained better? Help us old farts get with the program! :-D<br />
** 'Fitted' does not mean 'ladies', it means snug and cut to cling to the body, not baggy and loose. I know plenty of gentlemen who prefer that style. [[User:Moem|Moem]] ([[User talk:Moem|talk]])<br />
* Love the zipper design and quality, will be one of my favourite pieces from now on :) Preorder and pickup was easy and a great option to avoid long queues at the merch booth. -- [[User:Cyb3rk41|Cyb3rk41]] ([[User talk:Cyb3rk41|talk]])<br />
* I love how the shirts and hoodies look, but I'm worried about how well they will hold up when being washed. The rainbow looks like it will fall off just like the yellow SHA robot did. You hardly see the SHA shirts being worn anymore... but OHM and even HAR shirts, yes. [[User:Moem|Moem]] ([[User talk:Moem|talk]])<br />
** +1 love the looks but concerned about the large areas (beam/rainbow) as well - those already seemed to have faded a bit from being folded up in a damp tent... -- [[User:Raboof|Raboof]] ([[User talk:Raboof|talk]])<br />
* Loved that there were angel shirts in a different color than black again ;) -- [[User:Raboof|Raboof]] ([[User talk:Raboof|talk]])<br />
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=== Miscellaneous ===<br />
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* Swan family was pretty relaxed with all the people and activity, camping out in the middle of the terrain. - [[User:Noor|Noor]] ([[User talk:Noor|talk]]<br />
* It would be nice to have some angel-staffed dishwashing station (with manual rinse and commercial dishwashers) somewhere, to help with saving water and time, and to increase general hygiene (we all know how camp dish cleanliness standards go...) -- [[User:Q3k|Q3k]] ([[User talk:Q3k|talk]])<br />
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=== Music/laser stage / silent disco / Symphony of Fire ===<br />
* The music/laser stage was not a great fit for the event. It drained the villages and talk tents, making those less interesting. Also the whole separate 'party area' does not work for me. I would not miss it if we didn't have one next time. -- [[User:Sebastius|Sebastius]] ([[User talk:Sebastius|talk]])<br />
* No clue why we had a music stage, but if we for some reason must have one, why not have hacker-music on it (e.g. robotic instruments, chiptunes, etc), it was mostly filled with mediocre covers of songs unrelated to the event entirely. [[User:SA007|SA007]] ([[User talk:SA007|talk]])<br />
* Party area was WAY too spacious for the amount of people using it. -- [[User:Sebastius|Sebastius]] ([[User talk:Sebastius|talk]])<br />
* Loved the silent disco setup though. Also really loved it being used at night to allow the byte battle thingie to take place. -- [[User:Sebastius|Sebastius]] ([[User talk:Sebastius|talk]])<br />
* Having hacker built flame throwers which normally look awesome mounted on a commercial stage actually takes away the home-built hacker vibe of those flame throwers. -- [[User:Sebastius|Sebastius]] ([[User talk:Sebastius|talk]])<br />
* Music stage with the flamethrowers, and Symphony of Fire were awesome. - [[User:Noor|Noor]] ([[User talk:Noor|talk]])<br />
* Very well done. Silent disco was a neat solution to the inherent noise conflicts. What exactly is going on could have been a bit more detailed in the schedule, some people were sad they missed interesting things because they didn't realize who was playing. -- [[User:SK|SK]] ([[User talk:SK|talk]])<br />
* For me, the music stage did not really add anything that I would miss if it dit not happen again on a next event. Symphony of Fire was indeed awesome, I wonder if they could have played on a raised podium so more people could have seen what was happening. [[User:Moem|Moem]] ([[User talk:Moem|talk]]) 09:27, 31 July 2022 (CEST)<br />
** +1 -- [[User:Fraxinas|Fraxinas]] ([[User talk:Fraxinas|talk]])<br />
** +1 Agreement from my side -- [[User:Foorschtbar|Foorschtbar]] ([[User talk:Foorschtbar|talk]])<br />
** +1 Symphony of Fire was *the* main act at the stages, a raised podium or bigscreen would have been great that more people can see something. Especially the crowding is perhaps a bit critical with regard to the COVID measures. -- [[User:j0chen|j0chen]] ([[User talk:j0chen|talk]])<br />
* Silent disco was so much fun! More, later, longer please! Seems like a great solution for us party animals who don't want calm after 2am. - [[User:HerraBRE|HerraBRE]]<br />
* Music stage was to loud, to horrible and went on for way to long it and nowhere on the terrain you did not hear it, making sleeping almost impossible for people who actually need proper sleep (yes quiet camping was also to loud). -- [[User:Erik|Erik]] ([[User talk:Erik|talk]])<br />
* Silent disco was a great idea. But for the next time, I'd appreciate it if it wasn't just announced in advance, but if there was also information about the technology, e.g. where/if I can get suitable headphones myself or on which frequencies it runs, so that I can build a receiver myself. As far as I have heard, it was probably possible to receive the radio on the entire camp? -- [[User:j0chen|j0chen]] ([[User talk:j0chen|talk]])<br />
* three points<br />
# The main stage did not have good sound, despite the the row of massive loudspeakers in front. <br />
# Flames were fantastic.<br />
# Big screen was good. -- [[User:Bronsen|Bronsen]] ([[User talk:Bronsen|talk]])<br />
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=== NOC / Network ===<br />
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* My SFP+ module got to stay in a datenklo. A++++ would camp again. -- [[User:Q3k|Q3k]] ([[User talk:Q3k|talk]])<br />
* Datenklos were sorely missing some CYBER(tm) reflective foil wrapping -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])<br />
** There was a plan for nice aluminium foil/plated cardboard skins with the field name and other decorations on it, but the weather during buildup threw a spanner into that idea... [[User:SA007|SA007]] ([[User talk:SA007|talk]])<br />
** +1 Agreement from my side -- [[User:Foorschtbar|Foorschtbar]] ([[User talk:Foorschtbar|talk]])<br />
* Some system for releasing cables from the datenklo switches at teardown would help. I couldn't recover my uplink cable and then later realised I left without it. Maybe give a key to a nearby village person that would release cables that have no more active link on a regular basis? -- [[User:M10|M10]] ([[User talk:M10|talk]])<br />
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=== Power ===<br />
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* Thank you very much for not cutting power off after the closing event as at SHA. -- [[User:Malaclypse|Malaclypse]] ([[User talk:Malaclypse|talk]])<br />
** +1 Agreement from my side -- [[User:Foorschtbar|Foorschtbar]] ([[User talk:Foorschtbar|talk]])<br />
* I was really happy to have power available until the very end on wednesday! Thanks for that! -- [[User:Cyb3rk41|Cyb3rk41]] ([[User talk:Cyb3rk41|talk]])<br />
** Agreed. Having power for as long as possible was great. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])<br />
* The priklichtjes (festoon lights on poles) were a very welcome addition by Team:Power. [[User:Moem|Moem]] ([[User talk:Moem|talk]])<br />
** They helped me greatly in navigating the terrain in the dark, indicating where the paths where between the villages. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])<br />
*** +1 very nice for indicating paths between tents and nature. -- [[User:j0chen|j0chen]] ([[User talk:j0chen|talk]])<br />
* Very impressed with the PowerTeam, kudos! And we learned an important lesson (the hard way) that long PVC cables lying in wet grass will suck up moisture and trip the 'aardlek' (RCD?). This could be written a lot better in the power wiki page so people can prepare better. Now the neoprene cables are only recommended as the better quality, but not that PVC has negative effects, like taking out two villages for a few hours. -- [[User:M10|M10]] ([[User talk:M10|talk]])<br />
:* In general, the cable should be rated for outdoor usage. PVC cables for outdoor use do exist (and are really nice to use because they're more flexible, especially when it's cold), so a simple list of materials doesn't work. (In case you're interested: harmonized cable types have the material encoded in the type, H05RR-F for example means H = harmonized, 05 = 300V, R = rubber inner insulation, R = rubber outer insulation, F = fine stranded. Neoprene is usually identified as RN, indoor PVC as VV, outdoor PVC as V3V3 (e.g. H05V3V3-F). Not sure if listing all outdoor capable material codes would work; just look for "rated for outdoor use"; the IP44 schuko plug with the ring is a good proxy/heuristic for that.) Oh, and by the way, neoprene can also suck up moisture over time! It's just usually slow enough :) --[[User:Juerd|Juerd]] ([[User talk:Juerd|talk]])<br />
* Basically everything worked, I could imagine that a distribution of the generators across the camp is perhaps better. At the CCCamp 2019, each larger area had its own generator, so iirc there was never a full blackout. Important systems then simply get two generators (redundancy!). -- [[User:j0chen|j0chen]] ([[User talk:j0chen|talk]])<br />
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=== Off-Site Logistics ===<br />
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* Off-site logistics was a mess, during buildup the schedule was changed drastically without communication about it, we ended up waiting 9 hours for a truck that was smaller than promised requiring a second trip. Teardown I drove the van myself. [[User:SA007|SA007]] ([[User talk:SA007|talk]])<br />
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=== On-Site Logistics ===<br />
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* Gators are too loud, you can't hear each other inside a tent if they drive by. [[User:SA007|SA007]] ([[User talk:SA007|talk]])<br />
** IIRC electric vehicles were unavaible from the local rental companies, unfortunately [[User:Flimpie|Flimpie]] ([[User talk:Flimpie|talk]]) 22:38, 1 August 2022 (CEST)<br />
** +1 The gators were also so loud that you could barely understand/use the radio when you were sitting in it -- [[User:j0chen|j0chen]] ([[User talk:j0chen|talk]])<br />
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=== Other music/noise (outside the official party area) ===<br />
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* Please NEVER allow Holoplot to be on the field ever again. And if that is impossible to prevent, at least NOT do a late night party with that system. The volume OUTSIDE the tent was horrifying. -- [[User:Sebastius|Sebastius]] ([[User talk:Sebastius|talk]])<br />
* Bit torn on this one. It is a party event, but there was way too much loud music post 2 AM. Some of us do need sleep. I know, weak etc. I don't recall seeing a clear policy on what is acceptable, might be behind people feeling ok cranking up the volume after midnight. -- [[User:Ahu|Ahu]] ([[User talk:Ahu|talk]])<br />
* The Retro Arcade area was an absolute nuisance at night. They were blasting the neighbouring villages with shitty music and drunken yelling until 2 or 3 am pretty much every day. I can think of several words for this kind of behaviour, and none of them rhyme with "excellent". [[User:Alxndr|Alxndr]] ([[User talk:Alxndr|talk]])<br />
** +1 They also played the same 7 shitty songs each night. Seemed like most of the participants were corporates (BlueHatHacker, etc.). The whole thing felt pretty unfit for MCH. -- [[User:JT|JT]] ([[User talk:JT|talk]])<br />
* It seems like while the official policy was 'no noise after 1AM', it wasn't actively enforced for most cases - and I think that enabled people to also treat it a bit more like a hint rather than a rule? Perhaps for future events we should have numerical 'loudness' scores for all fields, forming a gradient, with a higher score letting people be louder and party later, and actually enforce that. That way loud people can camp in loud villages, while those who need peace and quiet can camp in quiet villages. -- [[User:Q3k|Q3k]] ([[User talk:Q3k|talk]])<br />
** I think this was sort-of implemented based on village input, but the usual event fields are just a bit too small for that to work reliably -- [[User:SK|SK]] ([[User talk:SK|talk]])<br />
* This was both badly communicated (FAQ said "until midnight", apparently the actual rule was from 1 am?) and not usefully enforced. Arcade area right next to family village especially apparently could do whatever they wanted. This makes awesome ideas like silent disco for the "official" music stage sadly quite moot. -- [[User:SK|SK]] ([[User talk:SK|talk]])<br />
* second-hand, but if security (i.e. the contact listed for noise complaints on the front page of this wiki!) really responded to calls about this with "don't call us unless there's an actual emergency" some rules seriously need to be re-established -- [[User:SK|SK]] ([[User talk:SK|talk]])<br />
* at the same time small villages further into the "louder sector" (i.e. away from family/silent camping) were told off for having any music on low volume -- [[User:SK|SK]] ([[User talk:SK|talk]])<br />
* Our village was placed in a party area. That was unfortunate. Next time I'll camp in a quiet are even if that means being far away from the village I am interested in. Geraffel adhered to the 1am quiet policy (yay!) but others didn't. They went on till after 4.30 and didn't honor complaints. -- [[User:Mosquito|Mosquito]] ([[User talk:Mosquito|talk]])<br />
* I was sad there was no place to party and dance after 2am. I agree people who want quiet should be able to enjoy quiet, but in a perfect camp there would be room for both. -- [[User:HerraBRE|HerraBRE]]<br />
* The distribution of the Villages and party zones was perhaps not quite ideal, felt the Family Zone (which had asked for quiet) was in the middle of the Party Zone (based on the noise / music) -- [[User:j0chen|j0chen]] ([[User talk:j0chen|talk]])<br />
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=== POC / Dect / Fieldphones ===<br />
* I couldn't find advance information as to when the phone / DECT network would be shut off on the wiki, having such information would be useful (but I may just have been looking in the wrong place) -- [[User:Pinoaffe|Pinoaffe]] ([[User talk:Pinoaffe|talk]])<br />
* DECT coverage was great around the whole camp area. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])<br />
** +1 Agreement from my side -- [[User:Foorschtbar|Foorschtbar]] ([[User talk:Foorschtbar|talk]])<br />
* DECT self-registration worked great (have been used to it for a while now from congress). -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])<br />
** +1 Agreement from my side -- [[User:Foorschtbar|Foorschtbar]] ([[User talk:Foorschtbar|talk]])<br />
* DECT was switched off too early. DECT is mandatory for teardown, especially as the gsm coverage is quite bad -- [[User:Sirgoofy|sirgoofy]]<br />
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=== Parcel deliveries ===<br />
* Many people that ordered things to the field were (seemingly) unaware of how parcel deliveries were supposed to work. This caused unnecessary overhead. -- [[User:Pinoaffe|Pinoaffe]] ([[User talk:Pinoaffe|talk]])<br />
* Collaborating with C3Post may be worthwhile for a next event, though they may not want to deal with large packages. -- [[User:Pinoaffe|Pinoaffe]] ([[User talk:Pinoaffe|talk]])<br />
** Delivering anything of real value sounds like a bad idea (on big events). Besides being way more effort than postcards, parcels (pending delivery) would require (secure-ish) storage space while not out for relivery or if the first delivery attempt failed. We'd also need extra couriers and not hand deliveries out to random passing-by hackers, which also leaks the info on the parcel (such as tracking numbers) to said random hackers. Also some postcards just got lost/didn't get delivered, which would be a real issue with parcels. -- [[User:Trilader|Trilader]] ([[User talk:Trilader|talk]])<br />
* Parcel deliveries had a procedure outlined at [[Parcel deliveries]] to keep them manageable, but somehow people still sent packages to the terrain without following the procedure, maybe something to add to the info booklet/advertise more?<br />
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=== Press / Media coverage ===<br />
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* Put your feedback here :)<br />
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=== Productiehuis / C3VOC ===<br />
* MOST EXCELLENT WORK!! -- [[User:Ahu|Ahu]] ([[User talk:Ahu|talk]])<br />
* The video-quality of the (few) talks I watched online was good, and I saw some nice fade effects. [[User:Fhp|Fhp]] ([[User talk:Fhp|talk]])<br />
* The hard cutoff of the intro tune annoys me every time. [[User:Fhp|Fhp]] ([[User talk:Fhp|talk]])<br />
* Kudos to the C3VOC! That was awesome! Video quality was excellent and the fact that each talk appeared in the C3 media archive only a couple of hours later impressed me very much. That is better service than many (or most?) commercial providers deliver. You people are fantastic! -- [[User:Mosquito|Mosquito]] ([[User talk:Mosquito|talk]])<br />
* Nothing short of amazing -- [[User:Raboof|Raboof]] ([[User talk:Raboof|talk]])<br />
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=== Projectleiding ===<br />
* Thank you for your work. -- [[User:Justelex|Justelex]] ([[User talk:Justelex|talk]])<br />
** +1 Agreement from my side -- [[User:Foorschtbar|Foorschtbar]] ([[User talk:Foorschtbar|talk]])<br />
** ++ -- [[User:M10|M10]] ([[User talk:M10|talk]])<br />
* <3 -- [[User:Raboof|Raboof]] ([[User talk:Raboof|talk]])<br />
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=== ROC ===<br />
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* Wheeze and his team did a excellent job! <br />
* Good work by the warehouse team for doing the battery swaps, saved a lot of time! [[User:MrLinux|MrLinux]]<br />
* Nice we had the HAM radio repeater! [[User:MrLinux|MrLinux]]<br />
* The ROC team lacked a bit on publicity, improvement for 2025! [[User:MrLinux|MrLinux]]<br />
* A QSL-wall could be an idea for 2025! [[User:MrLinux|MrLinux]]<br />
* We missed the VERON at the event [[User:MrLinux|MrLinux]]<br />
* Excellent Job. A Laminated card with "Radio rules" and the Channel distribution would be a nice thing to be handed out next time. -- [[User:Justelex|Justelex]] ([[User talk:Justelex|talk]])<br />
** Would definitely be good, just like enforcing the language on the radio, e.g. in a channel that was supposed to be explicitly in English, Dutch was often spoken anyway -- [[User:j0chen|j0chen]] ([[User talk:j0chen|talk]])<br />
* Next time after the DECT comes up, require as many radios as you can to be returned, forcing teams to use dect. Way better audio, point to point connections and people actually being reachable. -- [[User:Sebastius|Sebastius]] ([[User talk:Sebastius|talk]])<br />
* The audio quality sucked. Problem with the chosen technology, i know. Most conversations were completely unintelligible. -- [[User:Sebastius|Sebastius]] ([[User talk:Sebastius|talk]])<br />
* Teach people how to use the radio properly. I still don't know which name goes first etc. -- [[User:Sebastius|Sebastius]] ([[User talk:Sebastius|talk]])<br />
* Reconsider channel system. It happened too often that people were calling/listening on the wrong channel. [[User:Flimpie|Flimpie]] ([[User talk:Flimpie|talk]]) 22:38, 1 August 2022 (CEST)<br />
* Educate people on radio etiquette and how to properly talk into a radio. Yelling/speaking too quietly/having too much BG noise, combined with DMR compression creates inaudible speech [[User:Flimpie|Flimpie]] ([[User talk:Flimpie|talk]]) 22:38, 1 August 2022 (CEST)<br />
* Ensuring that the correct language is spoken. I heard a lot of Dutch during some security angelshifts, even though the channel was supposed to be in English. -- [[User:j0chen|j0chen]] ([[User talk:j0chen|talk]])<br />
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=== Safety / stewards / first aid / Fire Marshalls ===<br />
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* Phone numbers or other contact information was hard to find at the beginning of the event, added to the wiki later. --[[User:Juerd|Juerd]] ([[User talk:Juerd|talk]]) 20:47, 30 July 2022 (CEST)<br />
* There were no backup mobile phone numbers (at least none published) for reaching the safety teams in case of infrastructure outage, and they were unreachable when the network was down. --[[User:Juerd|Juerd]] ([[User talk:Juerd|talk]]) 20:47, 30 July 2022 (CEST)<br />
* Security: Bike path was open to all, so technically anyone could get on the terrain without a ticket. Which meant at least a few unwelcome visitors. - [[User:Noor|Noor]] ([[User talk:Noor|talk]])<br />
* I was surprised that the fire extinguishers were the first things being collected from our village (Geraffel) during teardown. At this time we still had a lot of people staying and as murphy wills, the fat bowl of our our barbecue catched fire afterwards. Fortunately nothing bad happened but my expectation would be to have extinguishers available until rented tents are torn down / all visitors are gone. At lease in large villages like ours. -- [[User:Cyb3rk41|Cyb3rk41]] ([[User talk:Cyb3rk41|talk]])<br />
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=== Shuttle services (train station, and luggage on site) ===<br />
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* Shuttle drop-off point on field should have been marked somewhere on the maps or wiki, during build-up. I spent forever asking around trying to find the drop-off point, only to find it at heaven. - [[User:Noor|Noor]] ([[User talk:Noor|talk]])<br />
* Shuttle was efficient and worked well when I used it -- [[User:SK|SK]] ([[User talk:SK|talk]])<br />
* Shuttle ticket was a bit last-minute and unclear (i.e. afaik never produced an actual "ticket", which lead to questions - and in the end was more like a donation than a strictly-required ticket) -- [[User:SK|SK]] ([[User talk:SK|talk]])<br />
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=== Supermarket ===<br />
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* The supermarket was a really valuable addition to the event, and probably saved lots of fuel and time for people. I found the prices acceptable, and the choice of products was surprisingly broad! --[[User:Juerd|Juerd]] ([[User talk:Juerd|talk]]) 20:47, 30 July 2022 (CEST)<br />
** +1 Agreement from my side -- [[User:Foorschtbar|Foorschtbar]] ([[User talk:Foorschtbar|talk]])<br />
* Supermarket was a great thing and I hope we'll have it at the next event. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])<br />
* Supermarket was wonderful, it felt like being back in civilization again and I could just zip inside to get a drink or breakfast for the next morning. - [[User:Noor|Noor]] ([[User talk:Noor|talk]])<br />
* was very useful to have and surprisingly well-stocked (i.e. not just packaged junk food). Next time they'll know to bring less soft-drinks and more Ethernet/USB/... cables ;) -- [[User:SK|SK]] ([[User talk:SK|talk]])<br />
* Guests from abroad struggled to make use of the supermarket, since it didn't accept foreign cards and there was no ATM on site. -- [[User:HerraBRE|HerraBRE]]<br />
* The supermarket was a really good idea, however my card was not accepted so I was very dependent on cash - Very limited without an ATM on camp. -- [[User:j0chen|j0chen]] ([[User talk:j0chen|talk]])<br />
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=== Sysadmin / bofh ===<br />
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* Having had to deal with the crumbling of central infrastructure in other events, I really appreciated the stability of the wiki and Engelsystem before and throughout the event. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])<br />
* Engelsystem and wiki could've used longer login sessions. Every time I tried to quickly check my angel shifts I had to login again. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])<br />
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=== Terrain ===<br />
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* The western way to quiet camping was not accessible: so narrow that you can only go one way at a time and a huge log being in the way.<br />
** I actually opened it up significantly with a trolley, it had 1,5m high weeds on it and was almost overgrown. [[User:SA007|SA007]] ([[User talk:SA007|talk]])<br />
* The quiet camping area (Wilson field) turned out to be quite crammed and could be bigger for the next event. I assume this was caused by the scouts taking some of that area due to the unfortunate double booking. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])<br />
* The quiet camping really missed a shower container, nearest was the family village, a 15 mins walk. (with sha2017 there was one) [[User:MrLinux|MrLinux]]<br />
* Not something really on us, I knew that the public bike path was to remain open. Most bikers were considerable in slowing down when crossing the Backbone at least, but some seemed to really adamant to enforce the negative stereotypes of people on road bikes. Create some speed bumps with cable ramps next time maybe? -- [[User:Dany|Dany]] ([[User talk:Dany|talk]])<br />
* It would have been good to (more strongly) encourage people with small children to camp in Family Zone and not Quiet Camping (Wilson field). It's unreasonable to expect small children to be quiet all the time, and yet this is what is expected on Wilson. Maybe we can make that clearer. [[User:Moem|Moem]] ([[User talk:Moem|talk]]) 13:49, 31 July 2022 (CEST)<br />
* really loved having the orga tents on the south trunk. For next time, maybe only have those teams on there that actually interact with visitors. -- [[User:Sebastius|Sebastius]] ([[User talk:Sebastius|talk]])<br />
* Next time maybe also place some villages on the south trunk road, the south trunk looked a bit 'dead' now with only orga tents. -- [[User:Sebastius|Sebastius]] ([[User talk:Sebastius|talk]])<br />
* The Zuse 'aux' path over the dike was weird and not signed properly, I walked it at night and actually looked at the map on my phone where the spot should be to get down off the dike. The path seemed to be 'walk up the dike', 'don't see any hint on where the path should be going...', 'look it up', 'walk ~150m to the left without any clue if it is the correct way' 'suddenly find a path down again'. [[User:SA007|SA007]] ([[User talk:SA007|talk]])<br />
* For me, it was the first hacker camp and i like the terrain with the ways, water, lakes, woods etc. much more than other camps, where all tens be a on a very large field -- [[User:Foorschtbar|Foorschtbar]] ([[User talk:Foorschtbar|talk]])<br />
** It was the same for me and I'm also a big fan of the terrain. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])<br />
* The online map was great - would be nice to 'level it up' for next time: searching on the map, better interlinking with the wiki, export to OsmAnd in a way that allows searching as well, mobile usability, etc -- [[User:Raboof|Raboof]] ([[User talk:Raboof|talk]])<br />
* Having the online map was great, but I wish to have something more optimized for mobile devices for the next event. Performance was poor (in mobile Firefox at least) and I totally missed the options menu for showing villages. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])<br />
* The online map was great, but I worked a lot with printed maps which were all outdated. I dont expect daily printouts, but during the teardown, the maps were still at the level of Day 0, where much has already been moved. Due to the missing Village function, the webmap was not an alternative for me.<br />
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=== Ticket and Entrance ===<br />
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* Just works! Thank u -- [[User:Foorschtbar|Foorschtbar]] ([[User talk:Foorschtbar|talk]])<br />
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=== Toilets / Showers ===<br />
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* The maintenance crew for the toilets/showers did a great job, IMHO, those facilities where usually in very good shape. [[User:Alxndr|Alxndr]] ([[User talk:Alxndr|talk]])<br />
** +1 Agreement from my side -- [[User:Foorschtbar|Foorschtbar]] ([[User talk:Foorschtbar|talk]])<br />
** +1 All facilities were great, better than anything I'm used to -- [[User:j0chen|j0chen]] ([[User talk:j0chen|talk]])<br />
** +1 -- [[User:Bronsen|Bronsen]] ([[User talk:Bronsen|talk]])<br />
* Easily the best showers of any hacker camp I've been to. -- [[User:Q3k|Q3k]] ([[User talk:Q3k|talk]])<br />
* There should have been showers closer to the quiet camping area. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])<br />
* This has been my first hacker camp and I don't know the "hacker camp standards" on showers but I know a lot of music festivals. Compared to this, I must say the showering experience was simply great! I always had warm water and never had to queue and this is something I NEVER experienced on any festival yet - I'm used to waiting and then having cold water only. -- [[User:Cyb3rk41|Cyb3rk41]] ([[User talk:Cyb3rk41|talk]])<br />
* Having urinals in all places where normal toilets were available would greatly have contributed to the cleanliness of the toilets, I suppose. -- [[User:Cyb3rk41|Cyb3rk41]] ([[User talk:Cyb3rk41|talk]])<br />
** +1 Agreement from my side -- [[User:Foorschtbar|Foorschtbar]] ([[User talk:Foorschtbar|talk]])<br />
* The showers and toilets were GREAT. Well done everyone involved! Random suggestion: it was warm enough that I would actually have welcomed a (cheaper and more eco-friendly?) cold shower option. -- [[User:HerraBRE|HerraBRE]]<br />
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=== Villages ===<br />
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* It is useful that villages are distributed over the field beforehand, but I think it would be reasonable to expect villages to 'lay their claim' physically on day 0 at the latest, and from day 1 onwards have any remaining empty space welcome unaffiliated hackers. Forcing unaffiliated hackers onto designated "free for all" areas seems like an antipattern to me. It might be better to have 'dots' on the map rather than 'areas' for distributing the villages, to promote more flexibility? Perhaps we can make pretty 'poles' to put into the ground saying "Village X will be around here, and is a small/medium/big village" for orientation? -- [[User:Raboof|Raboof]] ([[User talk:Raboof|talk]])<br />
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=== Village tent/furniture rental (Moebelhaus) ===<br />
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* Our tent ended up being rotated by pi/2 compared to the map. This ended up totally throwing off what we were planning. We managed regardless, but it'd be great if in the future these maps would actually reflect reality :). -- [[User:Q3k|Q3k]] ([[User talk:Q3k|talk]])<br />
* Our tent was leaking, especially on the connector between modules. -- [[User:Q3k|Q3k]] ([[User talk:Q3k|talk]])<br />
* Don't see a spot for team tents. The Deco tent had a steel bar all around the bottom, making it really annoying with carts and a trip hazard. [[User:SA007|SA007]] ([[User talk:SA007|talk]])<br />
* Great service, very useful, good stuff. It would be nice to have some way to see which furniture was still 'in flight' and which had already been delivered, to catch missing/misdelivered furniture earlier -- [[User:Raboof|Raboof]] ([[User talk:Raboof|talk]])<br />
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=== Visitors ===<br />
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* Most visitors were excellent, as always. But in the next few years when thinking of the next event, we should probably talk about people who I guess must be new to this community, that are incredibly lax with the photo/filming policy, and behave like consumers instead of participants. --[[User:Juerd|Juerd]] ([[User talk:Juerd|talk]]) 20:49, 30 July 2022 (CEST)<br />
** agreed, many post in social media contain lots of peoples faces. I doubt that everyone was asked for permission.<br />
* I suspect that there were quite a lot of 'visitors' that didn't have a ticket on site walking around besides the scouts. [[User:SA007|SA007]] ([[User talk:SA007|talk]])<br />
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=== Volunteering / Angels ===<br />
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* Providing the angels with reusable water bottles was a very good idea. [[User:Alxndr|Alxndr]] ([[User talk:Alxndr|talk]])<br />
** Agreed -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])<br />
** +1 - I did use it a lot more than I expected at first, which was probably quite healthy to do -- [[User:SK|SK]] ([[User talk:SK|talk]])<br />
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==== Volunteering ====<br />
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* Put your feedback here :)<br />
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==== Angel Food ====<br />
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* My only complaint about Mecklenb[öoøu]rg(er)? is that I still don't know how to spell their name. The food is wonderful, the people are great too! --[[User:Juerd|Juerd]] ([[User talk:Juerd|talk]]) 20:51, 30 July 2022 (CEST)<br />
** +1 Agreement from my side. The only thing i missed was more sorts of tea. i buyed one box of peppermint tea bags, and they where empty in 1h which means the people like it (more)!? -- [[User:Foorschtbar|Foorschtbar]] ([[User talk:Foorschtbar|talk]])<br />
* The food was great, as always :) -- [[User:Pinoaffe|Pinoaffe]] ([[User talk:Pinoaffe|talk]])<br />
* The angel food was incredible. One of the highlights of this event. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])<br />
* Angel food was mostly great, except for the dinner on day 0 and some dishes otherwise. I'd also have appreciated some sort of meat at least every other day. - [[User:Noor|Noor]] ([[User talk:Noor|talk]])<br />
* As always very good. Only complaint lack of coffee mugs -- [[User:SK|SK]] ([[User talk:SK|talk]])<br />
** Ha! I think i did order them, but for some reason we didn't get them. Will make a note for next time. -- [[User:Sebastius|Sebastius]] ([[User talk:Sebastius|talk]])<br />
* The Angel food was to die for (sorry, couldn't resist), big thanks to the Mecklenb[öoøu]rg(er) crew for that. Didn't miss a meat option at all. -- [[User:Dany|Dany]] ([[User talk:Dany|talk]])<br />
* I want a Mecklenbørger for my next birthday. It was just so relaxing to know that the kitchen was completely meat-free. [[User:Moem|Moem]] ([[User talk:Moem|talk]]) 13:52, 31 July 2022 (CEST)<br />
* Great food just like at SHA, and nice to have no worries about things containing meat :) -- [[User:F0x|F0x]] ([[User talk:F0x|talk]])<br />
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==== Angel Kitchen ====<br />
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* Dishwashing was a lot more manageable than at previous events, thanks to the fact that there as more equipment available. -- [[User:Pinoaffe|Pinoaffe]] ([[User talk:Pinoaffe|talk]])<br />
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==== Angel desk and Angel system ====<br />
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* I'd really like it if the Engelsystem alert emails contained the actual update in the email content. I'd get spammed with email notifications and if I wanted to actually read the update, I'd have to click through and login to the Engelsystem. I just ended up leaving most of those updates unread throughout the day. - [[User:Noor|Noor]] ([[User talk:Noor|talk]])<br />
* Would be nice if the angelsystem was more usable on mobile -- [[User:Raboof|Raboof]] ([[User talk:Raboof|talk]])<br />
* The login sessions could have been a bit longer, I was constantly kicked out when I just wanted to look up something. -- [[User:j0chen|j0chen]] ([[User talk:j0chen|talk]])<br />
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==== Heaven ====<br />
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* I assume this was just some miscommunication etc, but the outdoor seating was removed too early, esp given covid situation. Otherwise all good. -- [[User:SK|SK]] ([[User talk:SK|talk]])<br />
** Yeah, it happened when i wasn't looking. We should have moved some tables outside. -- [[User:Sebastius|Sebastius]] ([[User talk:Sebastius|talk]])<br />
* The rules for core-team people (which were doing shifts outside the angel-system) for the heaven food should be made more clear. [[User:MrLinux|MrLinux]]<br />
** That was actually really clear. Your teamlead might not have communicated it to you. Red wristband for 'full time work during event' and vouchers obtainable by teamleads for those doing work outside of the angel system. -- [[User:Sebastius|Sebastius]] ([[User talk:Sebastius|talk]])<br />
* I dearly wish we would have had the time to decorate Heaven. Unfortunately, the loss of time during buildup (*shakes fist at the weather gods*) made that impossible. The tent itself was splendid, so spacious. [[User:Moem|Moem]] ([[User talk:Moem|talk]]) 13:54, 31 July 2022 (CEST)<br />
** Ah well, we did a little by ourselves with the parasols, and it was fine! Next time! -- [[User:Sebastius|Sebastius]] ([[User talk:Sebastius|talk]])<br />
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=== Warehouse ===<br />
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* Warehouse did a really great job. And I requested some really strange things. They even got Powercables and a Compressor for repairing the Flamethrowers. -- [[User:Justelex|Justelex]] ([[User talk:Justelex|talk]])<br />
** +1 Agreement from my side -- [[User:Foorschtbar|Foorschtbar]] ([[User talk:Foorschtbar|talk]])<br />
* Warehouse should maybe stock more small stepladders, I feel they were regularly all in use. Otherwise great supplies. [[User:SA007|SA007]] ([[User talk:SA007|talk]])<br />
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=== Waste / garbage / trash ===<br />
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* Slightly sad that trash was just split into “glass” and “everything else”. It'd be nice if we could at least recycle cardboard/paper! -- [[User:Q3k|Q3k]] ([[User talk:Q3k|talk]])<br />
** Agreed. Throwing everything into the "Other Waste" containers felt wrong. I understand this was on the waste company dropping the ball. Let's make sure this won't happen at the next event. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])<br />
** +1 Agreement from my side -- [[User:Foorschtbar|Foorschtbar]] ([[User talk:Foorschtbar|talk]])<br />
** That was the supplier dropping the ball in almost every category. It was in the plan (i co-wrote it) -- [[User:Sebastius|Sebastius]] ([[User talk:Sebastius|talk]])<br />
* an awful lot of mate etc bottles ended up in glass trash I think - the later-deployed bottle collection crates helped with that -- [[User:SK|SK]] ([[User talk:SK|talk]])<br />
** Yeah that happened last time too. We did plan for drop points. Not sure why the points weren't deployed earlier by team Bar. -- [[User:Sebastius|Sebastius]] ([[User talk:Sebastius|talk]])</div>Bronsenhttps://wiki.mch2022.org/index.php?title=Feedback&diff=18121Feedback2022-08-03T16:34:29Z<p>Bronsen: /* Music/laser stage / silent disco / Symphony of Fire */ three items from bronsen</p>
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=== General / overall ===<br />
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* So happy about the progressive pride and Antifa flag on the tower<br />
* Awesome event again, thanks to everyone who did their part to making it such -- [[User:SK|SK]] ([[User talk:SK|talk]])<br />
* It was fantastic and I am already stoked for the next one! -- [[User:Mosquito|Mosquito]] ([[User talk:Mosquito|talk]])<br />
** +1 Agreement from my side -- [[User:Foorschtbar|Foorschtbar]] ([[User talk:Foorschtbar|talk]])<br />
* I had a great camp overall, it was way more comfortable than I'd expected and things seemed to run smoothly. Being greeted by progressive pride flag on the Orga tent and tower instantly made me feel at ease. -- [[User:Dany|Dany]] ([[User talk:Dany|talk]])<br />
* would be a really good idea to water the ways more often, to prevent the dust. -- [[User:Justelex|Justelex]] ([[User talk:Justelex|talk]])<br />
** I'd be afraid this would quickly turn into mud, and I prefer dust to mud -- [[User:Pinoaffe|Pinoaffe]] ([[User talk:Pinoaffe|talk]])<br />
* It seems that there was so much time spend on nice to haves and to little on must haves resulting in quite a few people beeing totally burned out, I really wonder if its worth it organizing it again next year at this size with this much "consumers" visiting and maybe just going back to a smaller size is nicer, the big presence of sponsors also did not help with this feeling. -- [[User:Erik|Erik]] ([[User talk:Erik|talk]])<br />
** I am not quite sure where you saw those "consumers", especially since that would be quite a high entry price for a consumer (no daytickets and all). As far as I know we didn't finish selling all tickets so it was smaller then expected even. Although I do understand that you are longing for a smaller sized event (there are definitely a couple of those out there), I dearly hope that this event will even grow, since it is quite nice to have more and new people being interested and learning more. Sponsors I am unsure about, since I do know they were a big help in financing the whole event. With the point of being to burned out, that might be a problem of scheduling and volunteering, since there were around ~400 volunteers for the whole event (officially).<br />
** Don't worry, next year is not a thing, we do this every four years (Corona volente). As for the size of the event, for me it's just about right as it was this year, but opinions can and will always differ. If you like a cosy, small event that happens next year, Bornhack might be your thing.[[User:Moem|Moem]] ([[User talk:Moem|talk]])<br />
* Still amazed by the amount of creativity and community, so many people sharing what they love and are good at -- [[User:Raboof|Raboof]] ([[User talk:Raboof|talk]])<br />
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=== Arrival / departure / parking / train shuttle / luggage shuttle ===<br />
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* I was surprised twice that empty places in the field were apparently claimed. It was not clear to me that people had staked out places already on the wiki. This would seem to me one of The Most Important Things To Tell People: "whatever is on the wiki wins". Or perhaps abolish that, also fine by me, but in any case be very clear about it. I could also do with an AR app or so that shows me what people claimed :-) -- [[User:Ahu|Ahu]] ([[User talk:Ahu|talk]])<br />
** Next time we should plan some areas for 'those without village', i heard they were planned for this time but they might have gotten lost with the last minute rearranging due to the double booking. -- [[User:Sebastius|Sebastius]] ([[User talk:Sebastius|talk]])<br />
** (moved my feedback here to [[Feedback#Villages]]) -- [[User:Raboof|Raboof]] ([[User talk:Raboof|talk]])<br />
* Last day of the event felt kinda "lost" as people were beginning to tear things down from early on in the day well before the closing event. Was bit of a weird mood/feeling. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])<br />
** +1 Agreement from my side -- [[User:Foorschtbar|Foorschtbar]] ([[User talk:Foorschtbar|talk]])<br />
** While it is pretty normal for many people to already pack their things on the last day, the problem was certainly exacerbated by the fact that a roundmail on day 4 told all villages that their rented tents had to be "cleaned and empty" no later than 17:30 on day 5. That really gave villages no choice but to tear everything down during daytime on day 5. [[User:PoempelFox|PoempelFox]] ([[User talk:PoempelFox|talk]])<br />
* The parking area was way better then at Sha. A Regular people shuttle on the field with one or two 4+ seater golfcarts would be awesome for pregnant / people that can't walk long distances and so on. (Maybe also on call would be enough) -- [[User:Justelex|Justelex]] ([[User talk:Justelex|talk]])<br />
* "Shuttle goes when it goes" without any indication how long it will take is no option for people who have to catch their train/flight. We had many questions and complaints at the infodesk. A schedule would be great. -- [[User:Sirgoofy|sirgoofy]]<br />
* The shuttle stop changed during the event. It would be great to have a dedicated shuttle stop (with sign and timetable) during the event.<br />
* The payment system for the shuttle was too complicated. We had many questions about buying tickets at the infodesk. People tried to buy tickets in the online shop, but had problems getting their order paid. It would be better to make it free, or allow to pay in cash in the shuttle.<br />
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=== Badge ===<br />
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* Very well-made and polished badge, really surprised me with the effort put into it and its versatility! [[User:Vurpo|Vurpo]] ([[User talk:Vurpo|talk]]) 21:07, 30 July 2022 (CEST) <br />
** +1 Agreement from my side -- [[User:Foorschtbar|Foorschtbar]] ([[User talk:Foorschtbar|talk]])<br />
* The badge is really nice, but the price of MCH admission is already hindering people we'd like to reach. Perhaps do consider if we really need it. -- [[User:Ahu|Ahu]] ([[User talk:Ahu|talk]])<br />
* Awesome badge, I had a lot of fun tinkering with it during camp and always received helpful advice in the IRC channel. Please keep this project going! [[User:Alxndr|Alxndr]] ([[User talk:Alxndr|talk]])<br />
* The badge is amazing! However, I feel bad that my badges from previous events barely got used and this one is likely to suffer the same fate. For environmental/cost reasons, I kinda wish I could have opted out. Alternately, if there were a way to hand my badge in after the event and know it would be used for educational purposes later on, I would have given it up a heartbeat. -- [[User:HerraBRE|HerraBRE]]<br />
* Really love the badge, it inspired me to try micropython for the first time. Also I find it to be a piece of art, the PCB design is just great. On the other side, I'm also sceptical on the ecological aspects. I fear that many hackers will not use it anymore after the event or even never use it at all. Maybe it would be a good idea to offer badges as an option instead of giving everyone a piece. -- [[User:Cyb3rk41|Cyb3rk41]] ([[User talk:Cyb3rk41|talk]])<br />
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=== Bars and food court ===<br />
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* The capacity of the food-stands was quite low, which resulted in long waiting times. Not good with hungry kids. [[User:Fhp|Fhp]] ([[User talk:Fhp|talk]])<br />
* Agree with above: low capacity for the commercial food stands. They also didn't seem to grasp the concept of 'lunch'. I expected them to be up and running around 13.00, but most of them weren't, resulting in even longer lines at the places that were open earlier. -- [[User:Dany|Dany]] ([[User talk:Dany|talk]])<br />
* The food stands I've visited (Wok, Fries) had poor in-person advertising of everything that they were actually selling and how much it cost. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])<br />
** Agreed. Menu and pricing was often hard to read -- [[User:j0chen|j0chen]] ([[User talk:j0chen|talk]])<br />
* The Johny Cash Burger was great but mostly I fed on waffles by the awesome C3WOC <3. And of course one can rely on the Italian Hackers' Embassy for excellent pasta and Italian Grappa. By the way... is there a Spanish or French Embassy with similar services? Would put that on my checklist for the next camp. ;-) Oh and Angel Food was also great and healthy. Didn't miss meat there, eating more veg is better for the environment anyways. Thanks for the opportunity! Conclusion: Wide range, many choices, very good! -- [[User:Mosquito|Mosquito]] ([[User talk:Mosquito|talk]])<br />
* Frietsaus is not Mayo. [[User:MrLinux|MrLinux]]<br />
* The split layout of the bar/food area didn't really work. You couldn't see all in one go, so most people only visited one bar making a huge queue there. -- [[User:Sebastius|Sebastius]] ([[User talk:Sebastius|talk]])<br />
* Coffee vendor people had no idea what they were doing. Literally not knowing what a Latte Machiatto is while it's on their menu. -- [[User:Sebastius|Sebastius]] ([[User talk:Sebastius|talk]])<br />
* Next time get food vendors from several companies instead of using one single source. Yes it's more work to set up but this time the overall quality was not great (but acceptable). -- [[User:Sebastius|Sebastius]] ([[User talk:Sebastius|talk]])<br />
* Next time also get some vendors who do varied meals (every day a different choice, like the vegan place at CCCamp2019) at competitive pricing. -- [[User:Sebastius|Sebastius]] ([[User talk:Sebastius|talk]])<br />
** +1 I think some vendors (pizza) had very little choice, which has not changed. -- [[User:j0chen|j0chen]] ([[User talk:j0chen|talk]])<br />
* Next time allow Mecklenborger to also have a food-truck for the general public on camp. -- [[User:Sebastius|Sebastius]] ([[User talk:Sebastius|talk]]) +1<br />
* Overall nice. Might be good to promote villages that have good capacity for selling food as well somehow, to make it more 'integrated'? -- [[User:Raboof|Raboof]] ([[User talk:Raboof|talk]])<br />
** especially the C3WOC with their delicious waffles -- [[User:j0chen|j0chen]] ([[User talk:j0chen|talk]])<br />
* Unfortunately the bars were out of the larger plastic glasses very soon. -- [[User:Kokx|Kokx]] ([[User talk:Kokx|talk]])<br />
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=== Buildup and teardown ===<br />
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* As one of the persons who collected what felt like a kilometre of Flatterband at teardown, and removed a pile of pegs it was attached to, I would like to thank those buildup angels who didn't sink the pegs below ground level. You made my job a lot easier! :) [[User:Alxndr|Alxndr]] ([[User talk:Alxndr|talk]])<br />
** +1 Agreement from my side -- [[User:Foorschtbar|Foorschtbar]] ([[User talk:Foorschtbar|talk]])<br />
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=== COVID19 precautions ===<br />
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* Thanks for caring about ventilation. [https://grafana.mch2022.org/d/q9gZutJ7z/mch2022?orgId=1&viewPanel=30&from=1658492800367&to=1658853839068 CO2 meters] and open sides weren't in place during the opening talk, but this was fixed quickly after and I heard the security team kept an eye on the graphs. --[[User:Juerd|Juerd]] ([[User talk:Juerd|talk]]) 20:43, 30 July 2022 (CEST)<br />
* I liked the availability of masks and self tests for those who forgot to bring their own. I've heard about a few dozen people who got infected, but there were probably more. Thanks to the rapid tests and the heroes who chose to isolate, we may have averted a disastrous superspreading event. --[[User:Juerd|Juerd]] ([[User talk:Juerd|talk]]) 22:02, 30 July 2022 (CEST)<br />
** +1 Agreement from my side -- [[User:Foorschtbar|Foorschtbar]] ([[User talk:Foorschtbar|talk]])<br />
** Very much appreciated the easy availability of masks and rapid tests. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])<br />
* It would have been good to switch from recommended to required mask wearing, at least indoors, once it became clear that "personal responsibility" wasn't working out (even in this community, what a disappointment). [[User:Alxndr|Alxndr]] ([[User talk:Alxndr|talk]])<br />
** Agreeing on all points. Was also a bit disappointed. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])<br />
** Its quite hard to do that in a country where this is not a rule anymore.<br />
* It was good to request/require mask wearing in the food queue in Heaven. It would have been even better to do it from the very beginning. [[User:Moem|Moem]] ([[User talk:Moem|talk]]) 09:20, 31 July 2022 (CEST)<br />
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=== Cohesion ===<br />
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=== Content / talks / heralds / speakerdesk / AV / recordings ===<br />
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* In the end it worked pretty well, but perhaps do ponder having some "known good" presenter laptops/devices available. This has worked very well for other conferences. I used a 200 euro Chromebook with a throwaway google account. -- [[User:Ahu|Ahu]] ([[User talk:Ahu|talk]])<br />
* This is a matter of taste - if you light up the speakers real well, the audience can enjoy a well lighted speaker. But the speaker then often can't see the audience. And during my talks, I love to actually see the audience. This was better in 2017 (at least in Abacus and Battery). -- [[User:Ahu|Ahu]] ([[User talk:Ahu|talk]])<br />
* The speaker desk and the room to work is absolutely ACE. -- [[User:Ahu|Ahu]] ([[User talk:Ahu|talk]])<br />
* Very friendly and helpful people at the speakerdesk and also Heralds and other Angels. Dry running my laptop with the monitor at the Speaker Desk before the talk made me much calmer once I knew that worked. Thank you! -- [[User:Mosquito|Mosquito]] ([[User talk:Mosquito|talk]])<br />
* had the opposite experience: crablab forgot giving me a speaker badge and was not very hospitable "i'd prefer if you bought your mate at the bar" the single time I asked for one in order to work on my slides -- [[User:Fraxinas|Fraxinas]] ([[User talk:Fraxinas|talk]])<br />
* Generally felt welcome as a speaker, thanks! I didn't end up using the speaker area as it felt a bit like a 'fish tank' being so exposed to the main road (but that might be a personal hang-up ;) ) -- [[User:Raboof|Raboof]] ([[User talk:Raboof|talk]])<br />
* It would have been nice to have a more 'integrated' programme containing both the 'curated' content and the 'self-organized' sessions. It was nice that some self-organized sessions were added to https://program.mch2022.org but it'd be even nicer to have that 'direct' somehow -- [[User:Raboof|Raboof]] ([[User talk:Raboof|talk]])<br />
* It would have been nice to have an officially-recommended app - Giggity worked great on Android, just promoting that more might have been a good start -- [[User:Raboof|Raboof]] ([[User talk:Raboof|talk]])<br />
* It would be nice to cross-link the schedule with the livestreams/recordings better -- [[User:Raboof|Raboof]] ([[User talk:Raboof|talk]])<br />
* Several of the workshop presenters said they would make their presentations available, but the majority is unfindable. I did understand a presentation can be added to the schedule, but it is hard to spot that this has actually been done. Maybe an independent index with such material can be made and material actively requested? -- [[User:M10|M10]] ([[User talk:M10|talk]])<br />
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=== CTF ===<br />
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* The CTF as a whole was excellent. Really interesting challenges on multiple categories and I still think this is the best CTF I have attended. Even the easy challenges had nice twists to them, no basic "'or 1=1;-- = flag" here. -- [[User:Onja|Onja]]<br />
* Both the competitors and the organizers I chatted with were very nice and passionate. Organizers gave good hints without giving too much away on couple of the challenges when we were stuck. -- [[User:Onja|Onja]]<br />
* There were plenty of beverages to keep us going, hard part was to remember to eat something once in a while. <br />
* Only complaint I have is about the ctf area: the outside tent was mostly more trouble than it was worth with wind trying to blow the whole tent away and the inside got crowded pretty fast. DT lounge area was nice but I'm not 1337 h4x0r enough to sit there 4 days in a row, my back will kill me. :D -- [[User:Onja|Onja]]<br />
* Looking forward to reading challenge writeups (I still want to hear the creators thoughts on Coinflip even though we eventually managed to solve it). Also I agree that Coinflip was one of the tougher challenges, should have been 200 pts (whine, whine). -- [[User:Onja|Onja]]<br />
* Summary: We will definitely be back next time! -- [[User:Onja|Onja]]<br />
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=== Decoration / design ===<br />
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* Well done all around -- [[User:SK|SK]] ([[User talk:SK|talk]]) 01:07, 31 July 2022 (CEST)<br />
* The design was so colorful and well thought out, it gave team Deco a lot to work with. Great job! [[User:Moem|Moem]] ([[User talk:Moem|talk]]) 09:22, 31 July 2022 (CEST) <br />
** +1 Agreement from my side -- [[User:Foorschtbar|Foorschtbar]] ([[User talk:Foorschtbar|talk]])<br />
* The deco was really cool, I especially liked the UV-reactive strings that gave the illusion of lasers and the super cute felt plants in the Silent Lounge. -- [[User:Dany|Dany]] ([[User talk:Dany|talk]])<br />
* Both design and deco were amazing! Also great that it was available beforehand, including the 'generator', so villages etc could use it in their preparations as well -- [[User:Raboof|Raboof]] ([[User talk:Raboof|talk]])<br />
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=== Family / kids ===<br />
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* Great vibe at the zone \o/<br />
* Maybe one or two hot water faucets would be useful (for baby care, for dishwashing, etc)<br />
* Sponsors like to party, maybe keep that in mind when planning in the noise gradient<br />
* As someone without kids I love that people feel welcome to bring theirs, and the atmosphere that comes with that. Accidentally ran into the "balloon folding (for adults)" workshop which was hilarious. Great fun. -- [[User:Raboof|Raboof]] ([[User talk:Raboof|talk]])<br />
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=== Finance / coins / payments ===<br />
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* Payment by card worked mostly well, other than the supermarket not accepting international cards. My main issue was that the payment system was not well enough explained before the actual event! The blog post and wiki page were pretty long and still left me confused about what the actual payment system on the field was going to end up being. Even a simple "TL;DR we will use regular international payment cards with chip/contactless" would have helped me. [[User:Vurpo|Vurpo]] ([[User talk:Vurpo|talk]]) 21:04, 30 July 2022 (CEST)<br />
* I asked at several bars and the food court where I could get the prepaid card for the MCH payment system, but nobody knew, so I ended up using my regular payment card. [[User:Alxndr|Alxndr]] ([[User talk:Alxndr|talk]]<br />
** The MCH payment system only was operational from day 1 (with paper QR codes) and the ability to print them on plastic cards was added later - [[User:Noor|Noor]]<br />
** yeah communication could have been better, the main problem was that most of it was arranged by one single person (never a good idea). Next time we need to find more people who work on the financial/tickets stuff. <br />
* I liked the idea of the cashless QR-code, especially the later upgrade to a "hard card" rather than just a stub of thermal paper. Avoids using the big payment providers and frees one of having to carry around cash. However I would've loved seeing more universal acceptance around the event (for example at the supermarket). -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])<br />
** +1 Agreement from my side. I missed also the acceptance at the Merch stand -- [[User:Foorschtbar|Foorschtbar]] ([[User talk:Foorschtbar|talk]])<br />
* As a foreigner visiting, I was VERY happy that I could use my card to tap and pay almost everywhere. Get the supermarket on board next time and you get a perfect score from me! The QR code system also worked quite well (I took payment at the bar a few times). I was impressed, well done. - [[User:HerraBRE|HerraBRE]]<br />
* Payment with payment cards in combination with PIN code failed. (only contactless worked, until the 50 euro weekly limit was reached.) [[User:MrLinux|MrLinux]]<br />
* The payment system is too complex and impractical for such an event. At the infodesk there were many questions and complaints on the payment system. People were confused about whether their bank card is accepted or wanted to buy QR-codes with their cards. There were many complaints about the complexity of the payment system. Normally, payment on such events is straightforward (give some money, get a drink). I guess this complicated system also restrained people from buying drinks (just a gut feeling from the number of bottles collected on the field by Team BOC). There were also many people complaining that they could not get unused money from the QR codes (because they had to leave early or came too late). -- [[User:Sirgoofy|sirgoofy]]<br />
* The payment system encouraged people not to bring cash, with is a huge issue for villages -- [[User:Sirgoofy|sirgoofy]]<br />
** Many villages rely on donations to cover costs, e.g., for food or parts for workshops, like the Italian Embassy, Millyways, Team Badge, c3woc (waffles), Chaos Post. Donations in cash are straightforward and understandable. Handling cashless donations is complicated (especially for people donating), expensive (i.e., fees), and requires bank accounts (which many villages don't have as they're just a bunch of people and no legal instance).<br />
** Cashless donations would be handy, though. Many international visitors don't have cash.<br />
** It would be great if people could donate using the QR code system (and buy QR codes cashless) -- [[User:Sirgoofy|sirgoofy]]<br />
* The MCH Payment system was a great benefit. Also that a plastic card could be created that was clearly more robust than the QR code on thermal paper.... Unfortunately, the machine took a long time to accept a bill. In addition, it would be nice to be able to recharge cards so that you can get through the camp with a printed card without directly charging one huge amount. -- [[User:j0chen|j0chen]] ([[User talk:j0chen|talk]])<br />
* An ATM would be great next time. My card was declined most of the time, so I reliant on my cash (and an ATM outside of camp) -- [[User:j0chen|j0chen]] ([[User talk:j0chen|talk]])<br />
** Or a possibility to get some cash at a desk or so? Cash needed to be handled anyway for the QR codes -- [[User:Sirgoofy|sirgoofy]]<br />
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=== Harbour / Ferry ===<br />
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* Loved the ferry service not as much as a shuttle to the other side of the water way, but as a way to enjoy some quiet time and a light breeze to (mentally) recharge away from the event. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])<br />
* The Ferry Service was great, and especially the operating hours where great. -- [[User:Justelex|Justelex]] ([[User talk:Justelex|talk]]) +1<br />
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=== Information / infodesk / wiki ===<br />
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* The infodesk should've been open for longer/as long as possible. (background: I've sat on the NOC helpdesk a bunch of times after the last infodesk angles were gone and dealt with quite a few people that were originally looking for the helpdesk; also being able to respond to infodesk calls for longer). -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])<br />
* Would be nice if the wiki was more usable on mobile -- [[User:Raboof|Raboof]] ([[User talk:Raboof|talk]])<br />
* The infodesk should be open earlier, at least starting day 0. It was unfortunate that the furniture was late (w/o desk no infodesk) -- [[User:Sirgoofy|sirgoofy]]<br />
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=== Lounges ===<br />
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* Silent lounge was very well done. Nicely decorated and people behaving very considerate (i.e. really tried to be silent). No wonder that it was popular to the point where it could've used more pillows. I was worried that people would start camping inside the lounge (similar things happen at congress for example), but that didn't turn out to be true. I've seen plenty of people taking a nap away from the noise of the event, but thankfully nobody started living inside the lounge. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])<br />
* Besides the silent lounge, I wish there were more places for people, especially for those without a village, to relax in the shade near an Ethernet port and power outlet. In the harbour there was the wood table with tent roof and the bar with a couple of seats, but both away from power outlets. Otherwise, besides the couple of deckchairs, we mostly hard hard wooden benches near the food court without shade (and no power sockets). -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])<br />
** +1 agreed, a few dedicated shaded outdoor spots would've been nice -- [[User:SK|SK]] ([[User talk:SK|talk]])<br />
** +1 I was going to write the same. Seating on the western part of the food court was hardly used because there was no shadow. Everyone was cramped beneath the roof tent in front of the east bar. On previous events there were more public spaces with roofing, sofas, bean bags, power and network. Nice place with hammocks at the speaker desk but also now shadow. Roof tents would also provide shelter in case of rain (as experienced on previous camps).<br />
** +1 I'd enjoy that as well! Perhaps with some way to announce what you're working on to encourage spontaneous conversations? Not sure how that would work though -- [[User:Raboof|Raboof]] ([[User talk:Raboof|talk]])<br />
** +1 A few shady sitting areas for hackers without Village; with sockets and ethernet sockets would have been very pleasant especially in the sunny and warm weather. -- [[User:j0chen|j0chen]] ([[User talk:j0chen|talk]])<br />
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=== Merchandise ===<br />
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* The designs look great, I'm a fan of the asymmetry and the patterned sleeves. Not being able to go a size up or down from what you ordered online was kind of disappointing. Not a major issue for myself but I know of several people who were sad about this. The [[merch exchange]] is not a great solution, but better than nothing. --[[User:Juerd|Juerd]] ([[User talk:Juerd|talk]]) 20:54, 30 July 2022 (CEST)<br />
** That mostly was the result of not receiving as many units as we ordered, sadly. -- [[User:Sebastius|Sebastius]] ([[User talk:Sebastius|talk]])<br />
* Merch was great: Awesome design and high quality. Preodering saved me from having to stay in a (humongous) line in the heat. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])<br />
* I absolutely love the hexagonal patterns and diagrams, but the amount of purple/pink was enough to keep me from buying more than a hat (that, and sizes being too big for me). - [[User:Noor|Noor]] ([[User talk:Noor|talk]])<br />
* Nice merch, despite at first not being a fan of the design. Option to preorder is great. -- [[User:SK|SK]] ([[User talk:SK|talk]])<br />
* OK so maybe I'm a dinosaur, but if I'd known that "fitted" was inclusive for "ladies", I wouldn't have ordered a way-too-small T-shirt. Not a complaint really, but maybe that could have been explained better? Help us old farts get with the program! :-D<br />
** 'Fitted' does not mean 'ladies', it means snug and cut to cling to the body, not baggy and loose. I know plenty of gentlemen who prefer that style. [[User:Moem|Moem]] ([[User talk:Moem|talk]])<br />
* Love the zipper design and quality, will be one of my favourite pieces from now on :) Preorder and pickup was easy and a great option to avoid long queues at the merch booth. -- [[User:Cyb3rk41|Cyb3rk41]] ([[User talk:Cyb3rk41|talk]])<br />
* I love how the shirts and hoodies look, but I'm worried about how well they will hold up when being washed. The rainbow looks like it will fall off just like the yellow SHA robot did. You hardly see the SHA shirts being worn anymore... but OHM and even HAR shirts, yes. [[User:Moem|Moem]] ([[User talk:Moem|talk]])<br />
** +1 love the looks but concerned about the large areas (beam/rainbow) as well - those already seemed to have faded a bit from being folded up in a damp tent... -- [[User:Raboof|Raboof]] ([[User talk:Raboof|talk]])<br />
* Loved that there were angel shirts in a different color than black again ;) -- [[User:Raboof|Raboof]] ([[User talk:Raboof|talk]])<br />
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=== Miscellaneous ===<br />
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* Swan family was pretty relaxed with all the people and activity, camping out in the middle of the terrain. - [[User:Noor|Noor]] ([[User talk:Noor|talk]]<br />
* It would be nice to have some angel-staffed dishwashing station (with manual rinse and commercial dishwashers) somewhere, to help with saving water and time, and to increase general hygiene (we all know how camp dish cleanliness standards go...) -- [[User:Q3k|Q3k]] ([[User talk:Q3k|talk]])<br />
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=== Music/laser stage / silent disco / Symphony of Fire ===<br />
* The music/laser stage was not a great fit for the event. It drained the villages and talk tents, making those less interesting. Also the whole separate 'party area' does not work for me. I would not miss it if we didn't have one next time. -- [[User:Sebastius|Sebastius]] ([[User talk:Sebastius|talk]])<br />
* No clue why we had a music stage, but if we for some reason must have one, why not have hacker-music on it (e.g. robotic instruments, chiptunes, etc), it was mostly filled with mediocre covers of songs unrelated to the event entirely. [[User:SA007|SA007]] ([[User talk:SA007|talk]])<br />
* Party area was WAY too spacious for the amount of people using it. -- [[User:Sebastius|Sebastius]] ([[User talk:Sebastius|talk]])<br />
* Loved the silent disco setup though. Also really loved it being used at night to allow the byte battle thingie to take place. -- [[User:Sebastius|Sebastius]] ([[User talk:Sebastius|talk]])<br />
* Having hacker built flame throwers which normally look awesome mounted on a commercial stage actually takes away the home-built hacker vibe of those flame throwers. -- [[User:Sebastius|Sebastius]] ([[User talk:Sebastius|talk]])<br />
* Music stage with the flamethrowers, and Symphony of Fire were awesome. - [[User:Noor|Noor]] ([[User talk:Noor|talk]])<br />
* Very well done. Silent disco was a neat solution to the inherent noise conflicts. What exactly is going on could have been a bit more detailed in the schedule, some people were sad they missed interesting things because they didn't realize who was playing. -- [[User:SK|SK]] ([[User talk:SK|talk]])<br />
* For me, the music stage did not really add anything that I would miss if it dit not happen again on a next event. Symphony of Fire was indeed awesome, I wonder if they could have played on a raised podium so more people could have seen what was happening. [[User:Moem|Moem]] ([[User talk:Moem|talk]]) 09:27, 31 July 2022 (CEST)<br />
** +1 -- [[User:Fraxinas|Fraxinas]] ([[User talk:Fraxinas|talk]])<br />
** +1 Agreement from my side -- [[User:Foorschtbar|Foorschtbar]] ([[User talk:Foorschtbar|talk]])<br />
** +1 Symphony of Fire was *the* main act at the stages, a raised podium or bigscreen would have been great that more people can see something. Especially the crowding is perhaps a bit critical with regard to the COVID measures. -- [[User:j0chen|j0chen]] ([[User talk:j0chen|talk]])<br />
* Silent disco was so much fun! More, later, longer please! Seems like a great solution for us party animals who don't want calm after 2am. - [[User:HerraBRE|HerraBRE]]<br />
* Music stage was to loud, to horrible and went on for way to long it and nowhere on the terrain you did not hear it, making sleeping almost impossible for people who actually need proper sleep (yes quiet camping was also to loud). -- [[User:Erik|Erik]] ([[User talk:Erik|talk]])<br />
* Silent disco was a great idea. But for the next time, I'd appreciate it if it wasn't just announced in advance, but if there was also information about the technology, e.g. where/if I can get suitable headphones myself or on which frequencies it runs, so that I can build a receiver myself. As far as I have heard, it was probably possible to receive the radio on the entire camp? -- [[User:j0chen|j0chen]] ([[User talk:j0chen|talk]])<br />
* three points<br />
# The main stage did not have good sound, despite the the row of massive loudspeakers in front. <br />
# Flames were fantastic.<br />
# Big screen was good. -- [[User:Bronsen|Bronsen]] ([[User talk:Bronsen|talk]])<br />
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=== NOC / Network ===<br />
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* My SFP+ module got to stay in a datenklo. A++++ would camp again. -- [[User:Q3k|Q3k]] ([[User talk:Q3k|talk]])<br />
* Datenklos were sorely missing some CYBER(tm) reflective foil wrapping -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])<br />
** There was a plan for nice aluminium foil/plated cardboard skins with the field name and other decorations on it, but the weather during buildup threw a spanner into that idea... [[User:SA007|SA007]] ([[User talk:SA007|talk]])<br />
** +1 Agreement from my side -- [[User:Foorschtbar|Foorschtbar]] ([[User talk:Foorschtbar|talk]])<br />
* Some system for releasing cables from the datenklo switches at teardown would help. I couldn't recover my uplink cable and then later realised I left without it. Maybe give a key to a nearby village person that would release cables that have no more active link on a regular basis? -- [[User:M10|M10]] ([[User talk:M10|talk]])<br />
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=== Power ===<br />
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* Thank you very much for not cutting power off after the closing event as at SHA. -- [[User:Malaclypse|Malaclypse]] ([[User talk:Malaclypse|talk]])<br />
** +1 Agreement from my side -- [[User:Foorschtbar|Foorschtbar]] ([[User talk:Foorschtbar|talk]])<br />
* I was really happy to have power available until the very end on wednesday! Thanks for that! -- [[User:Cyb3rk41|Cyb3rk41]] ([[User talk:Cyb3rk41|talk]])<br />
** Agreed. Having power for as long as possible was great. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])<br />
* The priklichtjes (festoon lights on poles) were a very welcome addition by Team:Power. [[User:Moem|Moem]] ([[User talk:Moem|talk]])<br />
** They helped me greatly in navigating the terrain in the dark, indicating where the paths where between the villages. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])<br />
*** +1 very nice for indicating paths between tents and nature. -- [[User:j0chen|j0chen]] ([[User talk:j0chen|talk]])<br />
* Very impressed with the PowerTeam, kudos! And we learned an important lesson (the hard way) that long PVC cables lying in wet grass will suck up moisture and trip the 'aardlek' (RCD?). This could be written a lot better in the power wiki page so people can prepare better. Now the neoprene cables are only recommended as the better quality, but not that PVC has negative effects, like taking out two villages for a few hours. -- [[User:M10|M10]] ([[User talk:M10|talk]])<br />
:* In general, the cable should be rated for outdoor usage. PVC cables for outdoor use do exist (and are really nice to use because they're more flexible, especially when it's cold), so a simple list of materials doesn't work. (In case you're interested: harmonized cable types have the material encoded in the type, H05RR-F for example means H = harmonized, 05 = 300V, R = rubber inner insulation, R = rubber outer insulation, F = fine stranded. Neoprene is usually identified as RN, indoor PVC as VV, outdoor PVC as V3V3 (e.g. H05V3V3-F). Not sure if listing all outdoor capable material codes would work; just look for "rated for outdoor use"; the IP44 schuko plug with the ring is a good proxy/heuristic for that.) Oh, and by the way, neoprene can also suck up moisture over time! It's just usually slow enough :) --[[User:Juerd|Juerd]] ([[User talk:Juerd|talk]])<br />
* Basically everything worked, I could imagine that a distribution of the generators across the camp is perhaps better. At the CCCamp 2019, each larger area had its own generator, so iirc there was never a full blackout. Important systems then simply get two generators (redundancy!). -- [[User:j0chen|j0chen]] ([[User talk:j0chen|talk]])<br />
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=== Off-Site Logistics ===<br />
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* Off-site logistics was a mess, during buildup the schedule was changed drastically without communication about it, we ended up waiting 9 hours for a truck that was smaller than promised requiring a second trip. Teardown I drove the van myself. [[User:SA007|SA007]] ([[User talk:SA007|talk]])<br />
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=== On-Site Logistics ===<br />
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* Gators are too loud, you can't hear each other inside a tent if they drive by. [[User:SA007|SA007]] ([[User talk:SA007|talk]])<br />
** IIRC electric vehicles were unavaible from the local rental companies, unfortunately [[User:Flimpie|Flimpie]] ([[User talk:Flimpie|talk]]) 22:38, 1 August 2022 (CEST)<br />
** +1 The gators were also so loud that you could barely understand/use the radio when you were sitting in it -- [[User:j0chen|j0chen]] ([[User talk:j0chen|talk]])<br />
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=== Other music/noise (outside the official party area) ===<br />
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* Please NEVER allow Holoplot to be on the field ever again. And if that is impossible to prevent, at least NOT do a late night party with that system. The volume OUTSIDE the tent was horrifying. -- [[User:Sebastius|Sebastius]] ([[User talk:Sebastius|talk]])<br />
* Bit torn on this one. It is a party event, but there was way too much loud music post 2 AM. Some of us do need sleep. I know, weak etc. I don't recall seeing a clear policy on what is acceptable, might be behind people feeling ok cranking up the volume after midnight. -- [[User:Ahu|Ahu]] ([[User talk:Ahu|talk]])<br />
* The Retro Arcade area was an absolute nuisance at night. They were blasting the neighbouring villages with shitty music and drunken yelling until 2 or 3 am pretty much every day. I can think of several words for this kind of behaviour, and none of them rhyme with "excellent". [[User:Alxndr|Alxndr]] ([[User talk:Alxndr|talk]])<br />
** +1 They also played the same 7 shitty songs each night. Seemed like most of the participants were corporates (BlueHatHacker, etc.). The whole thing felt pretty unfit for MCH. -- [[User:JT|JT]] ([[User talk:JT|talk]])<br />
* It seems like while the official policy was 'no noise after 1AM', it wasn't actively enforced for most cases - and I think that enabled people to also treat it a bit more like a hint rather than a rule? Perhaps for future events we should have numerical 'loudness' scores for all fields, forming a gradient, with a higher score letting people be louder and party later, and actually enforce that. That way loud people can camp in loud villages, while those who need peace and quiet can camp in quiet villages. -- [[User:Q3k|Q3k]] ([[User talk:Q3k|talk]])<br />
** I think this was sort-of implemented based on village input, but the usual event fields are just a bit too small for that to work reliably -- [[User:SK|SK]] ([[User talk:SK|talk]])<br />
* This was both badly communicated (FAQ said "until midnight", apparently the actual rule was from 1 am?) and not usefully enforced. Arcade area right next to family village especially apparently could do whatever they wanted. This makes awesome ideas like silent disco for the "official" music stage sadly quite moot. -- [[User:SK|SK]] ([[User talk:SK|talk]])<br />
* second-hand, but if security (i.e. the contact listed for noise complaints on the front page of this wiki!) really responded to calls about this with "don't call us unless there's an actual emergency" some rules seriously need to be re-established -- [[User:SK|SK]] ([[User talk:SK|talk]])<br />
* at the same time small villages further into the "louder sector" (i.e. away from family/silent camping) were told off for having any music on low volume -- [[User:SK|SK]] ([[User talk:SK|talk]])<br />
* Our village was placed in a party area. That was unfortunate. Next time I'll camp in a quiet are even if that means being far away from the village I am interested in. Geraffel adhered to the 1am quiet policy (yay!) but others didn't. They went on till after 4.30 and didn't honor complaints. -- [[User:Mosquito|Mosquito]] ([[User talk:Mosquito|talk]])<br />
* I was sad there was no place to party and dance after 2am. I agree people who want quiet should be able to enjoy quiet, but in a perfect camp there would be room for both. -- [[User:HerraBRE|HerraBRE]]<br />
* The distribution of the Villages and party zones was perhaps not quite ideal, felt the Family Zone (which had asked for quiet) was in the middle of the Party Zone (based on the noise / music) -- [[User:j0chen|j0chen]] ([[User talk:j0chen|talk]])<br />
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=== POC / Dect / Fieldphones ===<br />
* I couldn't find advance information as to when the phone / DECT network would be shut off on the wiki, having such information would be useful (but I may just have been looking in the wrong place) -- [[User:Pinoaffe|Pinoaffe]] ([[User talk:Pinoaffe|talk]])<br />
* DECT coverage was great around the whole camp area. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])<br />
** +1 Agreement from my side -- [[User:Foorschtbar|Foorschtbar]] ([[User talk:Foorschtbar|talk]])<br />
* DECT self-registration worked great (have been used to it for a while now from congress). -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])<br />
** +1 Agreement from my side -- [[User:Foorschtbar|Foorschtbar]] ([[User talk:Foorschtbar|talk]])<br />
* DECT was switched off too early. DECT is mandatory for teardown, especially as the gsm coverage is quite bad -- [[User:Sirgoofy|sirgoofy]]<br />
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=== Parcel deliveries ===<br />
* Many people that ordered things to the field were (seemingly) unaware of how parcel deliveries were supposed to work. This caused unnecessary overhead. -- [[User:Pinoaffe|Pinoaffe]] ([[User talk:Pinoaffe|talk]])<br />
* Collaborating with C3Post may be worthwhile for a next event, though they may not want to deal with large packages. -- [[User:Pinoaffe|Pinoaffe]] ([[User talk:Pinoaffe|talk]])<br />
** Delivering anything of real value sounds like a bad idea (on big events). Besides being way more effort than postcards, parcels (pending delivery) would require (secure-ish) storage space while not out for relivery or if the first delivery attempt failed. We'd also need extra couriers and not hand deliveries out to random passing-by hackers, which also leaks the info on the parcel (such as tracking numbers) to said random hackers. Also some postcards just got lost/didn't get delivered, which would be a real issue with parcels. -- [[User:Trilader|Trilader]] ([[User talk:Trilader|talk]])<br />
* Parcel deliveries had a procedure outlined at [[Parcel deliveries]] to keep them manageable, but somehow people still sent packages to the terrain without following the procedure, maybe something to add to the info booklet/advertise more?<br />
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=== Press / Media coverage ===<br />
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* Put your feedback here :)<br />
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=== Productiehuis / C3VOC ===<br />
* MOST EXCELLENT WORK!! -- [[User:Ahu|Ahu]] ([[User talk:Ahu|talk]])<br />
* The video-quality of the (few) talks I watched online was good, and I saw some nice fade effects. [[User:Fhp|Fhp]] ([[User talk:Fhp|talk]])<br />
* The hard cutoff of the intro tune annoys me every time. [[User:Fhp|Fhp]] ([[User talk:Fhp|talk]])<br />
* Kudos to the C3VOC! That was awesome! Video quality was excellent and the fact that each talk appeared in the C3 media archive only a couple of hours later impressed me very much. That is better service than many (or most?) commercial providers deliver. You people are fantastic! -- [[User:Mosquito|Mosquito]] ([[User talk:Mosquito|talk]])<br />
* Nothing short of amazing -- [[User:Raboof|Raboof]] ([[User talk:Raboof|talk]])<br />
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=== Projectleiding ===<br />
* Thank you for your work. -- [[User:Justelex|Justelex]] ([[User talk:Justelex|talk]])<br />
** +1 Agreement from my side -- [[User:Foorschtbar|Foorschtbar]] ([[User talk:Foorschtbar|talk]])<br />
** ++ -- [[User:M10|M10]] ([[User talk:M10|talk]])<br />
* <3 -- [[User:Raboof|Raboof]] ([[User talk:Raboof|talk]])<br />
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=== ROC ===<br />
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* Wheeze and his team did a excellent job! <br />
* Good work by the warehouse team for doing the battery swaps, saved a lot of time! [[User:MrLinux|MrLinux]]<br />
* Nice we had the HAM radio repeater! [[User:MrLinux|MrLinux]]<br />
* The ROC team lacked a bit on publicity, improvement for 2025! [[User:MrLinux|MrLinux]]<br />
* A QSL-wall could be an idea for 2025! [[User:MrLinux|MrLinux]]<br />
* We missed the VERON at the event [[User:MrLinux|MrLinux]]<br />
* Excellent Job. A Laminated card with "Radio rules" and the Channel distribution would be a nice thing to be handed out next time. -- [[User:Justelex|Justelex]] ([[User talk:Justelex|talk]])<br />
** Would definitely be good, just like enforcing the language on the radio, e.g. in a channel that was supposed to be explicitly in English, Dutch was often spoken anyway -- [[User:j0chen|j0chen]] ([[User talk:j0chen|talk]])<br />
* Next time after the DECT comes up, require as many radios as you can to be returned, forcing teams to use dect. Way better audio, point to point connections and people actually being reachable. -- [[User:Sebastius|Sebastius]] ([[User talk:Sebastius|talk]])<br />
* The audio quality sucked. Problem with the chosen technology, i know. Most conversations were completely unintelligible. -- [[User:Sebastius|Sebastius]] ([[User talk:Sebastius|talk]])<br />
* Teach people how to use the radio properly. I still don't know which name goes first etc. -- [[User:Sebastius|Sebastius]] ([[User talk:Sebastius|talk]])<br />
* Reconsider channel system. It happened too often that people were calling/listening on the wrong channel. [[User:Flimpie|Flimpie]] ([[User talk:Flimpie|talk]]) 22:38, 1 August 2022 (CEST)<br />
* Educate people on radio etiquette and how to properly talk into a radio. Yelling/speaking too quietly/having too much BG noise, combined with DMR compression creates inaudible speech [[User:Flimpie|Flimpie]] ([[User talk:Flimpie|talk]]) 22:38, 1 August 2022 (CEST)<br />
* Ensuring that the correct language is spoken. I heard a lot of Dutch during some security angelshifts, even though the channel was supposed to be in English. -- [[User:j0chen|j0chen]] ([[User talk:j0chen|talk]])<br />
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=== Safety / stewards / first aid / Fire Marshalls ===<br />
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* Phone numbers or other contact information was hard to find at the beginning of the event, added to the wiki later. --[[User:Juerd|Juerd]] ([[User talk:Juerd|talk]]) 20:47, 30 July 2022 (CEST)<br />
* There were no backup mobile phone numbers (at least none published) for reaching the safety teams in case of infrastructure outage, and they were unreachable when the network was down. --[[User:Juerd|Juerd]] ([[User talk:Juerd|talk]]) 20:47, 30 July 2022 (CEST)<br />
* Security: Bike path was open to all, so technically anyone could get on the terrain without a ticket. Which meant at least a few unwelcome visitors. - [[User:Noor|Noor]] ([[User talk:Noor|talk]])<br />
* I was surprised that the fire extinguishers were the first things being collected from our village (Geraffel) during teardown. At this time we still had a lot of people staying and as murphy wills, the fat bowl of our our barbecue catched fire afterwards. Fortunately nothing bad happened but my expectation would be to have extinguishers available until rented tents are torn down / all visitors are gone. At lease in large villages like ours. -- [[User:Cyb3rk41|Cyb3rk41]] ([[User talk:Cyb3rk41|talk]])<br />
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=== Shuttle services (train station, and luggage on site) ===<br />
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* Shuttle drop-off point on field should have been marked somewhere on the maps or wiki, during build-up. I spent forever asking around trying to find the drop-off point, only to find it at heaven. - [[User:Noor|Noor]] ([[User talk:Noor|talk]])<br />
* Shuttle was efficient and worked well when I used it -- [[User:SK|SK]] ([[User talk:SK|talk]])<br />
* Shuttle ticket was a bit last-minute and unclear (i.e. afaik never produced an actual "ticket", which lead to questions - and in the end was more like a donation than a strictly-required ticket) -- [[User:SK|SK]] ([[User talk:SK|talk]])<br />
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=== Supermarket ===<br />
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* The supermarket was a really valuable addition to the event, and probably saved lots of fuel and time for people. I found the prices acceptable, and the choice of products was surprisingly broad! --[[User:Juerd|Juerd]] ([[User talk:Juerd|talk]]) 20:47, 30 July 2022 (CEST)<br />
** +1 Agreement from my side -- [[User:Foorschtbar|Foorschtbar]] ([[User talk:Foorschtbar|talk]])<br />
* Supermarket was a great thing and I hope we'll have it at the next event. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])<br />
* Supermarket was wonderful, it felt like being back in civilization again and I could just zip inside to get a drink or breakfast for the next morning. - [[User:Noor|Noor]] ([[User talk:Noor|talk]])<br />
* was very useful to have and surprisingly well-stocked (i.e. not just packaged junk food). Next time they'll know to bring less soft-drinks and more Ethernet/USB/... cables ;) -- [[User:SK|SK]] ([[User talk:SK|talk]])<br />
* Guests from abroad struggled to make use of the supermarket, since it didn't accept foreign cards and there was no ATM on site. -- [[User:HerraBRE|HerraBRE]]<br />
* The supermarket was a really good idea, however my card was not accepted so I was very dependent on cash - Very limited without an ATM on camp. -- [[User:j0chen|j0chen]] ([[User talk:j0chen|talk]])<br />
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=== Sysadmin / bofh ===<br />
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* Having had to deal with the crumbling of central infrastructure in other events, I really appreciated the stability of the wiki and Engelsystem before and throughout the event. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])<br />
* Engelsystem and wiki could've used longer login sessions. Every time I tried to quickly check my angel shifts I had to login again. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])<br />
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=== Terrain ===<br />
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* The western way to quiet camping was not accessible: so narrow that you can only go one way at a time and a huge log being in the way.<br />
** I actually opened it up significantly with a trolley, it had 1,5m high weeds on it and was almost overgrown. [[User:SA007|SA007]] ([[User talk:SA007|talk]])<br />
* The quiet camping area (Wilson field) turned out to be quite crammed and could be bigger for the next event. I assume this was caused by the scouts taking some of that area due to the unfortunate double booking. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])<br />
* The quiet camping really missed a shower container, nearest was the family village, a 15 mins walk. (with sha2017 there was one) [[User:MrLinux|MrLinux]]<br />
* Not something really on us, I knew that the public bike path was to remain open. Most bikers were considerable in slowing down when crossing the Backbone at least, but some seemed to really adamant to enforce the negative stereotypes of people on road bikes. Create some speed bumps with cable ramps next time maybe? -- [[User:Dany|Dany]] ([[User talk:Dany|talk]])<br />
* It would have been good to (more strongly) encourage people with small children to camp in Family Zone and not Quiet Camping (Wilson field). It's unreasonable to expect small children to be quiet all the time, and yet this is what is expected on Wilson. Maybe we can make that clearer. [[User:Moem|Moem]] ([[User talk:Moem|talk]]) 13:49, 31 July 2022 (CEST)<br />
* really loved having the orga tents on the south trunk. For next time, maybe only have those teams on there that actually interact with visitors. -- [[User:Sebastius|Sebastius]] ([[User talk:Sebastius|talk]])<br />
* Next time maybe also place some villages on the south trunk road, the south trunk looked a bit 'dead' now with only orga tents. -- [[User:Sebastius|Sebastius]] ([[User talk:Sebastius|talk]])<br />
* The Zuse 'aux' path over the dike was weird and not signed properly, I walked it at night and actually looked at the map on my phone where the spot should be to get down off the dike. The path seemed to be 'walk up the dike', 'don't see any hint on where the path should be going...', 'look it up', 'walk ~150m to the left without any clue if it is the correct way' 'suddenly find a path down again'. [[User:SA007|SA007]] ([[User talk:SA007|talk]])<br />
* For me, it was the first hacker camp and i like the terrain with the ways, water, lakes, woods etc. much more than other camps, where all tens be a on a very large field -- [[User:Foorschtbar|Foorschtbar]] ([[User talk:Foorschtbar|talk]])<br />
** It was the same for me and I'm also a big fan of the terrain. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])<br />
* The online map was great - would be nice to 'level it up' for next time: searching on the map, better interlinking with the wiki, export to OsmAnd in a way that allows searching as well, mobile usability, etc -- [[User:Raboof|Raboof]] ([[User talk:Raboof|talk]])<br />
* Having the online map was great, but I wish to have something more optimized for mobile devices for the next event. Performance was poor (in mobile Firefox at least) and I totally missed the options menu for showing villages. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])<br />
* The online map was great, but I worked a lot with printed maps which were all outdated. I dont expect daily printouts, but during the teardown, the maps were still at the level of Day 0, where much has already been moved. Due to the missing Village function, the webmap was not an alternative for me.<br />
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=== Ticket and Entrance ===<br />
<br />
* Just works! Thank u -- [[User:Foorschtbar|Foorschtbar]] ([[User talk:Foorschtbar|talk]])<br />
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=== Toilets / Showers ===<br />
<br />
* The maintenance crew for the toilets/showers did a great job, IMHO, those facilities where usually in very good shape. [[User:Alxndr|Alxndr]] ([[User talk:Alxndr|talk]])<br />
** +1 Agreement from my side -- [[User:Foorschtbar|Foorschtbar]] ([[User talk:Foorschtbar|talk]])<br />
** +1 All facilities were great, better than anything I'm used to -- [[User:j0chen|j0chen]] ([[User talk:j0chen|talk]])<br />
* Easily the best showers of any hacker camp I've been to. -- [[User:Q3k|Q3k]] ([[User talk:Q3k|talk]])<br />
* There should have been showers closer to the quiet camping area. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])<br />
* This has been my first hacker camp and I don't know the "hacker camp standards" on showers but I know a lot of music festivals. Compared to this, I must say the showering experience was simply great! I always had warm water and never had to queue and this is something I NEVER experienced on any festival yet - I'm used to waiting and then having cold water only. -- [[User:Cyb3rk41|Cyb3rk41]] ([[User talk:Cyb3rk41|talk]])<br />
* Having urinals in all places where normal toilets were available would greatly have contributed to the cleanliness of the toilets, I suppose. -- [[User:Cyb3rk41|Cyb3rk41]] ([[User talk:Cyb3rk41|talk]])<br />
** +1 Agreement from my side -- [[User:Foorschtbar|Foorschtbar]] ([[User talk:Foorschtbar|talk]])<br />
* The showers and toilets were GREAT. Well done everyone involved! Random suggestion: it was warm enough that I would actually have welcomed a (cheaper and more eco-friendly?) cold shower option. -- [[User:HerraBRE|HerraBRE]]<br />
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=== Villages ===<br />
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* It is useful that villages are distributed over the field beforehand, but I think it would be reasonable to expect villages to 'lay their claim' physically on day 0 at the latest, and from day 1 onwards have any remaining empty space welcome unaffiliated hackers. Forcing unaffiliated hackers onto designated "free for all" areas seems like an antipattern to me. It might be better to have 'dots' on the map rather than 'areas' for distributing the villages, to promote more flexibility? Perhaps we can make pretty 'poles' to put into the ground saying "Village X will be around here, and is a small/medium/big village" for orientation? -- [[User:Raboof|Raboof]] ([[User talk:Raboof|talk]])<br />
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=== Village tent/furniture rental (Moebelhaus) ===<br />
<br />
* Our tent ended up being rotated by pi/2 compared to the map. This ended up totally throwing off what we were planning. We managed regardless, but it'd be great if in the future these maps would actually reflect reality :). -- [[User:Q3k|Q3k]] ([[User talk:Q3k|talk]])<br />
* Our tent was leaking, especially on the connector between modules. -- [[User:Q3k|Q3k]] ([[User talk:Q3k|talk]])<br />
* Don't see a spot for team tents. The Deco tent had a steel bar all around the bottom, making it really annoying with carts and a trip hazard. [[User:SA007|SA007]] ([[User talk:SA007|talk]])<br />
* Great service, very useful, good stuff. It would be nice to have some way to see which furniture was still 'in flight' and which had already been delivered, to catch missing/misdelivered furniture earlier -- [[User:Raboof|Raboof]] ([[User talk:Raboof|talk]])<br />
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=== Visitors ===<br />
<br />
* Most visitors were excellent, as always. But in the next few years when thinking of the next event, we should probably talk about people who I guess must be new to this community, that are incredibly lax with the photo/filming policy, and behave like consumers instead of participants. --[[User:Juerd|Juerd]] ([[User talk:Juerd|talk]]) 20:49, 30 July 2022 (CEST)<br />
** agreed, many post in social media contain lots of peoples faces. I doubt that everyone was asked for permission.<br />
* I suspect that there were quite a lot of 'visitors' that didn't have a ticket on site walking around besides the scouts. [[User:SA007|SA007]] ([[User talk:SA007|talk]])<br />
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=== Volunteering / Angels ===<br />
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* Providing the angels with reusable water bottles was a very good idea. [[User:Alxndr|Alxndr]] ([[User talk:Alxndr|talk]])<br />
** Agreed -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])<br />
** +1 - I did use it a lot more than I expected at first, which was probably quite healthy to do -- [[User:SK|SK]] ([[User talk:SK|talk]])<br />
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==== Volunteering ====<br />
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* Put your feedback here :)<br />
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==== Angel Food ====<br />
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* My only complaint about Mecklenb[öoøu]rg(er)? is that I still don't know how to spell their name. The food is wonderful, the people are great too! --[[User:Juerd|Juerd]] ([[User talk:Juerd|talk]]) 20:51, 30 July 2022 (CEST)<br />
** +1 Agreement from my side. The only thing i missed was more sorts of tea. i buyed one box of peppermint tea bags, and they where empty in 1h which means the people like it (more)!? -- [[User:Foorschtbar|Foorschtbar]] ([[User talk:Foorschtbar|talk]])<br />
* The food was great, as always :) -- [[User:Pinoaffe|Pinoaffe]] ([[User talk:Pinoaffe|talk]])<br />
* The angel food was incredible. One of the highlights of this event. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])<br />
* Angel food was mostly great, except for the dinner on day 0 and some dishes otherwise. I'd also have appreciated some sort of meat at least every other day. - [[User:Noor|Noor]] ([[User talk:Noor|talk]])<br />
* As always very good. Only complaint lack of coffee mugs -- [[User:SK|SK]] ([[User talk:SK|talk]])<br />
** Ha! I think i did order them, but for some reason we didn't get them. Will make a note for next time. -- [[User:Sebastius|Sebastius]] ([[User talk:Sebastius|talk]])<br />
* The Angel food was to die for (sorry, couldn't resist), big thanks to the Mecklenb[öoøu]rg(er) crew for that. Didn't miss a meat option at all. -- [[User:Dany|Dany]] ([[User talk:Dany|talk]])<br />
* I want a Mecklenbørger for my next birthday. It was just so relaxing to know that the kitchen was completely meat-free. [[User:Moem|Moem]] ([[User talk:Moem|talk]]) 13:52, 31 July 2022 (CEST)<br />
* Great food just like at SHA, and nice to have no worries about things containing meat :) -- [[User:F0x|F0x]] ([[User talk:F0x|talk]])<br />
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==== Angel Kitchen ====<br />
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* Dishwashing was a lot more manageable than at previous events, thanks to the fact that there as more equipment available. -- [[User:Pinoaffe|Pinoaffe]] ([[User talk:Pinoaffe|talk]])<br />
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==== Angel desk and Angel system ====<br />
<br />
* I'd really like it if the Engelsystem alert emails contained the actual update in the email content. I'd get spammed with email notifications and if I wanted to actually read the update, I'd have to click through and login to the Engelsystem. I just ended up leaving most of those updates unread throughout the day. - [[User:Noor|Noor]] ([[User talk:Noor|talk]])<br />
* Would be nice if the angelsystem was more usable on mobile -- [[User:Raboof|Raboof]] ([[User talk:Raboof|talk]])<br />
* The login sessions could have been a bit longer, I was constantly kicked out when I just wanted to look up something. -- [[User:j0chen|j0chen]] ([[User talk:j0chen|talk]])<br />
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==== Heaven ====<br />
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* I assume this was just some miscommunication etc, but the outdoor seating was removed too early, esp given covid situation. Otherwise all good. -- [[User:SK|SK]] ([[User talk:SK|talk]])<br />
** Yeah, it happened when i wasn't looking. We should have moved some tables outside. -- [[User:Sebastius|Sebastius]] ([[User talk:Sebastius|talk]])<br />
* The rules for core-team people (which were doing shifts outside the angel-system) for the heaven food should be made more clear. [[User:MrLinux|MrLinux]]<br />
** That was actually really clear. Your teamlead might not have communicated it to you. Red wristband for 'full time work during event' and vouchers obtainable by teamleads for those doing work outside of the angel system. -- [[User:Sebastius|Sebastius]] ([[User talk:Sebastius|talk]])<br />
* I dearly wish we would have had the time to decorate Heaven. Unfortunately, the loss of time during buildup (*shakes fist at the weather gods*) made that impossible. The tent itself was splendid, so spacious. [[User:Moem|Moem]] ([[User talk:Moem|talk]]) 13:54, 31 July 2022 (CEST)<br />
** Ah well, we did a little by ourselves with the parasols, and it was fine! Next time! -- [[User:Sebastius|Sebastius]] ([[User talk:Sebastius|talk]])<br />
<br />
=== Warehouse ===<br />
<br />
* Warehouse did a really great job. And I requested some really strange things. They even got Powercables and a Compressor for repairing the Flamethrowers. -- [[User:Justelex|Justelex]] ([[User talk:Justelex|talk]])<br />
** +1 Agreement from my side -- [[User:Foorschtbar|Foorschtbar]] ([[User talk:Foorschtbar|talk]])<br />
* Warehouse should maybe stock more small stepladders, I feel they were regularly all in use. Otherwise great supplies. [[User:SA007|SA007]] ([[User talk:SA007|talk]])<br />
<br />
=== Waste / garbage / trash ===<br />
<br />
* Slightly sad that trash was just split into “glass” and “everything else”. It'd be nice if we could at least recycle cardboard/paper! -- [[User:Q3k|Q3k]] ([[User talk:Q3k|talk]])<br />
** Agreed. Throwing everything into the "Other Waste" containers felt wrong. I understand this was on the waste company dropping the ball. Let's make sure this won't happen at the next event. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])<br />
** +1 Agreement from my side -- [[User:Foorschtbar|Foorschtbar]] ([[User talk:Foorschtbar|talk]])<br />
** That was the supplier dropping the ball in almost every category. It was in the plan (i co-wrote it) -- [[User:Sebastius|Sebastius]] ([[User talk:Sebastius|talk]])<br />
* an awful lot of mate etc bottles ended up in glass trash I think - the later-deployed bottle collection crates helped with that -- [[User:SK|SK]] ([[User talk:SK|talk]])<br />
** Yeah that happened last time too. We did plan for drop points. Not sure why the points weren't deployed earlier by team Bar. -- [[User:Sebastius|Sebastius]] ([[User talk:Sebastius|talk]])</div>Bronsenhttps://wiki.mch2022.org/index.php?title=User:Bronsen&diff=13041User:Bronsen2022-07-09T19:24:41Z<p>Bronsen: adjusted arrival date; added fediverse handle</p>
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<div>{{UserInfo<br />
|NickName={{PAGENAME}}<br />
|Bringing=Lava, cooking skills<br />
|Village=Village:geraffel, Village:infuanfu<br />
|Arrival=2022-07-21<br />
|Departure=2022-07-27<br />
|EMail=kontakt+mch2022@nrrd.de<br />
|DECT=5282 (LAVA), 6773 (NRRD)<br />
|Languages=EN,DE<br />
|HackerSpace=c-base, infuanfu<br />
}}<br />
== What I am (or let's see if you can find the hidden message) ==<br />
Among my '''superior''' hacking skills, '''excellent''' looks (annual best bronsen look alike for 43 years), an IQ of '''over 9000''', a '''yellow''' helicopter and '''unparalleled''' humility I will bring many bottles of '''Lava'''. <br />
<br />
[[File:Lava19 family.jpg|center|border|300px|link=https://k23v.de/|What we made for Chaos Camp in 2019]]<br />
<br />
Look at [https://shop.k23v.de/ our shop] to see what we have to offer this year. Ignore the prices though, because our camp prices will be lower. Cyber Globuli are free with every purchase!<br />
<br />
If you want to have some of that delicious Lava contact me via DECT (LAVA, 5282) or come by [[Village:geraffel|the geraffel village]].<br />
<br />
Here is my fediverse handle: @bronsen@chaos.social<br />
<br />
== What I do (or don't) ==<br />
<br />
I will most likely cook dinner in our village, at least I will eat dinner there. <br />
<br />
Then there is maximum chilling, and medium fun-having.</div>Bronsenhttps://wiki.mch2022.org/index.php?title=User:Bronsen&diff=12419User:Bronsen2022-07-05T21:32:31Z<p>Bronsen: add dect numbers</p>
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<div>{{UserInfo<br />
|NickName={{PAGENAME}}<br />
|Bringing=Lava, cooking skills<br />
|Village=Village:geraffel, Village:infuanfu<br />
|Arrival=2022-07-20<br />
|Departure=2022-07-27<br />
|EMail=kontakt+mch2022@nrrd.de<br />
|DECT=5282 (LAVA), 6773 (NRRD)<br />
|Languages=EN,DE<br />
|HackerSpace=c-base, infuanfu<br />
}}<br />
== What I am (or let's see if you can find the hidden message) ==<br />
Among my '''superior''' hacking skills, '''excellent''' looks (annual best bronsen look alike for 43 years), an IQ of '''over 9000''', a '''yellow''' helicopter and '''unparalleled''' humility I will bring many bottles of '''Lava'''. <br />
<br />
[[File:Lava19 family.jpg|center|border|300px|link=https://k23v.de/|What we made for Chaos Camp in 2019]]<br />
<br />
Look at [https://shop.k23v.de/ our shop] to see what we have to offer this year. Ignore the prices though, because our camp prices will be lower. Cyber Globuli are free with every purchase!<br />
<br />
If you want to have some of that delicious Lava contact me via DECT (LAVA, 5282) or come by [[Village:geraffel|the geraffel village]].<br />
<br />
== What I do (or don't) ==<br />
<br />
I will most likely cook dinner in our village, at least I will eat dinner there. <br />
<br />
Then there is maximum chilling, and medium fun-having.</div>Bronsenhttps://wiki.mch2022.org/index.php?title=Village:infuanfu&diff=10813Village:infuanfu2022-06-23T20:37:24Z<p>Bronsen: more better size estimates, provide context to orga</p>
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<div>{{Village<br />
|Has name=infuanfu<br />
|Has website=https://infuanfu.de/<br />
|Has contact=kontakt+mchinfo@infuanfu.de (email), @infuanfu@chaos.social (fediverse)<br />
|Has description=We are a very small but luxurious hackerspace in Germany<br />
|Related to village=Village:geraffel<br />
|Part of=Cluster:Geraffel<br />
|Provides session location=No<br />
|MapObjectHandle=infuanfu<br />
|On site orga contact=bronsen<br />
|Village frab=No<br />
|Village content space=No<br />
|Village citizen count=4<br />
|Village Needs power=Smaller Village (up to 2x 230V/Schuko)<br />
|Village size needed=100<br />
|Village hacktents num=0<br />
|Village Special Vehicle=No<br />
|Village Plans=... run a kitchen for our citizens<br />
|Village planning notes=This year we are very closely related to Village:geraffel and should be considered part of that village. In other words, we do not require extra ressources beyond those that geraffel requires, well we do need space for our tents of course. <br />
<br />
We just want to have our name out there :)<br />
<br />
We are aware of geraffel's tendency for noise, and we accept that :D<br />
<br />
Thanks for organizing! <3<br />
}}<br />
[[File:logo-infuanfu.svg|700px|border|center|link=https://infuanfu.de/|yes that's our logo, click to visit our homepage]]<br />
<br />
== Institut für angewandte Futuristik, der Luxus-Hackerspace in Deutschland ==<br />
<br />
<br />
We are a sub-village of [[Village:geraffel]], and have the largest ratio of banner size to member count.</div>Bronsenhttps://wiki.mch2022.org/index.php?title=User:Bronsen&diff=8052User:Bronsen2022-05-12T22:22:16Z<p>Bronsen: arrival and departure date</p>
<hr />
<div>{{UserInfo<br />
|NickName={{PAGENAME}}<br />
|Bringing=Lava, cooking skills<br />
|Village=Village:geraffel, Village:infuanfu<br />
|EMail=kontakt+mch2022@nrrd.de<br />
|Languages=EN,DE<br />
|HackerSpace=c-base, infuanfu<br />
|Arrival=2022-07-20<br />
|Departure=2022-07-27<br />
}}<br />
<br />
== What I am (or let's see if you can find the hidden message) ==<br />
Among my '''superior''' hacking skills, '''excellent''' looks (annual best bronsen look alike for 43 years), an IQ of '''over 9000''', a '''yellow''' helicopter and '''unparalleled''' humility I will bring many bottles of '''Lava'''. <br />
<br />
[[File:Lava19 family.jpg|center|border|300px|link=https://k23v.de/|What we made for Chaos Camp in 2019]]<br />
<br />
Look at [https://shop.k23v.de/ our shop] to see what we have to offer this year. Ignore the prices though, because our camp prices will be lower. Cyber Globuli are free with every purchase!<br />
<br />
If you want to have some of that delicious Lava contact me via DECT ('''TODO''' insert numbers) or come by [[Village:geraffel|the geraffel village]].<br />
<br />
== What I do (or don't) ==<br />
<br />
I will most likely cook dinner in our village, at least I will eat dinner there. <br />
<br />
Then there is maximum chilling, and medium fun-having.</div>Bronsenhttps://wiki.mch2022.org/index.php?title=User:Bronsen&diff=7726User:Bronsen2022-05-04T18:04:35Z<p>Bronsen: emphasize hidden message</p>
<hr />
<div>{{UserInfo<br />
|NickName={{PAGENAME}}<br />
|Bringing=Lava, cooking skills<br />
|Village=Village:geraffel, Village:infuanfu<br />
|EMail=kontakt+mch2022@nrrd.de<br />
|Languages=EN,DE<br />
|HackerSpace=c-base, infuanfu<br />
}}<br />
<br />
== What I am (or let's see if you can find the hidden message) ==<br />
Among my '''superior''' hacking skills, '''excellent''' looks (annual best bronsen look alike for 43 years), an IQ of '''over 9000''', a '''yellow''' helicopter and '''unparalleled''' humility I will bring many bottles of '''Lava'''. <br />
<br />
[[File:Lava19 family.jpg|center|border|300px|link=https://k23v.de/|What we made for Chaos Camp in 2019]]<br />
<br />
Look at [https://shop.k23v.de/ our shop] to see what we have to offer this year. Ignore the prices though, because our camp prices will be lower. Cyber Globuli are free with every purchase!<br />
<br />
If you want to have some of that delicious Lava contact me via DECT ('''TODO''' insert numbers) or come by [[Village:geraffel|the geraffel village]].<br />
<br />
== What I do (or don't) ==<br />
<br />
I will most likely cook dinner in our village, at least I will eat dinner there. <br />
<br />
Then there is maximum chilling, and medium fun-having.</div>Bronsenhttps://wiki.mch2022.org/index.php?title=Village:infuanfu&diff=7724Village:infuanfu2022-05-04T17:54:12Z<p>Bronsen: more contact info, more meta info on logo</p>
<hr />
<div>[[File:logo-infuanfu.svg|700px|border|center|link=https://infuanfu.de/|yes that's our logo, click to visit our homepage]]<br />
<br />
== Institut für angewandte Futuristik, der Luxus-Hackerspace in Deutschland ==<br />
<br />
<br />
We are a sub-village of [[Village:geraffel]], and have the largest ratio of banner size to member count.<br />
<br />
<br />
{{Village<br />
|Has name=infuanfu<br />
|Has website=https://infuanfu.de/<br />
|Has contact=kontakt+mchinfo@infuanfu.de (email), @infuanfu@chaos.social (fediverse)<br />
|Has description=We are a very small but luxurious hackerspace in Germany<br />
|Provides session location=No<br />
|On site orga contact=bronsen<br />
|Village frab=No<br />
|Village content space=No<br />
|Village citizen count=4<br />
|Village size needed=42069<br />
|Village hacktents num=0<br />
|Village Special Vehicle=No<br />
}}<br />
<br />
== Who will join ==<br />
<br />
{| class="wikitable"<br />
|-<br />
! User / Nick !! arrive !! depature !! Notes<br />
|-<br />
| [[User:hadez|hadez]] || tbd || tbd|| tbd<br />
|-<br />
| [[User:bronsen|bronsen]] || tbd || tbd|| tbd<br />
|-<br />
| [[User:Trang|Trang]] || tbd || tbd|| tbd<br />
|-<br />
| [[User:Dojoe|Jocki]] || tbd || tbd || tbdöner<br />
|}</div>Bronsenhttps://wiki.mch2022.org/index.php?title=Village:infuanfu&diff=7714Village:infuanfu2022-05-04T17:36:34Z<p>Bronsen: website info</p>
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<div>{{Village<br />
|Has name=infuanfu<br />
|Has website=https://infuanfu.de/<br />
|Has contact=kontakt+mchinfo@infuanfu.de<br />
|Provides session location=No<br />
|On site orga contact=bronsen<br />
|Village frab=No<br />
|Village content space=No<br />
|Village citizen count=4<br />
|Village size needed=42069<br />
|Village hacktents num=0<br />
|Village Special Vehicle=No<br />
}}<br />
[[File:logo-infuanfu.svg|700px|center]]<br />
<br />
<br />
<br />
<br />
<br />
<br />
Institut für angewandte Futuristik<br />
<br />
<br />
We are a sub-village of [[Village:geraffel]].<br />
<br />
<br />
== Who will join ==<br />
<br />
{| class="wikitable"<br />
|-<br />
! User / Nick !! arrive !! depature !! Notes<br />
|-<br />
| [[User:hadez|hadez]] || tbd || tbd|| tbd<br />
|-<br />
| [[User:bronsen|bronsen]] || tbd || tbd|| tbd<br />
|-<br />
| [[User:Trang|Trang]] || tbd || tbd|| tbd<br />
|-<br />
| [[User:Dojoe|Jocki]] || tbd || tbd || tbdöner<br />
|-<br />
| Example || Example || Example || Example<br />
|-<br />
| Example || Example || Example || Example<br />
|-<br />
| Example || Example || Example || Example<br />
|}</div>Bronsenhttps://wiki.mch2022.org/index.php?title=Village:infuanfu&diff=7713Village:infuanfu2022-05-04T17:35:50Z<p>Bronsen: put logo at the top of page</p>
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<div>[[File:logo-infuanfu.svg|700px|center]]<br />
{{Village<br />
|Has name=infuanfu<br />
|Has contact=kontakt+mchinfo@infuanfu.de<br />
|Provides session location=No<br />
|On site orga contact=bronsen<br />
|Village frab=No<br />
|Village content space=No<br />
|Village citizen count=4<br />
|Village size needed=42069<br />
|Village hacktents num=0<br />
|Village Special Vehicle=No<br />
}}<br />
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Institut für angewandte Futuristik<br />
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We are a sub-village of [[Village:geraffel]].<br />
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== Who will join ==<br />
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{| class="wikitable"<br />
|-<br />
! User / Nick !! arrive !! depature !! Notes<br />
|-<br />
| [[User:hadez|hadez]] || tbd || tbd|| tbd<br />
|-<br />
| [[User:bronsen|bronsen]] || tbd || tbd|| tbd<br />
|-<br />
| [[User:Trang|Trang]] || tbd || tbd|| tbd<br />
|-<br />
| [[User:Dojoe|Jocki]] || tbd || tbd || tbdöner<br />
|-<br />
| Example || Example || Example || Example<br />
|-<br />
| Example || Example || Example || Example<br />
|-<br />
| Example || Example || Example || Example<br />
|}</div>Bronsenhttps://wiki.mch2022.org/index.php?title=Village:infuanfu&diff=7712Village:infuanfu2022-05-04T17:35:12Z<p>Bronsen: general contact info</p>
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<div>{{Village<br />
|Has name=infuanfu<br />
|Has contact=kontakt+mchinfo@infuanfu.de<br />
|Provides session location=No<br />
|On site orga contact=bronsen<br />
|Village frab=No<br />
|Village content space=No<br />
|Village citizen count=4<br />
|Village size needed=42069<br />
|Village hacktents num=0<br />
|Village Special Vehicle=No<br />
}}<br />
[[File:logo-infuanfu.svg|700px|center]]<br />
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Institut für angewandte Futuristik<br />
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We are a sub-village of [[Village:geraffel]].<br />
<br />
<br />
== Who will join ==<br />
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{| class="wikitable"<br />
|-<br />
! User / Nick !! arrive !! depature !! Notes<br />
|-<br />
| [[User:hadez|hadez]] || tbd || tbd|| tbd<br />
|-<br />
| [[User:bronsen|bronsen]] || tbd || tbd|| tbd<br />
|-<br />
| [[User:Trang|Trang]] || tbd || tbd|| tbd<br />
|-<br />
| [[User:Dojoe|Jocki]] || tbd || tbd || tbdöner<br />
|-<br />
| Example || Example || Example || Example<br />
|-<br />
| Example || Example || Example || Example<br />
|-<br />
| Example || Example || Example || Example<br />
|}</div>Bronsenhttps://wiki.mch2022.org/index.php?title=Village:infuanfu&diff=7681Village:infuanfu2022-05-04T01:03:52Z<p>Bronsen: added bronsen, chose svg logo, updated village meta data (contact info, citizen count)</p>
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[[File:logo-infuanfu.svg|700px|center]]<br />
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{{Village<br />
|Has name=infuanfu<br />
|Provides session location=No<br />
|On site orga contact=bronsen<br />
|Village frab=No<br />
|Village content space=No<br />
|Village citizen count=4<br />
|Village size needed=42069<br />
|Village hacktents num=0<br />
|Village Special Vehicle=No<br />
}}<br />
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<br />
Institut für angewandte Futuristik<br />
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We are a sub-village of [[Village:geraffel]].<br />
<br />
<br />
== Who will join ==<br />
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{| class="wikitable"<br />
|-<br />
! User / Nick !! arrive !! depature !! Notes<br />
|-<br />
| [[User:hadez|hadez]] || tbd || tbd|| tbd<br />
|-<br />
| [[User:bronsen|bronsen]] || tbd || tbd|| tbd<br />
|-<br />
| [[User:Trang|Trang]] || tbd || tbd|| tbd<br />
|-<br />
| [[User:Dojoe|Jocki]] || tbd || tbd || tbdöner<br />
|-<br />
| Example || Example || Example || Example<br />
|-<br />
| Example || Example || Example || Example<br />
|-<br />
| Example || Example || Example || Example<br />
|}</div>Bronsenhttps://wiki.mch2022.org/index.php?title=File:Logo-infuanfu.svg&diff=7680File:Logo-infuanfu.svg2022-05-04T00:58:37Z<p>Bronsen: logo of infuanfu e.V.</p>
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<div>== Summary ==<br />
logo of infuanfu e.V.</div>Bronsenhttps://wiki.mch2022.org/index.php?title=User:Bronsen&diff=7679User:Bronsen2022-05-04T00:56:46Z<p>Bronsen: </p>
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<div>{{UserInfo<br />
|NickName={{PAGENAME}}<br />
|Bringing=Lava, cooking skills<br />
|Village=Village:geraffel, Village:infuanfu<br />
|EMail=kontakt+mch2022@nrrd.de<br />
|Languages=EN,DE<br />
|HackerSpace=c-base, infuanfu<br />
}}<br />
Among my superior hacking skills, excellent looks (annual best bronsen look alike for 43 years), an IQ of over 9000, a private helicopter and unparalleled humility I will bring many bottles of Lava. <br />
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[[File:Lava19 family.jpg|center|border|300px|link=https://k23v.de/|What we made for Chaos Camp in 2019]]<br />
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Look at [https://shop.k23v.de/ our shop] to see what we have to offer this year. Ignore the prices though, because our camp prices will be lower.<br />
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If you want to have some of that delicious Lava contact me via DECT ('''TODO''' insert numbers) or come by [[Village:geraffel|the geraffel village]].</div>Bronsenhttps://wiki.mch2022.org/index.php?title=User:Bronsen&diff=7526User:Bronsen2022-04-27T17:16:32Z<p>Bronsen: added link to lava image</p>
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<div>{{UserInfo<br />
|NickName={{PAGENAME}}<br />
|Bringing=Lava, cooking skills<br />
|Village=Village:geraffel<br />
|EMail=kontakt+mch2022@nrrd.de<br />
|Languages=EN,DE<br />
|HackerSpace=c-base, infuanfu<br />
}}<br />
Among my superior hacking skills, excellent looks (annual best bronsen look alike since the 70s), an IQ of over 9000, a private helicopter and unparalleled humility I will bring many bottles of Lava. <br />
<br />
[[File:Lava19 family.jpg|center|border|300px|link=https://k23v.de/|What we made for Chaos Camp in 2019]]<br />
<br />
Look at [https://shop.k23v.de/ our shop] to see what we have to offer this year. Ignore the prices though, because our camp prices will be lower.<br />
<br />
If you want to have some of that delicious Lava contact me via DECT ('''TODO''' insert numbers) or come by [[Village:geraffel|the geraffel village]].</div>Bronsenhttps://wiki.mch2022.org/index.php?title=User:Bronsen&diff=7525User:Bronsen2022-04-27T17:11:24Z<p>Bronsen: added shameless plug for my lava sauce</p>
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<div><br />
{{UserInfo<br />
|NickName={{PAGENAME}}<br />
|Bringing=Lava, cooking skills<br />
|Village=Village:geraffel<br />
|EMail=kontakt+mch2022@nrrd.de<br />
|Languages=EN,DE<br />
|HackerSpace=c-base, infuanfu<br />
}}<br />
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Among my superior hacking skills, excellent looks (annual best bronsen look alike since the 70s), an IQ of over 9000, a private helicopter and unparalleled humility I will bring many bottles of Lava. <br />
<br />
[[File:Lava19 family.jpg|center|border|300px|What we made for Chaos Camp in 2019]]<br />
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Look at [https://shop.k23v.de/ our shop] to see what we have to offer this year. Ignore the prices though, because our camp prices will be lower.<br />
<br />
If you want to have some of that delicious Lava contact me via DECT ('''TODO''' insert numbers) or come by [[Village:geraffel|the geraffel village]].</div>Bronsenhttps://wiki.mch2022.org/index.php?title=File:Lava19_family.jpg&diff=7524File:Lava19 family.jpg2022-04-27T16:53:20Z<p>Bronsen: </p>
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<div>The whole product range of our Lava19 brand.</div>Bronsenhttps://wiki.mch2022.org/index.php?title=User:Bronsen&diff=7521User:Bronsen2022-04-27T16:45:25Z<p>Bronsen: added blurb about lava</p>
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<div>{{UserInfo<br />
|NickName={{PAGENAME}}<br />
|Bringing=Lava, cooking skills<br />
|Village=Village:geraffel<br />
|EMail=kontakt+mch2022@nrrd.de<br />
|Languages=EN,DE<br />
|HackerSpace=c-base, infuanfu<br />
}}<br />
Contact me for [https://shop.k23v.de/ Lava] (DECT for lava phone coming soon), we will have a special camp price. Or you can drop by the [[Village:geraffel]].</div>Bronsenhttps://wiki.mch2022.org/index.php?title=File:User-Bronsen.jpg&diff=7520File:User-Bronsen.jpg2022-04-27T16:23:25Z<p>Bronsen: </p>
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<div></div>Bronsenhttps://wiki.mch2022.org/index.php?title=User:Bronsen&diff=7519User:Bronsen2022-04-27T16:21:57Z<p>Bronsen: added village, hackerspace and contact info</p>
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<div>{{UserInfo<br />
|NickName={{PAGENAME}}<br />
|Village=Village:geraffel<br />
|EMail=kontakt+mch2022@nrrd.de<br />
|Languages=EN,DE<br />
|HackerSpace=c-base, infuanfu<br />
}}</div>Bronsenhttps://wiki.mch2022.org/index.php?title=User:Bronsen&diff=5183User:Bronsen2021-09-30T09:09:33Z<p>Bronsen: create user page</p>
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<div><br />
{{UserInfo<br />
|NickName={{PAGENAME}}<br />
|Languages=EN<br />
|HackerSpace=<br />
}}</div>Bronsen