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Feedback

2022-07-30T23:22:33Z

SK: /* General / overall */

== Posted reviews, media, blogs/vlogs, photo collections, etc ==

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== How to post feedback ==

First of all, let's talk about negativity bias a bit. Please make sure to post a fair balance between positive and negative feedback. Feedback about what went wrong is important, but feedback about what went right is even more important. Do share your negativity, but please be kind and remember we're a bunch of volunteers. To thrive and continue to organize these events, we need a certain amount of positivity, preferably a list of the very specific things you loved and would like to experience again!

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== Topics ==

=== General / overall ===

* So happy about the progressive pride and Antifa flag on the tower
* Awesome event again, thanks to everyone who did their part to making it such -- [[User:SK|SK]] ([[User talk:SK|talk]])

=== Arrival / departure / parking / train shuttle / luggage shuttle ===

* I was surprised twice that empty places in the field were apparently claimed. It was not clear to me that people had staked out places already on the wiki. This would seem to me one of The Most Important Things To Tell People: "whatever is on the wiki wins". Or perhaps abolish that, also fine by me, but in any case be very clear about it. I could also do with an AR app or so that shows me what people claimed :-) -- [[User:Ahu|Ahu]] ([[User talk:Ahu|talk]])

* Last day of the event felt kinda "lost" as people were beginning to tear things down from early on in the day well before the closing event. Was bit of a weird mood/feeling. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])

=== Badge ===

* Very well-made and polished badge, really surprised me with the effort put into it and its versatility! [[User:Vurpo|Vurpo]] ([[User talk:Vurpo|talk]]) 21:07, 30 July 2022 (CEST)
* The badge is really nice, but the price of MCH admission is already hindering people we'd like to reach. Perhaps do consider if we really need it. -- [[User:Ahu|Ahu]] ([[User talk:Ahu|talk]])
* Awesome badge, I had a lot of fun tinkering with it during camp and always received helpful advice in the IRC channel. Please keep this project going! [[User:Alxndr|Alxndr]] ([[User talk:Alxndr|talk]])

=== Bars and food court ===

* The capacity of the food-stands was quite low, which resulted in long waiting times. Not good with hungry kids. [[User:Fhp|Fhp]] ([[User talk:Fhp|talk]])
* Agree with above: low capacity for the commercial food stands. They also didn't seem to grasp the concept of 'lunch'. I expected them to be up and running around 13.00, but most of them weren't, resulting in even longer lines at the places that were open earlier. -- [[User:Dany|Dany]] ([[User talk:Dany|talk]])
* The food stands I've visited (Wok, Fries) had poor in-person advertising of everything that they were actually selling and how much it cost. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])
=== Buildup and teardown ===

* As one of the persons who collected what felt like a kilometre of Flatterband at teardown, and removed a pile of pegs it was attached to, I would like to thank those buildup angels who didn't sink the pegs below ground level. You made my job a lot easier! :) [[User:Alxndr|Alxndr]] ([[User talk:Alxndr|talk]])

=== COVID19 precautions ===

* Thanks for caring about ventilation. [https://grafana.mch2022.org/d/q9gZutJ7z/mch2022?orgId=1&viewPanel=30&from=1658492800367&to=1658853839068 CO2 meters] and open sides weren't in place during the opening talk, but this was fixed quickly after and I heard the security team kept an eye on the graphs. --[[User:Juerd|Juerd]] ([[User talk:Juerd|talk]]) 20:43, 30 July 2022 (CEST)
* I liked the availability of masks and self tests for those who forgot to bring their own. I've heard about a few dozen people who got infected, but there were probably more. Thanks to the rapid tests and the heroes who chose to isolate, we may have averted a disastrous superspreading event. --[[User:Juerd|Juerd]] ([[User talk:Juerd|talk]]) 22:02, 30 July 2022 (CEST)
** Very much appreciated the easy availability of masks and rapid tests. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])
* It would have been good to switch from recommended to required mask wearing, at least indoors, once it became clear that "personal responsibility" wasn't working out (even in this community, what a disappointment). [[User:Alxndr|Alxndr]] ([[User talk:Alxndr|talk]])
** Agreeing on all points. Was also a bit disappointed. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])

=== Cohesion ===

* Put your feedback here :)

=== Content / talks / heralds / speakerdesk / AV / recordings ===

* In the end it worked pretty well, but perhaps do ponder having some "known good" presenter laptops/devices available. This has worked very well for other conferences. I used a 200 euro Chromebook with a throwaway google account. -- [[User:Ahu|Ahu]] ([[User talk:Ahu|talk]])
* This is a matter of taste - if you light up the speakers real well, the audience can enjoy a well lighted speaker. But the speaker then often can't see the audience. And during my talks, I love to actually see the audience. This was better in 2017 (at least in Abacus and Battery). -- [[User:Ahu|Ahu]] ([[User talk:Ahu|talk]])
* The speaker desk and the room to work is absolutely ACE. -- [[User:Ahu|Ahu]] ([[User talk:Ahu|talk]])

=== Decoration / design ===

* Well done all around -- [[User:SK|SK]] ([[User talk:SK|talk]]) 01:07, 31 July 2022 (CEST)

=== Family / kids ===

* Put your feedback here :)

=== Finance / coins / payments ===

* Payment by card worked mostly well, other than the supermarket not accepting international cards. My main issue was that the payment system was not well enough explained before the actual event! The blog post and wiki page were pretty long and still left me confused about what the actual payment system on the field was going to end up being. Even a simple "TL;DR we will use regular international payment cards with chip/contactless" would have helped me. [[User:Vurpo|Vurpo]] ([[User talk:Vurpo|talk]]) 21:04, 30 July 2022 (CEST)
* I asked at several bars and the food court where I could get the prepaid card for the MCH payment system, but nobody knew, so I ended up using my regular payment card. [[User:Alxndr|Alxndr]] ([[User talk:Alxndr|talk]]
** The MCH payment system only was operational from about day 3. - [[User:Noor|Noor]]
* I liked the idea of the cashless QR-code, especially the later upgrade to a "hard card" rather than just a stub of thermal paper. Avoids using the big payment providers and frees one of having to carry around cash. However I would've loved seeing more universal acceptance around the event (for example at the supermarket). -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])

=== Harbour / Ferry ===

* Loved the ferry service not as much as a shuttle to the other side of the water way, but as a way to enjoy some quiet time and a light breeze to (mentally) recharge away from the event. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])

=== Information / infodesk / wiki ===

* The infodesk should've been open for longer/as long as possible. (background: I've sat on the NOC helpdesk a bunch of times after the last infodesk angles were gone and dealt with quite a few people that were originally looking for the helpdesk; also being able to respond to infodesk calls for longer). -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])

=== Lounges ===

* Silent lounge was very well done. Nicely decorated and people behaving very considerate (i.e. really tried to be silent). No wonder that it was popular to the point where it could've used more pillows. I was worried that people would start camping inside the lounge (similar things happen at congress for example), but that didn't turn out to be true. I've seen plenty of people taking a nap away from the noise of the event, but thankfully nobody started living inside the lounge. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])
* Besides the silent lounge, I wish there were more places for people, especially for those without a village, to relax in the shade near an Ethernet port and power socket. In the harbour there was the wood table with tent roof and the bar with a couple of seats, but away from power sockets and besides that a few deckchairs. Otherwise mostly hard wooden benches without shade (and power sockets). -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])
** +1 agreed, a few dedicated shaded outdoor spots would've been nice -- [[User:SK|SK]] ([[User talk:SK|talk]])

=== Merchandise ===

* The designs look great, I'm a fan of the asymmetry and the patterned sleeves. Not being able to go a size up or down from what you ordered online was kind of disappointing. Not a major issue for myself but I know of several people who were sad about this. The [[merch exchange]] is not a great solution, but better than nothing. --[[User:Juerd|Juerd]] ([[User talk:Juerd|talk]]) 20:54, 30 July 2022 (CEST)
* Merch was great: Awesome design and high quality. Preodering saved me from having to stay in a (humongous) line in the heat. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])
* I absolutely love the hexagonal patterns and diagrams, but the amount of purple/pink was enough to keep me from buying more than a hat (that, and sizes being too big for me). - [[User:Noor|Noor]] ([[User talk:Noor|talk]])
* Nice merch, despite at first not being a fan of the design. Option to preorder is great. -- [[User:SK|SK]] ([[User talk:SK|talk]])

=== Miscellaneous ===

* Swan family was pretty relaxed with all the people and activity, camping out in the middle of the terrain. - [[User:Noor|Noor]] ([[User talk:Noor|talk]]

=== Music/laser stage / silent disco / Symphony of Fire ===

* Music stage with the flamethrowers, and Symphony of Fire were awesome. - [[User:Noor|Noor]] ([[User talk:Noor|talk]])
* Very well done. Silent disco was a neat solution to the inherent noise conflicts. What exactly is going on could have been a bit more detailed in the schedule, some people were sad they missed interesting things because they didn't realize who was playing. -- [[User:SK|SK]] ([[User talk:SK|talk]])

=== NOC / Network ===

* My SFP+ module got to stay in a datenklo. A++++ would camp again. -- [[User:Q3k|Q3k]] ([[User talk:Q3k|talk]])

=== Off-Site Logistics ===

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=== On-Site Logistics ===

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=== Other music/noise (outside the official party area) ===

* Bit torn on this one. It is a party event, but there was way too much loud music post 2 AM. Some of us do need sleep. I know, weak etc. I don't recall seeing a clear policy on what is acceptable, might be behind people feeling ok cranking up the volume after midnight. -- [[User:Ahu|Ahu]] ([[User talk:Ahu|talk]])
* The Retro Arcade area was an absolute nuisance at night. They were blasting the neighbouring villages with shitty music and drunken yelling until 2 or 3 am pretty much every day. I can think of several words for this kind of behaviour, and none of them rhyme with "excellent". [[User:Alxndr|Alxndr]] ([[User talk:Alxndr|talk]])
* It seems like while the official policy was 'no noise after 1AM', it wasn't actively enforced for most cases - and I think that enabled people to also treat it a bit more like a hint rather than a rule? Perhaps for future events we should have numerical 'loudness' scores for all fields, forming a gradient, with a higher score letting people be louder and party later, and actually enforce that. That way loud people can camp in loud villages, while those who need peace and quiet can camp in quiet villages. -- [[User:Q3k|Q3k]] ([[User talk:Q3k|talk]])
** I think this was sort-of implemented based on village input, but the usual event fields are just a bit too small for that to work reliably -- [[User:SK|SK]] ([[User talk:SK|talk]])
* This was both badly communicated (FAQ said "until midnight", apparently the actual rule was from 1 am?) and not usefully enforced. Arcade area right next to family village especially apparently could do whatever they wanted. This makes awesome ideas like silent disco for the "official" music stage sadly quite moot. -- [[User:SK|SK]] ([[User talk:SK|talk]])
* second-hand, but if security (i.e. the contact listed for noise complaints on the front page of this wiki!) really responded to calls about this with "don't call us unless there's an actual emergency" some rules seriously need to be re-established -- [[User:SK|SK]] ([[User talk:SK|talk]])
* at the same time small villages further into the "louder sector" (i.e. away from family/silent camping) were told off for having any music on low volume -- [[User:SK|SK]] ([[User talk:SK|talk]])

=== POC / Dect / Fieldphones ===
* I couldn't find advance information as to when the phone / DECT network would be shut off on the wiki, having such information would be useful (but I may just have been looking in the wrong place) -- [[User:Pinoaffe|Pinoaffe]] ([[User talk:Pinoaffe|talk]])
* DECT coverage was great around the whole camp area. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])
* DECT self-registration worked great (have been used to it for a while now from congress). -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])

=== Parcel deliveries ===
* Many people that ordered things to the field were (seemingly) unaware of how parcel deliveries were supposed to work. This caused unnecessary overhead. -- [[User:Pinoaffe|Pinoaffe]] ([[User talk:Pinoaffe|talk]])
* Collaborating with C3Post may be worthwhile for a next event, though they may not want to deal with large packages. -- [[User:Pinoaffe|Pinoaffe]] ([[User talk:Pinoaffe|talk]])
** Delivering anything of real value sounds like a bad idea (on big events). Besides being way more effort than postcards, parcels (pending delivery) would require (secure-ish) storage space while not out for relivery or if the first delivery attempt failed. We'd also need extra couriers and not hand deliveries out to random passing-by hackers, which also leaks the info on the parcel (such as tracking numbers) to said random hackers. Also some postcards just got lost/didn't get delivered, which would be a real issue with parcels. -- [[User:Trilader|Trilader]] ([[User talk:Trilader|talk]])

=== Press / Media coverage ===

* Put your feedback here :)

=== Productiehuis / C3VOC ===
* MOST EXCELLENT WORK!! -- [[User:Ahu|Ahu]] ([[User talk:Ahu|talk]])
* The video-quality of the (few) talks I watched online was good, and I saw some nice fade effects. [[User:Fhp|Fhp]] ([[User talk:Fhp|talk]])
* The hard cutoff of the intro tune annoys me every time. [[User:Fhp|Fhp]] ([[User talk:Fhp|talk]])

=== Projectleiding ===

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=== ROC ===

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=== Safety / stewards / first aid / Fire Marshalls ===

* Phone numbers or other contact information was hard to find at the beginning of the event, added to the wiki later. --[[User:Juerd|Juerd]] ([[User talk:Juerd|talk]]) 20:47, 30 July 2022 (CEST)
* There were no backup mobile phone numbers (at least none published) for reaching the safety teams in case of infrastructure outage, and they were unreachable when the network was down. --[[User:Juerd|Juerd]] ([[User talk:Juerd|talk]]) 20:47, 30 July 2022 (CEST)
* Security: Bike path was open to all, so technically anyone could get on the terrain without a ticket. Which meant at least a few unwelcome visitors. - [[User:Noor|Noor]] ([[User talk:Noor|talk]])

=== Shuttle services (train station, and luggage on site) ===

* Shuttle drop-off point on field should have been marked somewhere on the maps or wiki, during build-up. I spent forever asking around trying to find the drop-off point, only to find it at heaven. - [[User:Noor|Noor]] ([[User talk:Noor|talk]])
* Shuttle was efficient and worked well when I used it -- [[User:SK|SK]] ([[User talk:SK|talk]])
* Shuttle ticket was a bit last-minute and unclear (i.e. afaik never produced an actual "ticket", which lead to questions - and in the end was more like a donation than a strictly-required ticket) -- [[User:SK|SK]] ([[User talk:SK|talk]])

=== Supermarket ===

* The supermarket was a really valuable addition to the event, and probably saved lots of fuel and time for people. I found the prices acceptable, and the choice of products was surprisingly broad! --[[User:Juerd|Juerd]] ([[User talk:Juerd|talk]]) 20:47, 30 July 2022 (CEST)
* Supermarket was a great thing and I hope we'll have it at the next event. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])
* Supermarket was wonderful, it felt like being back in civilization again and I could just zip inside to get a drink or breakfast for the next morning. - [[User:Noor|Noor]] ([[User talk:Noor|talk]])
* was very useful to have and surprisingly well-stocked (i.e. not just packaged junk food). Next time they'll know to bring less soft-drinks and more Ethernet/USB/... cables ;) -- [[User:SK|SK]] ([[User talk:SK|talk]])

=== Sysadmin / bofh ===

* Having had to deal with the crumbling of central infrastructure in other events, I really appreciated the stability of the wiki and Engelsystem before and throughout the event. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])

=== Terrain ===

* The western way to quiet camping was not accessible: so narrow that you can only go one way at a time and a huge log being in the way.
* The quiet camping area (Wilson field) turned out to be quite crammed and could be bigger for the next event. I assume this was caused by the scouts taking some of that area due to the unfortunate double booking. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])

=== Ticket and Entrance ===

* Put your feedback here :)

=== Toilets / Showers ===

* The maintenance crew for the toilets/showers did a great job, IMHO, those facilities where usually in very good shape. [[User:Alxndr|Alxndr]] ([[User talk:Alxndr|talk]])
* Easily the best showers of any hacker camp I've been to. -- [[User:Q3k|Q3k]] ([[User talk:Q3k|talk]])
* There should have been showers closer to the quiet camping area. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])

=== Villages ===

* Put your feedback here :)

=== Village tent/furniture rental (Moebelhaus) ===

* Our tent ended up being rotated by pi/2 compared to the map. This ended up totally throwing off what we were planning. We managed regardless, but it'd be great if in the future these maps would actually reflect reality :). -- [[User:Q3k|Q3k]] ([[User talk:Q3k|talk]])
* Our tent was leaking, especially on the connector between modules. -- [[User:Q3k|Q3k]] ([[User talk:Q3k|talk]])

=== Visitors ===

* Most visitors were excellent, as always. But in the next few years when thinking of the next event, we should probably talk about people who I guess must be new to this community, that are incredibly lax with the photo/filming policy, and behave like consumers instead of participants. --[[User:Juerd|Juerd]] ([[User talk:Juerd|talk]]) 20:49, 30 July 2022 (CEST)

=== Volunteering / Angels ===

* Providing the angels with reusable water bottles was a very good idea. [[User:Alxndr|Alxndr]] ([[User talk:Alxndr|talk]])
** Agreed -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])
** +1 - I did use it a lot more than I expected at first, which was probably quite healthy to do -- [[User:SK|SK]] ([[User talk:SK|talk]])

==== Volunteering ====

* Put your feedback here :)

==== Angel Food ====

* My only complaint about Mecklenb[öoøu]rg(er)? is that I still don't know how to spell their name. The food is wonderful, the people are great too! --[[User:Juerd|Juerd]] ([[User talk:Juerd|talk]]) 20:51, 30 July 2022 (CEST)
* The food was great, as always :) -- [[User:Pinoaffe|Pinoaffe]] ([[User talk:Pinoaffe|talk]])
* The angel food was incredible. One of the highlights of this event. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])
* Angel food was mostly great, except for the dinner on day 0 and some dishes otherwise. I'd also have appreciated some sort of meat at least every other day. - [[User:Noor|Noor]] ([[User talk:Noor|talk]])
* As always very good. Only complaint lack of coffee mugs -- [[User:SK|SK]] ([[User talk:SK|talk]])

==== Angel desk and Angel system ====

* I'd really like it if the Engelsystem alert emails contained the actual update in the email content. I'd get spammed with email notifications and if I wanted to actually read the update, I'd have to click through and login to the Engelsystem. I just ended up leaving most of those updates unread throughout the day. - [[User:Noor|Noor]] ([[User talk:Noor|talk]])

==== Heaven ====

* I assume this was just some miscommunication etc, but the outdoor seating was removed too early, esp given covid situation. Otherwise all good. -- [[User:SK|SK]] ([[User talk:SK|talk]])

=== Warehouse ===

* Put your feedback here :)

=== Waste / garbage / trash ===

* Slightly sad that trash was just split into “glass” and “everything else”. It'd be nice if we could at least recycle cardboard/paper! -- [[User:Q3k|Q3k]] ([[User talk:Q3k|talk]])
** Agreed. Throwing everything into the "Other Waste" containers felt wrong. I understand this was on the waste company dropping the ball. Let's make sure this won't happen at the next event. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])
* an awful lot of mate etc bottles ended up in glass trash I think - the later-deployed bottle collection crates helped with that -- [[User:SK|SK]] ([[User talk:SK|talk]])

Feedback

2022-07-30T23:21:43Z

SK: /* Shuttle services (train station, and luggage on site) */

== Posted reviews, media, blogs/vlogs, photo collections, etc ==

Please post these on the [[memories]] page.

== How to post feedback ==

First of all, let's talk about negativity bias a bit. Please make sure to post a fair balance between positive and negative feedback. Feedback about what went wrong is important, but feedback about what went right is even more important. Do share your negativity, but please be kind and remember we're a bunch of volunteers. To thrive and continue to organize these events, we need a certain amount of positivity, preferably a list of the very specific things you loved and would like to experience again!

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== Topics ==

=== General / overall ===

* So happy about the progressive pride and Antifa flag on the tower

=== Arrival / departure / parking / train shuttle / luggage shuttle ===

* I was surprised twice that empty places in the field were apparently claimed. It was not clear to me that people had staked out places already on the wiki. This would seem to me one of The Most Important Things To Tell People: "whatever is on the wiki wins". Or perhaps abolish that, also fine by me, but in any case be very clear about it. I could also do with an AR app or so that shows me what people claimed :-) -- [[User:Ahu|Ahu]] ([[User talk:Ahu|talk]])

* Last day of the event felt kinda "lost" as people were beginning to tear things down from early on in the day well before the closing event. Was bit of a weird mood/feeling. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])

=== Badge ===

* Very well-made and polished badge, really surprised me with the effort put into it and its versatility! [[User:Vurpo|Vurpo]] ([[User talk:Vurpo|talk]]) 21:07, 30 July 2022 (CEST)
* The badge is really nice, but the price of MCH admission is already hindering people we'd like to reach. Perhaps do consider if we really need it. -- [[User:Ahu|Ahu]] ([[User talk:Ahu|talk]])
* Awesome badge, I had a lot of fun tinkering with it during camp and always received helpful advice in the IRC channel. Please keep this project going! [[User:Alxndr|Alxndr]] ([[User talk:Alxndr|talk]])

=== Bars and food court ===

* The capacity of the food-stands was quite low, which resulted in long waiting times. Not good with hungry kids. [[User:Fhp|Fhp]] ([[User talk:Fhp|talk]])
* Agree with above: low capacity for the commercial food stands. They also didn't seem to grasp the concept of 'lunch'. I expected them to be up and running around 13.00, but most of them weren't, resulting in even longer lines at the places that were open earlier. -- [[User:Dany|Dany]] ([[User talk:Dany|talk]])
* The food stands I've visited (Wok, Fries) had poor in-person advertising of everything that they were actually selling and how much it cost. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])
=== Buildup and teardown ===

* As one of the persons who collected what felt like a kilometre of Flatterband at teardown, and removed a pile of pegs it was attached to, I would like to thank those buildup angels who didn't sink the pegs below ground level. You made my job a lot easier! :) [[User:Alxndr|Alxndr]] ([[User talk:Alxndr|talk]])

=== COVID19 precautions ===

* Thanks for caring about ventilation. [https://grafana.mch2022.org/d/q9gZutJ7z/mch2022?orgId=1&viewPanel=30&from=1658492800367&to=1658853839068 CO2 meters] and open sides weren't in place during the opening talk, but this was fixed quickly after and I heard the security team kept an eye on the graphs. --[[User:Juerd|Juerd]] ([[User talk:Juerd|talk]]) 20:43, 30 July 2022 (CEST)
* I liked the availability of masks and self tests for those who forgot to bring their own. I've heard about a few dozen people who got infected, but there were probably more. Thanks to the rapid tests and the heroes who chose to isolate, we may have averted a disastrous superspreading event. --[[User:Juerd|Juerd]] ([[User talk:Juerd|talk]]) 22:02, 30 July 2022 (CEST)
** Very much appreciated the easy availability of masks and rapid tests. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])
* It would have been good to switch from recommended to required mask wearing, at least indoors, once it became clear that "personal responsibility" wasn't working out (even in this community, what a disappointment). [[User:Alxndr|Alxndr]] ([[User talk:Alxndr|talk]])
** Agreeing on all points. Was also a bit disappointed. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])

=== Cohesion ===

* Put your feedback here :)

=== Content / talks / heralds / speakerdesk / AV / recordings ===

* In the end it worked pretty well, but perhaps do ponder having some "known good" presenter laptops/devices available. This has worked very well for other conferences. I used a 200 euro Chromebook with a throwaway google account. -- [[User:Ahu|Ahu]] ([[User talk:Ahu|talk]])
* This is a matter of taste - if you light up the speakers real well, the audience can enjoy a well lighted speaker. But the speaker then often can't see the audience. And during my talks, I love to actually see the audience. This was better in 2017 (at least in Abacus and Battery). -- [[User:Ahu|Ahu]] ([[User talk:Ahu|talk]])
* The speaker desk and the room to work is absolutely ACE. -- [[User:Ahu|Ahu]] ([[User talk:Ahu|talk]])

=== Decoration / design ===

* Well done all around -- [[User:SK|SK]] ([[User talk:SK|talk]]) 01:07, 31 July 2022 (CEST)

=== Family / kids ===

* Put your feedback here :)

=== Finance / coins / payments ===

* Payment by card worked mostly well, other than the supermarket not accepting international cards. My main issue was that the payment system was not well enough explained before the actual event! The blog post and wiki page were pretty long and still left me confused about what the actual payment system on the field was going to end up being. Even a simple "TL;DR we will use regular international payment cards with chip/contactless" would have helped me. [[User:Vurpo|Vurpo]] ([[User talk:Vurpo|talk]]) 21:04, 30 July 2022 (CEST)
* I asked at several bars and the food court where I could get the prepaid card for the MCH payment system, but nobody knew, so I ended up using my regular payment card. [[User:Alxndr|Alxndr]] ([[User talk:Alxndr|talk]]
** The MCH payment system only was operational from about day 3. - [[User:Noor|Noor]]
* I liked the idea of the cashless QR-code, especially the later upgrade to a "hard card" rather than just a stub of thermal paper. Avoids using the big payment providers and frees one of having to carry around cash. However I would've loved seeing more universal acceptance around the event (for example at the supermarket). -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])

=== Harbour / Ferry ===

* Loved the ferry service not as much as a shuttle to the other side of the water way, but as a way to enjoy some quiet time and a light breeze to (mentally) recharge away from the event. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])

=== Information / infodesk / wiki ===

* The infodesk should've been open for longer/as long as possible. (background: I've sat on the NOC helpdesk a bunch of times after the last infodesk angles were gone and dealt with quite a few people that were originally looking for the helpdesk; also being able to respond to infodesk calls for longer). -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])

=== Lounges ===

* Silent lounge was very well done. Nicely decorated and people behaving very considerate (i.e. really tried to be silent). No wonder that it was popular to the point where it could've used more pillows. I was worried that people would start camping inside the lounge (similar things happen at congress for example), but that didn't turn out to be true. I've seen plenty of people taking a nap away from the noise of the event, but thankfully nobody started living inside the lounge. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])
* Besides the silent lounge, I wish there were more places for people, especially for those without a village, to relax in the shade near an Ethernet port and power socket. In the harbour there was the wood table with tent roof and the bar with a couple of seats, but away from power sockets and besides that a few deckchairs. Otherwise mostly hard wooden benches without shade (and power sockets). -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])
** +1 agreed, a few dedicated shaded outdoor spots would've been nice -- [[User:SK|SK]] ([[User talk:SK|talk]])

=== Merchandise ===

* The designs look great, I'm a fan of the asymmetry and the patterned sleeves. Not being able to go a size up or down from what you ordered online was kind of disappointing. Not a major issue for myself but I know of several people who were sad about this. The [[merch exchange]] is not a great solution, but better than nothing. --[[User:Juerd|Juerd]] ([[User talk:Juerd|talk]]) 20:54, 30 July 2022 (CEST)
* Merch was great: Awesome design and high quality. Preodering saved me from having to stay in a (humongous) line in the heat. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])
* I absolutely love the hexagonal patterns and diagrams, but the amount of purple/pink was enough to keep me from buying more than a hat (that, and sizes being too big for me). - [[User:Noor|Noor]] ([[User talk:Noor|talk]])
* Nice merch, despite at first not being a fan of the design. Option to preorder is great. -- [[User:SK|SK]] ([[User talk:SK|talk]])

=== Miscellaneous ===

* Swan family was pretty relaxed with all the people and activity, camping out in the middle of the terrain. - [[User:Noor|Noor]] ([[User talk:Noor|talk]]

=== Music/laser stage / silent disco / Symphony of Fire ===

* Music stage with the flamethrowers, and Symphony of Fire were awesome. - [[User:Noor|Noor]] ([[User talk:Noor|talk]])
* Very well done. Silent disco was a neat solution to the inherent noise conflicts. What exactly is going on could have been a bit more detailed in the schedule, some people were sad they missed interesting things because they didn't realize who was playing. -- [[User:SK|SK]] ([[User talk:SK|talk]])

=== NOC / Network ===

* My SFP+ module got to stay in a datenklo. A++++ would camp again. -- [[User:Q3k|Q3k]] ([[User talk:Q3k|talk]])

=== Off-Site Logistics ===

* Put your feedback here :)

=== On-Site Logistics ===

* Put your feedback here :)

=== Other music/noise (outside the official party area) ===

* Bit torn on this one. It is a party event, but there was way too much loud music post 2 AM. Some of us do need sleep. I know, weak etc. I don't recall seeing a clear policy on what is acceptable, might be behind people feeling ok cranking up the volume after midnight. -- [[User:Ahu|Ahu]] ([[User talk:Ahu|talk]])
* The Retro Arcade area was an absolute nuisance at night. They were blasting the neighbouring villages with shitty music and drunken yelling until 2 or 3 am pretty much every day. I can think of several words for this kind of behaviour, and none of them rhyme with "excellent". [[User:Alxndr|Alxndr]] ([[User talk:Alxndr|talk]])
* It seems like while the official policy was 'no noise after 1AM', it wasn't actively enforced for most cases - and I think that enabled people to also treat it a bit more like a hint rather than a rule? Perhaps for future events we should have numerical 'loudness' scores for all fields, forming a gradient, with a higher score letting people be louder and party later, and actually enforce that. That way loud people can camp in loud villages, while those who need peace and quiet can camp in quiet villages. -- [[User:Q3k|Q3k]] ([[User talk:Q3k|talk]])
** I think this was sort-of implemented based on village input, but the usual event fields are just a bit too small for that to work reliably -- [[User:SK|SK]] ([[User talk:SK|talk]])
* This was both badly communicated (FAQ said "until midnight", apparently the actual rule was from 1 am?) and not usefully enforced. Arcade area right next to family village especially apparently could do whatever they wanted. This makes awesome ideas like silent disco for the "official" music stage sadly quite moot. -- [[User:SK|SK]] ([[User talk:SK|talk]])
* second-hand, but if security (i.e. the contact listed for noise complaints on the front page of this wiki!) really responded to calls about this with "don't call us unless there's an actual emergency" some rules seriously need to be re-established -- [[User:SK|SK]] ([[User talk:SK|talk]])
* at the same time small villages further into the "louder sector" (i.e. away from family/silent camping) were told off for having any music on low volume -- [[User:SK|SK]] ([[User talk:SK|talk]])

=== POC / Dect / Fieldphones ===
* I couldn't find advance information as to when the phone / DECT network would be shut off on the wiki, having such information would be useful (but I may just have been looking in the wrong place) -- [[User:Pinoaffe|Pinoaffe]] ([[User talk:Pinoaffe|talk]])
* DECT coverage was great around the whole camp area. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])
* DECT self-registration worked great (have been used to it for a while now from congress). -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])

=== Parcel deliveries ===
* Many people that ordered things to the field were (seemingly) unaware of how parcel deliveries were supposed to work. This caused unnecessary overhead. -- [[User:Pinoaffe|Pinoaffe]] ([[User talk:Pinoaffe|talk]])
* Collaborating with C3Post may be worthwhile for a next event, though they may not want to deal with large packages. -- [[User:Pinoaffe|Pinoaffe]] ([[User talk:Pinoaffe|talk]])
** Delivering anything of real value sounds like a bad idea (on big events). Besides being way more effort than postcards, parcels (pending delivery) would require (secure-ish) storage space while not out for relivery or if the first delivery attempt failed. We'd also need extra couriers and not hand deliveries out to random passing-by hackers, which also leaks the info on the parcel (such as tracking numbers) to said random hackers. Also some postcards just got lost/didn't get delivered, which would be a real issue with parcels. -- [[User:Trilader|Trilader]] ([[User talk:Trilader|talk]])

=== Press / Media coverage ===

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=== Productiehuis / C3VOC ===
* MOST EXCELLENT WORK!! -- [[User:Ahu|Ahu]] ([[User talk:Ahu|talk]])
* The video-quality of the (few) talks I watched online was good, and I saw some nice fade effects. [[User:Fhp|Fhp]] ([[User talk:Fhp|talk]])
* The hard cutoff of the intro tune annoys me every time. [[User:Fhp|Fhp]] ([[User talk:Fhp|talk]])

=== Projectleiding ===

* Put your feedback here :)

=== ROC ===

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=== Safety / stewards / first aid / Fire Marshalls ===

* Phone numbers or other contact information was hard to find at the beginning of the event, added to the wiki later. --[[User:Juerd|Juerd]] ([[User talk:Juerd|talk]]) 20:47, 30 July 2022 (CEST)
* There were no backup mobile phone numbers (at least none published) for reaching the safety teams in case of infrastructure outage, and they were unreachable when the network was down. --[[User:Juerd|Juerd]] ([[User talk:Juerd|talk]]) 20:47, 30 July 2022 (CEST)
* Security: Bike path was open to all, so technically anyone could get on the terrain without a ticket. Which meant at least a few unwelcome visitors. - [[User:Noor|Noor]] ([[User talk:Noor|talk]])

=== Shuttle services (train station, and luggage on site) ===

* Shuttle drop-off point on field should have been marked somewhere on the maps or wiki, during build-up. I spent forever asking around trying to find the drop-off point, only to find it at heaven. - [[User:Noor|Noor]] ([[User talk:Noor|talk]])
* Shuttle was efficient and worked well when I used it -- [[User:SK|SK]] ([[User talk:SK|talk]])
* Shuttle ticket was a bit last-minute and unclear (i.e. afaik never produced an actual "ticket", which lead to questions - and in the end was more like a donation than a strictly-required ticket) -- [[User:SK|SK]] ([[User talk:SK|talk]])

=== Supermarket ===

* The supermarket was a really valuable addition to the event, and probably saved lots of fuel and time for people. I found the prices acceptable, and the choice of products was surprisingly broad! --[[User:Juerd|Juerd]] ([[User talk:Juerd|talk]]) 20:47, 30 July 2022 (CEST)
* Supermarket was a great thing and I hope we'll have it at the next event. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])
* Supermarket was wonderful, it felt like being back in civilization again and I could just zip inside to get a drink or breakfast for the next morning. - [[User:Noor|Noor]] ([[User talk:Noor|talk]])
* was very useful to have and surprisingly well-stocked (i.e. not just packaged junk food). Next time they'll know to bring less soft-drinks and more Ethernet/USB/... cables ;) -- [[User:SK|SK]] ([[User talk:SK|talk]])

=== Sysadmin / bofh ===

* Having had to deal with the crumbling of central infrastructure in other events, I really appreciated the stability of the wiki and Engelsystem before and throughout the event. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])

=== Terrain ===

* The western way to quiet camping was not accessible: so narrow that you can only go one way at a time and a huge log being in the way.
* The quiet camping area (Wilson field) turned out to be quite crammed and could be bigger for the next event. I assume this was caused by the scouts taking some of that area due to the unfortunate double booking. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])

=== Ticket and Entrance ===

* Put your feedback here :)

=== Toilets / Showers ===

* The maintenance crew for the toilets/showers did a great job, IMHO, those facilities where usually in very good shape. [[User:Alxndr|Alxndr]] ([[User talk:Alxndr|talk]])
* Easily the best showers of any hacker camp I've been to. -- [[User:Q3k|Q3k]] ([[User talk:Q3k|talk]])
* There should have been showers closer to the quiet camping area. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])

=== Villages ===

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=== Village tent/furniture rental (Moebelhaus) ===

* Our tent ended up being rotated by pi/2 compared to the map. This ended up totally throwing off what we were planning. We managed regardless, but it'd be great if in the future these maps would actually reflect reality :). -- [[User:Q3k|Q3k]] ([[User talk:Q3k|talk]])
* Our tent was leaking, especially on the connector between modules. -- [[User:Q3k|Q3k]] ([[User talk:Q3k|talk]])

=== Visitors ===

* Most visitors were excellent, as always. But in the next few years when thinking of the next event, we should probably talk about people who I guess must be new to this community, that are incredibly lax with the photo/filming policy, and behave like consumers instead of participants. --[[User:Juerd|Juerd]] ([[User talk:Juerd|talk]]) 20:49, 30 July 2022 (CEST)

=== Volunteering / Angels ===

* Providing the angels with reusable water bottles was a very good idea. [[User:Alxndr|Alxndr]] ([[User talk:Alxndr|talk]])
** Agreed -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])
** +1 - I did use it a lot more than I expected at first, which was probably quite healthy to do -- [[User:SK|SK]] ([[User talk:SK|talk]])

==== Volunteering ====

* Put your feedback here :)

==== Angel Food ====

* My only complaint about Mecklenb[öoøu]rg(er)? is that I still don't know how to spell their name. The food is wonderful, the people are great too! --[[User:Juerd|Juerd]] ([[User talk:Juerd|talk]]) 20:51, 30 July 2022 (CEST)
* The food was great, as always :) -- [[User:Pinoaffe|Pinoaffe]] ([[User talk:Pinoaffe|talk]])
* The angel food was incredible. One of the highlights of this event. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])
* Angel food was mostly great, except for the dinner on day 0 and some dishes otherwise. I'd also have appreciated some sort of meat at least every other day. - [[User:Noor|Noor]] ([[User talk:Noor|talk]])
* As always very good. Only complaint lack of coffee mugs -- [[User:SK|SK]] ([[User talk:SK|talk]])

==== Angel desk and Angel system ====

* I'd really like it if the Engelsystem alert emails contained the actual update in the email content. I'd get spammed with email notifications and if I wanted to actually read the update, I'd have to click through and login to the Engelsystem. I just ended up leaving most of those updates unread throughout the day. - [[User:Noor|Noor]] ([[User talk:Noor|talk]])

==== Heaven ====

* I assume this was just some miscommunication etc, but the outdoor seating was removed too early, esp given covid situation. Otherwise all good. -- [[User:SK|SK]] ([[User talk:SK|talk]])

=== Warehouse ===

* Put your feedback here :)

=== Waste / garbage / trash ===

* Slightly sad that trash was just split into “glass” and “everything else”. It'd be nice if we could at least recycle cardboard/paper! -- [[User:Q3k|Q3k]] ([[User talk:Q3k|talk]])
** Agreed. Throwing everything into the "Other Waste" containers felt wrong. I understand this was on the waste company dropping the ball. Let's make sure this won't happen at the next event. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])
* an awful lot of mate etc bottles ended up in glass trash I think - the later-deployed bottle collection crates helped with that -- [[User:SK|SK]] ([[User talk:SK|talk]])

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== Topics ==

=== General / overall ===

* So happy about the progressive pride and Antifa flag on the tower

=== Arrival / departure / parking / train shuttle / luggage shuttle ===

* I was surprised twice that empty places in the field were apparently claimed. It was not clear to me that people had staked out places already on the wiki. This would seem to me one of The Most Important Things To Tell People: "whatever is on the wiki wins". Or perhaps abolish that, also fine by me, but in any case be very clear about it. I could also do with an AR app or so that shows me what people claimed :-) -- [[User:Ahu|Ahu]] ([[User talk:Ahu|talk]])

* Last day of the event felt kinda "lost" as people were beginning to tear things down from early on in the day well before the closing event. Was bit of a weird mood/feeling. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])

=== Badge ===

* Very well-made and polished badge, really surprised me with the effort put into it and its versatility! [[User:Vurpo|Vurpo]] ([[User talk:Vurpo|talk]]) 21:07, 30 July 2022 (CEST)
* The badge is really nice, but the price of MCH admission is already hindering people we'd like to reach. Perhaps do consider if we really need it. -- [[User:Ahu|Ahu]] ([[User talk:Ahu|talk]])
* Awesome badge, I had a lot of fun tinkering with it during camp and always received helpful advice in the IRC channel. Please keep this project going! [[User:Alxndr|Alxndr]] ([[User talk:Alxndr|talk]])

=== Bars and food court ===

* The capacity of the food-stands was quite low, which resulted in long waiting times. Not good with hungry kids. [[User:Fhp|Fhp]] ([[User talk:Fhp|talk]])
* Agree with above: low capacity for the commercial food stands. They also didn't seem to grasp the concept of 'lunch'. I expected them to be up and running around 13.00, but most of them weren't, resulting in even longer lines at the places that were open earlier. -- [[User:Dany|Dany]] ([[User talk:Dany|talk]])
* The food stands I've visited (Wok, Fries) had poor in-person advertising of everything that they were actually selling and how much it cost. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])
=== Buildup and teardown ===

* As one of the persons who collected what felt like a kilometre of Flatterband at teardown, and removed a pile of pegs it was attached to, I would like to thank those buildup angels who didn't sink the pegs below ground level. You made my job a lot easier! :) [[User:Alxndr|Alxndr]] ([[User talk:Alxndr|talk]])

=== COVID19 precautions ===

* Thanks for caring about ventilation. [https://grafana.mch2022.org/d/q9gZutJ7z/mch2022?orgId=1&viewPanel=30&from=1658492800367&to=1658853839068 CO2 meters] and open sides weren't in place during the opening talk, but this was fixed quickly after and I heard the security team kept an eye on the graphs. --[[User:Juerd|Juerd]] ([[User talk:Juerd|talk]]) 20:43, 30 July 2022 (CEST)
* I liked the availability of masks and self tests for those who forgot to bring their own. I've heard about a few dozen people who got infected, but there were probably more. Thanks to the rapid tests and the heroes who chose to isolate, we may have averted a disastrous superspreading event. --[[User:Juerd|Juerd]] ([[User talk:Juerd|talk]]) 22:02, 30 July 2022 (CEST)
** Very much appreciated the easy availability of masks and rapid tests. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])
* It would have been good to switch from recommended to required mask wearing, at least indoors, once it became clear that "personal responsibility" wasn't working out (even in this community, what a disappointment). [[User:Alxndr|Alxndr]] ([[User talk:Alxndr|talk]])
** Agreeing on all points. Was also a bit disappointed. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])

=== Cohesion ===

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=== Content / talks / heralds / speakerdesk / AV / recordings ===

* In the end it worked pretty well, but perhaps do ponder having some "known good" presenter laptops/devices available. This has worked very well for other conferences. I used a 200 euro Chromebook with a throwaway google account. -- [[User:Ahu|Ahu]] ([[User talk:Ahu|talk]])
* This is a matter of taste - if you light up the speakers real well, the audience can enjoy a well lighted speaker. But the speaker then often can't see the audience. And during my talks, I love to actually see the audience. This was better in 2017 (at least in Abacus and Battery). -- [[User:Ahu|Ahu]] ([[User talk:Ahu|talk]])
* The speaker desk and the room to work is absolutely ACE. -- [[User:Ahu|Ahu]] ([[User talk:Ahu|talk]])

=== Decoration / design ===

* Well done all around -- [[User:SK|SK]] ([[User talk:SK|talk]]) 01:07, 31 July 2022 (CEST)

=== Family / kids ===

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=== Finance / coins / payments ===

* Payment by card worked mostly well, other than the supermarket not accepting international cards. My main issue was that the payment system was not well enough explained before the actual event! The blog post and wiki page were pretty long and still left me confused about what the actual payment system on the field was going to end up being. Even a simple "TL;DR we will use regular international payment cards with chip/contactless" would have helped me. [[User:Vurpo|Vurpo]] ([[User talk:Vurpo|talk]]) 21:04, 30 July 2022 (CEST)
* I asked at several bars and the food court where I could get the prepaid card for the MCH payment system, but nobody knew, so I ended up using my regular payment card. [[User:Alxndr|Alxndr]] ([[User talk:Alxndr|talk]]
** The MCH payment system only was operational from about day 3. - [[User:Noor|Noor]]
* I liked the idea of the cashless QR-code, especially the later upgrade to a "hard card" rather than just a stub of thermal paper. Avoids using the big payment providers and frees one of having to carry around cash. However I would've loved seeing more universal acceptance around the event (for example at the supermarket). -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])

=== Harbour / Ferry ===

* Loved the ferry service not as much as a shuttle to the other side of the water way, but as a way to enjoy some quiet time and a light breeze to (mentally) recharge away from the event. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])

=== Information / infodesk / wiki ===

* The infodesk should've been open for longer/as long as possible. (background: I've sat on the NOC helpdesk a bunch of times after the last infodesk angles were gone and dealt with quite a few people that were originally looking for the helpdesk; also being able to respond to infodesk calls for longer). -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])

=== Lounges ===

* Silent lounge was very well done. Nicely decorated and people behaving very considerate (i.e. really tried to be silent). No wonder that it was popular to the point where it could've used more pillows. I was worried that people would start camping inside the lounge (similar things happen at congress for example), but that didn't turn out to be true. I've seen plenty of people taking a nap away from the noise of the event, but thankfully nobody started living inside the lounge. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])
* Besides the silent lounge, I wish there were more places for people, especially for those without a village, to relax in the shade near an Ethernet port and power socket. In the harbour there was the wood table with tent roof and the bar with a couple of seats, but away from power sockets and besides that a few deckchairs. Otherwise mostly hard wooden benches without shade (and power sockets). -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])
** +1 agreed, a few dedicated shaded outdoor spots would've been nice -- [[User:SK|SK]] ([[User talk:SK|talk]])

=== Merchandise ===

* The designs look great, I'm a fan of the asymmetry and the patterned sleeves. Not being able to go a size up or down from what you ordered online was kind of disappointing. Not a major issue for myself but I know of several people who were sad about this. The [[merch exchange]] is not a great solution, but better than nothing. --[[User:Juerd|Juerd]] ([[User talk:Juerd|talk]]) 20:54, 30 July 2022 (CEST)
* Merch was great: Awesome design and high quality. Preodering saved me from having to stay in a (humongous) line in the heat. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])
* I absolutely love the hexagonal patterns and diagrams, but the amount of purple/pink was enough to keep me from buying more than a hat (that, and sizes being too big for me). - [[User:Noor|Noor]] ([[User talk:Noor|talk]])
* Nice merch, despite at first not being a fan of the design. Option to preorder is great. -- [[User:SK|SK]] ([[User talk:SK|talk]])

=== Miscellaneous ===

* Swan family was pretty relaxed with all the people and activity, camping out in the middle of the terrain. - [[User:Noor|Noor]] ([[User talk:Noor|talk]]

=== Music/laser stage / silent disco / Symphony of Fire ===

* Music stage with the flamethrowers, and Symphony of Fire were awesome. - [[User:Noor|Noor]] ([[User talk:Noor|talk]])
* Very well done. Silent disco was a neat solution to the inherent noise conflicts. What exactly is going on could have been a bit more detailed in the schedule, some people were sad they missed interesting things because they didn't realize who was playing. -- [[User:SK|SK]] ([[User talk:SK|talk]])

=== NOC / Network ===

* My SFP+ module got to stay in a datenklo. A++++ would camp again. -- [[User:Q3k|Q3k]] ([[User talk:Q3k|talk]])

=== Off-Site Logistics ===

* Put your feedback here :)

=== On-Site Logistics ===

* Put your feedback here :)

=== Other music/noise (outside the official party area) ===

* Bit torn on this one. It is a party event, but there was way too much loud music post 2 AM. Some of us do need sleep. I know, weak etc. I don't recall seeing a clear policy on what is acceptable, might be behind people feeling ok cranking up the volume after midnight. -- [[User:Ahu|Ahu]] ([[User talk:Ahu|talk]])
* The Retro Arcade area was an absolute nuisance at night. They were blasting the neighbouring villages with shitty music and drunken yelling until 2 or 3 am pretty much every day. I can think of several words for this kind of behaviour, and none of them rhyme with "excellent". [[User:Alxndr|Alxndr]] ([[User talk:Alxndr|talk]])
* It seems like while the official policy was 'no noise after 1AM', it wasn't actively enforced for most cases - and I think that enabled people to also treat it a bit more like a hint rather than a rule? Perhaps for future events we should have numerical 'loudness' scores for all fields, forming a gradient, with a higher score letting people be louder and party later, and actually enforce that. That way loud people can camp in loud villages, while those who need peace and quiet can camp in quiet villages. -- [[User:Q3k|Q3k]] ([[User talk:Q3k|talk]])
** I think this was sort-of implemented based on village input, but the usual event fields are just a bit too small for that to work reliably -- [[User:SK|SK]] ([[User talk:SK|talk]])
* This was both badly communicated (FAQ said "until midnight", apparently the actual rule was from 1 am?) and not usefully enforced. Arcade area right next to family village especially apparently could do whatever they wanted. This makes awesome ideas like silent disco for the "official" music stage sadly quite moot. -- [[User:SK|SK]] ([[User talk:SK|talk]])
* second-hand, but if security (i.e. the contact listed for noise complaints on the front page of this wiki!) really responded to calls about this with "don't call us unless there's an actual emergency" some rules seriously need to be re-established -- [[User:SK|SK]] ([[User talk:SK|talk]])
* at the same time small villages further into the "louder sector" (i.e. away from family/silent camping) were told off for having any music on low volume -- [[User:SK|SK]] ([[User talk:SK|talk]])

=== POC / Dect / Fieldphones ===
* I couldn't find advance information as to when the phone / DECT network would be shut off on the wiki, having such information would be useful (but I may just have been looking in the wrong place) -- [[User:Pinoaffe|Pinoaffe]] ([[User talk:Pinoaffe|talk]])
* DECT coverage was great around the whole camp area. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])
* DECT self-registration worked great (have been used to it for a while now from congress). -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])

=== Parcel deliveries ===
* Many people that ordered things to the field were (seemingly) unaware of how parcel deliveries were supposed to work. This caused unnecessary overhead. -- [[User:Pinoaffe|Pinoaffe]] ([[User talk:Pinoaffe|talk]])
* Collaborating with C3Post may be worthwhile for a next event, though they may not want to deal with large packages. -- [[User:Pinoaffe|Pinoaffe]] ([[User talk:Pinoaffe|talk]])
** Delivering anything of real value sounds like a bad idea (on big events). Besides being way more effort than postcards, parcels (pending delivery) would require (secure-ish) storage space while not out for relivery or if the first delivery attempt failed. We'd also need extra couriers and not hand deliveries out to random passing-by hackers, which also leaks the info on the parcel (such as tracking numbers) to said random hackers. Also some postcards just got lost/didn't get delivered, which would be a real issue with parcels. -- [[User:Trilader|Trilader]] ([[User talk:Trilader|talk]])

=== Press / Media coverage ===

* Put your feedback here :)

=== Productiehuis / C3VOC ===
* MOST EXCELLENT WORK!! -- [[User:Ahu|Ahu]] ([[User talk:Ahu|talk]])
* The video-quality of the (few) talks I watched online was good, and I saw some nice fade effects. [[User:Fhp|Fhp]] ([[User talk:Fhp|talk]])
* The hard cutoff of the intro tune annoys me every time. [[User:Fhp|Fhp]] ([[User talk:Fhp|talk]])

=== Projectleiding ===

* Put your feedback here :)

=== ROC ===

* Put your feedback here :)

=== Safety / stewards / first aid / Fire Marshalls ===

* Phone numbers or other contact information was hard to find at the beginning of the event, added to the wiki later. --[[User:Juerd|Juerd]] ([[User talk:Juerd|talk]]) 20:47, 30 July 2022 (CEST)
* There were no backup mobile phone numbers (at least none published) for reaching the safety teams in case of infrastructure outage, and they were unreachable when the network was down. --[[User:Juerd|Juerd]] ([[User talk:Juerd|talk]]) 20:47, 30 July 2022 (CEST)
* Security: Bike path was open to all, so technically anyone could get on the terrain without a ticket. Which meant at least a few unwelcome visitors. - [[User:Noor|Noor]] ([[User talk:Noor|talk]])

=== Shuttle services (train station, and luggage on site) ===

* Shuttle drop-off point on field should have been marked somewhere on the maps or wiki, during build-up. I spent forever asking around trying to find the drop-off point, only to find it at heaven. - [[User:Noor|Noor]] ([[User talk:Noor|talk]])

=== Supermarket ===

* The supermarket was a really valuable addition to the event, and probably saved lots of fuel and time for people. I found the prices acceptable, and the choice of products was surprisingly broad! --[[User:Juerd|Juerd]] ([[User talk:Juerd|talk]]) 20:47, 30 July 2022 (CEST)
* Supermarket was a great thing and I hope we'll have it at the next event. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])
* Supermarket was wonderful, it felt like being back in civilization again and I could just zip inside to get a drink or breakfast for the next morning. - [[User:Noor|Noor]] ([[User talk:Noor|talk]])
* was very useful to have and surprisingly well-stocked (i.e. not just packaged junk food). Next time they'll know to bring less soft-drinks and more Ethernet/USB/... cables ;) -- [[User:SK|SK]] ([[User talk:SK|talk]])

=== Sysadmin / bofh ===

* Having had to deal with the crumbling of central infrastructure in other events, I really appreciated the stability of the wiki and Engelsystem before and throughout the event. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])

=== Terrain ===

* The western way to quiet camping was not accessible: so narrow that you can only go one way at a time and a huge log being in the way.

=== Ticket and Entrance ===

* Put your feedback here :)

=== Toilets / Showers ===

* The maintenance crew for the toilets/showers did a great job, IMHO, those facilities where usually in very good shape. [[User:Alxndr|Alxndr]] ([[User talk:Alxndr|talk]])
* Easily the best showers of any hacker camp I've been to. -- [[User:Q3k|Q3k]] ([[User talk:Q3k|talk]])
* There should have been showers closer to the quiet camping area. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])

=== Villages ===

* Put your feedback here :)

=== Village tent/furniture rental (Moebelhaus) ===

* Our tent ended up being rotated by pi/2 compared to the map. This ended up totally throwing off what we were planning. We managed regardless, but it'd be great if in the future these maps would actually reflect reality :). -- [[User:Q3k|Q3k]] ([[User talk:Q3k|talk]])
* Our tent was leaking, especially on the connector between modules. -- [[User:Q3k|Q3k]] ([[User talk:Q3k|talk]])

=== Visitors ===

* Most visitors were excellent, as always. But in the next few years when thinking of the next event, we should probably talk about people who I guess must be new to this community, that are incredibly lax with the photo/filming policy, and behave like consumers instead of participants. --[[User:Juerd|Juerd]] ([[User talk:Juerd|talk]]) 20:49, 30 July 2022 (CEST)

=== Volunteering / Angels ===

* Providing the angels with reusable water bottles was a very good idea. [[User:Alxndr|Alxndr]] ([[User talk:Alxndr|talk]])
** Agreed -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])
** +1 - I did use it a lot more than I expected at first, which was probably quite healthy to do -- [[User:SK|SK]] ([[User talk:SK|talk]])

==== Volunteering ====

* Put your feedback here :)

==== Angel Food ====

* My only complaint about Mecklenb[öoøu]rg(er)? is that I still don't know how to spell their name. The food is wonderful, the people are great too! --[[User:Juerd|Juerd]] ([[User talk:Juerd|talk]]) 20:51, 30 July 2022 (CEST)
* The food was great, as always :) -- [[User:Pinoaffe|Pinoaffe]] ([[User talk:Pinoaffe|talk]])
* The angel food was incredible. One of the highlights of this event. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])
* Angel food was mostly great, except for the dinner on day 0 and some dishes otherwise. I'd also have appreciated some sort of meat at least every other day. - [[User:Noor|Noor]] ([[User talk:Noor|talk]])
* As always very good. Only complaint lack of coffee mugs -- [[User:SK|SK]] ([[User talk:SK|talk]])

==== Angel desk and Angel system ====

* I'd really like it if the Engelsystem alert emails contained the actual update in the email content. I'd get spammed with email notifications and if I wanted to actually read the update, I'd have to click through and login to the Engelsystem. I just ended up leaving most of those updates unread throughout the day. - [[User:Noor|Noor]] ([[User talk:Noor|talk]])

==== Heaven ====

* I assume this was just some miscommunication etc, but the outdoor seating was removed too early, esp given covid situation. Otherwise all good. -- [[User:SK|SK]] ([[User talk:SK|talk]])

=== Warehouse ===

* Put your feedback here :)

=== Waste / garbage / trash ===

* Slightly sad that trash was just split into “glass” and “everything else”. It'd be nice if we could at least recycle cardboard/paper! -- [[User:Q3k|Q3k]] ([[User talk:Q3k|talk]])
** Agreed. Throwing everything into the "Other Waste" containers felt wrong. I understand this was on the waste company dropping the ball. Let's make sure this won't happen at the next event. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])
* an awful lot of mate etc bottles ended up in glass trash I think - the later-deployed bottle collection crates helped with that -- [[User:SK|SK]] ([[User talk:SK|talk]])

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== Topics ==

=== General / overall ===

* So happy about the progressive pride and Antifa flag on the tower

=== Arrival / departure / parking / train shuttle / luggage shuttle ===

* I was surprised twice that empty places in the field were apparently claimed. It was not clear to me that people had staked out places already on the wiki. This would seem to me one of The Most Important Things To Tell People: "whatever is on the wiki wins". Or perhaps abolish that, also fine by me, but in any case be very clear about it. I could also do with an AR app or so that shows me what people claimed :-) -- [[User:Ahu|Ahu]] ([[User talk:Ahu|talk]])

* Last day of the event felt kinda "lost" as people were beginning to tear things down from early on in the day well before the closing event. Was bit of a weird mood/feeling. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])

=== Badge ===

* Very well-made and polished badge, really surprised me with the effort put into it and its versatility! [[User:Vurpo|Vurpo]] ([[User talk:Vurpo|talk]]) 21:07, 30 July 2022 (CEST)
* The badge is really nice, but the price of MCH admission is already hindering people we'd like to reach. Perhaps do consider if we really need it. -- [[User:Ahu|Ahu]] ([[User talk:Ahu|talk]])
* Awesome badge, I had a lot of fun tinkering with it during camp and always received helpful advice in the IRC channel. Please keep this project going! [[User:Alxndr|Alxndr]] ([[User talk:Alxndr|talk]])

=== Bars and food court ===

* The capacity of the food-stands was quite low, which resulted in long waiting times. Not good with hungry kids. [[User:Fhp|Fhp]] ([[User talk:Fhp|talk]])
* Agree with above: low capacity for the commercial food stands. They also didn't seem to grasp the concept of 'lunch'. I expected them to be up and running around 13.00, but most of them weren't, resulting in even longer lines at the places that were open earlier. -- [[User:Dany|Dany]] ([[User talk:Dany|talk]])
* The food stands I've visited (Wok, Fries) had poor in-person advertising of everything that they were actually selling and how much it cost. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])
=== Buildup and teardown ===

* As one of the persons who collected what felt like a kilometre of Flatterband at teardown, and removed a pile of pegs it was attached to, I would like to thank those buildup angels who didn't sink the pegs below ground level. You made my job a lot easier! :) [[User:Alxndr|Alxndr]] ([[User talk:Alxndr|talk]])

=== COVID19 precautions ===

* Thanks for caring about ventilation. [https://grafana.mch2022.org/d/q9gZutJ7z/mch2022?orgId=1&viewPanel=30&from=1658492800367&to=1658853839068 CO2 meters] and open sides weren't in place during the opening talk, but this was fixed quickly after and I heard the security team kept an eye on the graphs. --[[User:Juerd|Juerd]] ([[User talk:Juerd|talk]]) 20:43, 30 July 2022 (CEST)
* I liked the availability of masks and self tests for those who forgot to bring their own. I've heard about a few dozen people who got infected, but there were probably more. Thanks to the rapid tests and the heroes who chose to isolate, we may have averted a disastrous superspreading event. --[[User:Juerd|Juerd]] ([[User talk:Juerd|talk]]) 22:02, 30 July 2022 (CEST)
** Very much appreciated the easy availability of masks and rapid tests. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])
* It would have been good to switch from recommended to required mask wearing, at least indoors, once it became clear that "personal responsibility" wasn't working out (even in this community, what a disappointment). [[User:Alxndr|Alxndr]] ([[User talk:Alxndr|talk]])
** Agreeing on all points. Was also a bit disappointed. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])

=== Cohesion ===

* Put your feedback here :)

=== Content / talks / heralds / speakerdesk / AV / recordings ===

* In the end it worked pretty well, but perhaps do ponder having some "known good" presenter laptops/devices available. This has worked very well for other conferences. I used a 200 euro Chromebook with a throwaway google account. -- [[User:Ahu|Ahu]] ([[User talk:Ahu|talk]])
* This is a matter of taste - if you light up the speakers real well, the audience can enjoy a well lighted speaker. But the speaker then often can't see the audience. And during my talks, I love to actually see the audience. This was better in 2017 (at least in Abacus and Battery). -- [[User:Ahu|Ahu]] ([[User talk:Ahu|talk]])
* The speaker desk and the room to work is absolutely ACE. -- [[User:Ahu|Ahu]] ([[User talk:Ahu|talk]])

=== Decoration / design ===

* Well done all around -- [[User:SK|SK]] ([[User talk:SK|talk]]) 01:07, 31 July 2022 (CEST)

=== Family / kids ===

* Put your feedback here :)

=== Finance / coins / payments ===

* Payment by card worked mostly well, other than the supermarket not accepting international cards. My main issue was that the payment system was not well enough explained before the actual event! The blog post and wiki page were pretty long and still left me confused about what the actual payment system on the field was going to end up being. Even a simple "TL;DR we will use regular international payment cards with chip/contactless" would have helped me. [[User:Vurpo|Vurpo]] ([[User talk:Vurpo|talk]]) 21:04, 30 July 2022 (CEST)
* I asked at several bars and the food court where I could get the prepaid card for the MCH payment system, but nobody knew, so I ended up using my regular payment card. [[User:Alxndr|Alxndr]] ([[User talk:Alxndr|talk]]
** The MCH payment system only was operational from about day 3. - [[User:Noor|Noor]]
* I liked the idea of the cashless QR-code, especially the later upgrade to a "hard card" rather than just a stub of thermal paper. Avoids using the big payment providers and frees one of having to carry around cash. However I would've loved seeing more universal acceptance around the event (for example at the supermarket). -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])

=== Harbour / Ferry ===

* Loved the ferry service not as much as a shuttle to the other side of the water way, but as a way to enjoy some quiet time and a light breeze to (mentally) recharge away from the event. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])

=== Information / infodesk / wiki ===

* The infodesk should've been open for longer/as long as possible. (background: I've sat on the NOC helpdesk a bunch of times after the last infodesk angles were gone and dealt with quite a few people that were originally looking for the helpdesk; also being able to respond to infodesk calls for longer). -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])

=== Lounges ===

* Silent lounge was very well done. Nicely decorated and people behaving very considerate (i.e. really tried to be silent). No wonder that it was popular to the point where it could've used more pillows. I was worried that people would start camping inside the lounge (similar things happen at congress for example), but that didn't turn out to be true. I've seen plenty of people taking a nap away from the noise of the event, but thankfully nobody started living inside the lounge. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])
* Besides the silent lounge, I wish there were more places for people, especially for those without a village, to relax in the shade near an Ethernet port and power socket. In the harbour there was the wood table with tent roof and the bar with a couple of seats, but away from power sockets and besides that a few deckchairs. Otherwise mostly hard wooden benches without shade (and power sockets). -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])
** +1 agreed, a few dedicated shaded outdoor spots would've been nice -- [[User:SK|SK]] ([[User talk:SK|talk]])

=== Merchandise ===

* The designs look great, I'm a fan of the asymmetry and the patterned sleeves. Not being able to go a size up or down from what you ordered online was kind of disappointing. Not a major issue for myself but I know of several people who were sad about this. The [[merch exchange]] is not a great solution, but better than nothing. --[[User:Juerd|Juerd]] ([[User talk:Juerd|talk]]) 20:54, 30 July 2022 (CEST)
* Merch was great: Awesome design and high quality. Preodering saved me from having to stay in a (humongous) line in the heat. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])
* I absolutely love the hexagonal patterns and diagrams, but the amount of purple/pink was enough to keep me from buying more than a hat (that, and sizes being too big for me). - [[User:Noor|Noor]] ([[User talk:Noor|talk]])
* Nice merch, despite at first not being a fan of the design. Option to preorder is great. -- [[User:SK|SK]] ([[User talk:SK|talk]])

=== Miscellaneous ===

* Swan family was pretty relaxed with all the people and activity, camping out in the middle of the terrain. - [[User:Noor|Noor]] ([[User talk:Noor|talk]]

=== Music/laser stage / silent disco / Symphony of Fire ===

* Music stage with the flamethrowers, and Symphony of Fire were awesome. - [[User:Noor|Noor]] ([[User talk:Noor|talk]])
* Very well done. Silent disco was a neat solution to the inherent noise conflicts. What exactly is going on could have been a bit more detailed in the schedule, some people were sad they missed interesting things because they didn't realize who was playing. -- [[User:SK|SK]] ([[User talk:SK|talk]])

=== NOC / Network ===

* My SFP+ module got to stay in a datenklo. A++++ would camp again. -- [[User:Q3k|Q3k]] ([[User talk:Q3k|talk]])

=== Off-Site Logistics ===

* Put your feedback here :)

=== On-Site Logistics ===

* Put your feedback here :)

=== Other music/noise (outside the official party area) ===

* Bit torn on this one. It is a party event, but there was way too much loud music post 2 AM. Some of us do need sleep. I know, weak etc. I don't recall seeing a clear policy on what is acceptable, might be behind people feeling ok cranking up the volume after midnight. -- [[User:Ahu|Ahu]] ([[User talk:Ahu|talk]])
* The Retro Arcade area was an absolute nuisance at night. They were blasting the neighbouring villages with shitty music and drunken yelling until 2 or 3 am pretty much every day. I can think of several words for this kind of behaviour, and none of them rhyme with "excellent". [[User:Alxndr|Alxndr]] ([[User talk:Alxndr|talk]])
* It seems like while the official policy was 'no noise after 1AM', it wasn't actively enforced for most cases - and I think that enabled people to also treat it a bit more like a hint rather than a rule? Perhaps for future events we should have numerical 'loudness' scores for all fields, forming a gradient, with a higher score letting people be louder and party later, and actually enforce that. That way loud people can camp in loud villages, while those who need peace and quiet can camp in quiet villages. -- [[User:Q3k|Q3k]] ([[User talk:Q3k|talk]])
** I think this was sort-of implemented based on village input, but the usual event fields are just a bit too small for that to work reliably -- [[User:SK|SK]] ([[User talk:SK|talk]])
* This was both badly communicated (FAQ said "until midnight", apparently the actual rule was from 1 am?) and not usefully enforced. Arcade area right next to family village especially apparently could do whatever they wanted. This makes awesome ideas like silent disco for the "official" music stage sadly quite moot. -- [[User:SK|SK]] ([[User talk:SK|talk]])
* second-hand, but if security (i.e. the contact listed for noise complaints on the front page of this wiki!) really responded to calls about this with "don't call us unless there's an actual emergency" some rules seriously need to be re-established -- [[User:SK|SK]] ([[User talk:SK|talk]])
* at the same time small villages further into the "louder sector" (i.e. away from family/silent camping) were told off for having any music on low volume -- [[User:SK|SK]] ([[User talk:SK|talk]])

=== POC / Dect / Fieldphones ===
* I couldn't find advance information as to when the phone / DECT network would be shut off on the wiki, having such information would be useful (but I may just have been looking in the wrong place) -- [[User:Pinoaffe|Pinoaffe]] ([[User talk:Pinoaffe|talk]])
* DECT coverage was great around the whole camp area. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])
* DECT self-registration worked great (have been used to it for a while now from congress). -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])

=== Parcel deliveries ===
* Many people that ordered things to the field were (seemingly) unaware of how parcel deliveries were supposed to work. This caused unnecessary overhead. -- [[User:Pinoaffe|Pinoaffe]] ([[User talk:Pinoaffe|talk]])
* Collaborating with C3Post may be worthwhile for a next event, though they may not want to deal with large packages. -- [[User:Pinoaffe|Pinoaffe]] ([[User talk:Pinoaffe|talk]])
** Delivering anything of real value sounds like a bad idea (on big events). Besides being way more effort than postcards, parcels (pending delivery) would require (secure-ish) storage space while not out for relivery or if the first delivery attempt failed. We'd also need extra couriers and not hand deliveries out to random passing-by hackers, which also leaks the info on the parcel (such as tracking numbers) to said random hackers. Also some postcards just got lost/didn't get delivered, which would be a real issue with parcels. -- [[User:Trilader|Trilader]] ([[User talk:Trilader|talk]])

=== Press / Media coverage ===

* Put your feedback here :)

=== Productiehuis / C3VOC ===
* MOST EXCELLENT WORK!! -- [[User:Ahu|Ahu]] ([[User talk:Ahu|talk]])
* The video-quality of the (few) talks I watched online was good, and I saw some nice fade effects. [[User:Fhp|Fhp]] ([[User talk:Fhp|talk]])
* The hard cutoff of the intro tune annoys me every time. [[User:Fhp|Fhp]] ([[User talk:Fhp|talk]])

=== Projectleiding ===

* Put your feedback here :)

=== ROC ===

* Put your feedback here :)

=== Safety / stewards / first aid / Fire Marshalls ===

* Phone numbers or other contact information was hard to find at the beginning of the event, added to the wiki later. --[[User:Juerd|Juerd]] ([[User talk:Juerd|talk]]) 20:47, 30 July 2022 (CEST)
* There were no backup mobile phone numbers (at least none published) for reaching the safety teams in case of infrastructure outage, and they were unreachable when the network was down. --[[User:Juerd|Juerd]] ([[User talk:Juerd|talk]]) 20:47, 30 July 2022 (CEST)
* Security: Bike path was open to all, so technically anyone could get on the terrain without a ticket. Which meant at least a few unwelcome visitors. - [[User:Noor|Noor]] ([[User talk:Noor|talk]])

=== Shuttle services (train station, and luggage on site) ===

* Shuttle drop-off point on field should have been marked somewhere on the maps or wiki, during build-up. I spent forever asking around trying to find the drop-off point, only to find it at heaven. - [[User:Noor|Noor]] ([[User talk:Noor|talk]])

=== Supermarket ===

* The supermarket was a really valuable addition to the event, and probably saved lots of fuel and time for people. I found the prices acceptable, and the choice of products was surprisingly broad! --[[User:Juerd|Juerd]] ([[User talk:Juerd|talk]]) 20:47, 30 July 2022 (CEST)
* Supermarket was a great thing and I hope we'll have it at the next event. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])
* Supermarket was wonderful, it felt like being back in civilization again and I could just zip inside to get a drink or breakfast for the next morning. - [[User:Noor|Noor]] ([[User talk:Noor|talk]])
* was very useful to have and surprisingly well-stocked (i.e. not just packaged junk food). Next time they'll know to bring less soft-drinks and more Ethernet/USB/... cables ;) -- [[User:SK|SK]] ([[User talk:SK|talk]])

=== Sysadmin / bofh ===

* Having had to deal with the crumbling of central infrastructure in other events, I really appreciated the stability of the wiki and Engelsystem before and throughout the event. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])

=== Terrain ===

* The western way to quiet camping was not accessible: so narrow that you can only go one way at a time and a huge log being in the way.

=== Ticket and Entrance ===

* Put your feedback here :)

=== Toilets / Showers ===

* The maintenance crew for the toilets/showers did a great job, IMHO, those facilities where usually in very good shape. [[User:Alxndr|Alxndr]] ([[User talk:Alxndr|talk]])
* Easily the best showers of any hacker camp I've been to. -- [[User:Q3k|Q3k]] ([[User talk:Q3k|talk]])
* There should have been showers closer to the quiet camping area. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])

=== Villages ===

* Put your feedback here :)

=== Village tent/furniture rental (Moebelhaus) ===

* Our tent ended up being rotated by pi/2 compared to the map. This ended up totally throwing off what we were planning. We managed regardless, but it'd be great if in the future these maps would actually reflect reality :). -- [[User:Q3k|Q3k]] ([[User talk:Q3k|talk]])
* Our tent was leaking, especially on the connector between modules. -- [[User:Q3k|Q3k]] ([[User talk:Q3k|talk]])

=== Visitors ===

* Most visitors were excellent, as always. But in the next few years when thinking of the next event, we should probably talk about people who I guess must be new to this community, that are incredibly lax with the photo/filming policy, and behave like consumers instead of participants. --[[User:Juerd|Juerd]] ([[User talk:Juerd|talk]]) 20:49, 30 July 2022 (CEST)

=== Volunteering / Angels ===

* Providing the angels with reusable water bottles was a very good idea. [[User:Alxndr|Alxndr]] ([[User talk:Alxndr|talk]])
** Agreed -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])
** +1 - I did use it a lot more than I expected at first, which was probably quite healthy to do -- [[User:SK|SK]] ([[User talk:SK|talk]])

==== Volunteering ====

* Put your feedback here :)

==== Angel Food ====

* My only complaint about Mecklenb[öoøu]rg(er)? is that I still don't know how to spell their name. The food is wonderful, the people are great too! --[[User:Juerd|Juerd]] ([[User talk:Juerd|talk]]) 20:51, 30 July 2022 (CEST)
* The food was great, as always :) -- [[User:Pinoaffe|Pinoaffe]] ([[User talk:Pinoaffe|talk]])
* The angel food was incredible. One of the highlights of this event. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])
* Angel food was mostly great, except for the dinner on day 0 and some dishes otherwise. I'd also have appreciated some sort of meat at least every other day. - [[User:Noor|Noor]] ([[User talk:Noor|talk]])
* As always very good. Only complaint lack of coffee mugs -- [[User:SK|SK]] ([[User talk:SK|talk]])

==== Angel desk and Angel system ====

* I'd really like it if the Engelsystem alert emails contained the actual update in the email content. I'd get spammed with email notifications and if I wanted to actually read the update, I'd have to click through and login to the Engelsystem. I just ended up leaving most of those updates unread throughout the day. - [[User:Noor|Noor]] ([[User talk:Noor|talk]])

==== Heaven ====

* Put your feedback here :)

=== Warehouse ===

* Put your feedback here :)

=== Waste / garbage / trash ===

* Slightly sad that trash was just split into “glass” and “everything else”. It'd be nice if we could at least recycle cardboard/paper! -- [[User:Q3k|Q3k]] ([[User talk:Q3k|talk]])
** Agreed. Throwing everything into the "Other Waste" containers felt wrong. I understand this was on the waste company dropping the ball. Let's make sure this won't happen at the next event. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])
* an awful lot of mate etc bottles ended up in glass trash I think - the later-deployed bottle collection crates helped with that -- [[User:SK|SK]] ([[User talk:SK|talk]])

Feedback

2022-07-30T23:14:26Z

SK: /* Angel Food */

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== Topics ==

=== General / overall ===

* So happy about the progressive pride and Antifa flag on the tower

=== Arrival / departure / parking / train shuttle / luggage shuttle ===

* I was surprised twice that empty places in the field were apparently claimed. It was not clear to me that people had staked out places already on the wiki. This would seem to me one of The Most Important Things To Tell People: "whatever is on the wiki wins". Or perhaps abolish that, also fine by me, but in any case be very clear about it. I could also do with an AR app or so that shows me what people claimed :-) -- [[User:Ahu|Ahu]] ([[User talk:Ahu|talk]])

* Last day of the event felt kinda "lost" as people were beginning to tear things down from early on in the day well before the closing event. Was bit of a weird mood/feeling. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])

=== Badge ===

* Very well-made and polished badge, really surprised me with the effort put into it and its versatility! [[User:Vurpo|Vurpo]] ([[User talk:Vurpo|talk]]) 21:07, 30 July 2022 (CEST)
* The badge is really nice, but the price of MCH admission is already hindering people we'd like to reach. Perhaps do consider if we really need it. -- [[User:Ahu|Ahu]] ([[User talk:Ahu|talk]])
* Awesome badge, I had a lot of fun tinkering with it during camp and always received helpful advice in the IRC channel. Please keep this project going! [[User:Alxndr|Alxndr]] ([[User talk:Alxndr|talk]])

=== Bars and food court ===

* The capacity of the food-stands was quite low, which resulted in long waiting times. Not good with hungry kids. [[User:Fhp|Fhp]] ([[User talk:Fhp|talk]])
* Agree with above: low capacity for the commercial food stands. They also didn't seem to grasp the concept of 'lunch'. I expected them to be up and running around 13.00, but most of them weren't, resulting in even longer lines at the places that were open earlier. -- [[User:Dany|Dany]] ([[User talk:Dany|talk]])
* The food stands I've visited (Wok, Fries) had poor in-person advertising of everything that they were actually selling and how much it cost. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])
=== Buildup and teardown ===

* As one of the persons who collected what felt like a kilometre of Flatterband at teardown, and removed a pile of pegs it was attached to, I would like to thank those buildup angels who didn't sink the pegs below ground level. You made my job a lot easier! :) [[User:Alxndr|Alxndr]] ([[User talk:Alxndr|talk]])

=== COVID19 precautions ===

* Thanks for caring about ventilation. [https://grafana.mch2022.org/d/q9gZutJ7z/mch2022?orgId=1&viewPanel=30&from=1658492800367&to=1658853839068 CO2 meters] and open sides weren't in place during the opening talk, but this was fixed quickly after and I heard the security team kept an eye on the graphs. --[[User:Juerd|Juerd]] ([[User talk:Juerd|talk]]) 20:43, 30 July 2022 (CEST)
* I liked the availability of masks and self tests for those who forgot to bring their own. I've heard about a few dozen people who got infected, but there were probably more. Thanks to the rapid tests and the heroes who chose to isolate, we may have averted a disastrous superspreading event. --[[User:Juerd|Juerd]] ([[User talk:Juerd|talk]]) 22:02, 30 July 2022 (CEST)
** Very much appreciated the easy availability of masks and rapid tests. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])
* It would have been good to switch from recommended to required mask wearing, at least indoors, once it became clear that "personal responsibility" wasn't working out (even in this community, what a disappointment). [[User:Alxndr|Alxndr]] ([[User talk:Alxndr|talk]])
** Agreeing on all points. Was also a bit disappointed. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])

=== Cohesion ===

* Put your feedback here :)

=== Content / talks / heralds / speakerdesk / AV / recordings ===

* In the end it worked pretty well, but perhaps do ponder having some "known good" presenter laptops/devices available. This has worked very well for other conferences. I used a 200 euro Chromebook with a throwaway google account. -- [[User:Ahu|Ahu]] ([[User talk:Ahu|talk]])
* This is a matter of taste - if you light up the speakers real well, the audience can enjoy a well lighted speaker. But the speaker then often can't see the audience. And during my talks, I love to actually see the audience. This was better in 2017 (at least in Abacus and Battery). -- [[User:Ahu|Ahu]] ([[User talk:Ahu|talk]])
* The speaker desk and the room to work is absolutely ACE. -- [[User:Ahu|Ahu]] ([[User talk:Ahu|talk]])

=== Decoration / design ===

* Well done all around -- [[User:SK|SK]] ([[User talk:SK|talk]]) 01:07, 31 July 2022 (CEST)

=== Family / kids ===

* Put your feedback here :)

=== Finance / coins / payments ===

* Payment by card worked mostly well, other than the supermarket not accepting international cards. My main issue was that the payment system was not well enough explained before the actual event! The blog post and wiki page were pretty long and still left me confused about what the actual payment system on the field was going to end up being. Even a simple "TL;DR we will use regular international payment cards with chip/contactless" would have helped me. [[User:Vurpo|Vurpo]] ([[User talk:Vurpo|talk]]) 21:04, 30 July 2022 (CEST)
* I asked at several bars and the food court where I could get the prepaid card for the MCH payment system, but nobody knew, so I ended up using my regular payment card. [[User:Alxndr|Alxndr]] ([[User talk:Alxndr|talk]]
** The MCH payment system only was operational from about day 3. - [[User:Noor|Noor]]
* I liked the idea of the cashless QR-code, especially the later upgrade to a "hard card" rather than just a stub of thermal paper. Avoids using the big payment providers and frees one of having to carry around cash. However I would've loved seeing more universal acceptance around the event (for example at the supermarket). -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])

=== Harbour / Ferry ===

* Loved the ferry service not as much as a shuttle to the other side of the water way, but as a way to enjoy some quiet time and a light breeze to (mentally) recharge away from the event. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])

=== Information / infodesk / wiki ===

* The infodesk should've been open for longer/as long as possible. (background: I've sat on the NOC helpdesk a bunch of times after the last infodesk angles were gone and dealt with quite a few people that were originally looking for the helpdesk; also being able to respond to infodesk calls for longer). -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])

=== Lounges ===

* Silent lounge was very well done. Nicely decorated and people behaving very considerate (i.e. really tried to be silent). No wonder that it was popular to the point where it could've used more pillows. I was worried that people would start camping inside the lounge (similar things happen at congress for example), but that didn't turn out to be true. I've seen plenty of people taking a nap away from the noise of the event, but thankfully nobody started living inside the lounge. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])
* Besides the silent lounge, I wish there were more places for people, especially for those without a village, to relax in the shade near an Ethernet port and power socket. In the harbour there was the wood table with tent roof and the bar with a couple of seats, but away from power sockets and besides that a few deckchairs. Otherwise mostly hard wooden benches without shade (and power sockets). -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])
** +1 agreed, a few dedicated shaded outdoor spots would've been nice -- [[User:SK|SK]] ([[User talk:SK|talk]])

=== Merchandise ===

* The designs look great, I'm a fan of the asymmetry and the patterned sleeves. Not being able to go a size up or down from what you ordered online was kind of disappointing. Not a major issue for myself but I know of several people who were sad about this. The [[merch exchange]] is not a great solution, but better than nothing. --[[User:Juerd|Juerd]] ([[User talk:Juerd|talk]]) 20:54, 30 July 2022 (CEST)
* Merch was great: Awesome design and high quality. Preodering saved me from having to stay in a (humongous) line in the heat. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])
* I absolutely love the hexagonal patterns and diagrams, but the amount of purple/pink was enough to keep me from buying more than a hat (that, and sizes being too big for me). - [[User:Noor|Noor]] ([[User talk:Noor|talk]])
* Nice merch, despite at first not being a fan of the design. Option to preorder is great. -- [[User:SK|SK]] ([[User talk:SK|talk]])

=== Miscellaneous ===

* Swan family was pretty relaxed with all the people and activity, camping out in the middle of the terrain. - [[User:Noor|Noor]] ([[User talk:Noor|talk]]

=== Music/laser stage / silent disco / Symphony of Fire ===

* Music stage with the flamethrowers, and Symphony of Fire were awesome. - [[User:Noor|Noor]] ([[User talk:Noor|talk]])
* Very well done. Silent disco was a neat solution to the inherent noise conflicts. What exactly is going on could have been a bit more detailed in the schedule, some people were sad they missed interesting things because they didn't realize who was playing. -- [[User:SK|SK]] ([[User talk:SK|talk]])

=== NOC / Network ===

* My SFP+ module got to stay in a datenklo. A++++ would camp again. -- [[User:Q3k|Q3k]] ([[User talk:Q3k|talk]])

=== Off-Site Logistics ===

* Put your feedback here :)

=== On-Site Logistics ===

* Put your feedback here :)

=== Other music/noise (outside the official party area) ===

* Bit torn on this one. It is a party event, but there was way too much loud music post 2 AM. Some of us do need sleep. I know, weak etc. I don't recall seeing a clear policy on what is acceptable, might be behind people feeling ok cranking up the volume after midnight. -- [[User:Ahu|Ahu]] ([[User talk:Ahu|talk]])
* The Retro Arcade area was an absolute nuisance at night. They were blasting the neighbouring villages with shitty music and drunken yelling until 2 or 3 am pretty much every day. I can think of several words for this kind of behaviour, and none of them rhyme with "excellent". [[User:Alxndr|Alxndr]] ([[User talk:Alxndr|talk]])
* It seems like while the official policy was 'no noise after 1AM', it wasn't actively enforced for most cases - and I think that enabled people to also treat it a bit more like a hint rather than a rule? Perhaps for future events we should have numerical 'loudness' scores for all fields, forming a gradient, with a higher score letting people be louder and party later, and actually enforce that. That way loud people can camp in loud villages, while those who need peace and quiet can camp in quiet villages. -- [[User:Q3k|Q3k]] ([[User talk:Q3k|talk]])
** I think this was sort-of implemented based on village input, but the usual event fields are just a bit too small for that to work reliably -- [[User:SK|SK]] ([[User talk:SK|talk]])
* This was both badly communicated (FAQ said "until midnight", apparently the actual rule was from 1 am?) and not usefully enforced. Arcade area right next to family village especially apparently could do whatever they wanted. This makes awesome ideas like silent disco for the "official" music stage sadly quite moot. -- [[User:SK|SK]] ([[User talk:SK|talk]])
* second-hand, but if security (i.e. the contact listed for noise complaints on the front page of this wiki!) really responded to calls about this with "don't call us unless there's an actual emergency" some rules seriously need to be re-established -- [[User:SK|SK]] ([[User talk:SK|talk]])
* at the same time small villages further into the "louder sector" (i.e. away from family/silent camping) were told off for having any music on low volume -- [[User:SK|SK]] ([[User talk:SK|talk]])

=== POC / Dect / Fieldphones ===
* I couldn't find advance information as to when the phone / DECT network would be shut off on the wiki, having such information would be useful (but I may just have been looking in the wrong place) -- [[User:Pinoaffe|Pinoaffe]] ([[User talk:Pinoaffe|talk]])
* DECT coverage was great around the whole camp area. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])
* DECT self-registration worked great (have been used to it for a while now from congress). -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])

=== Parcel deliveries ===
* Many people that ordered things to the field were (seemingly) unaware of how parcel deliveries were supposed to work. This caused unnecessary overhead. -- [[User:Pinoaffe|Pinoaffe]] ([[User talk:Pinoaffe|talk]])
* Collaborating with C3Post may be worthwhile for a next event, though they may not want to deal with large packages. -- [[User:Pinoaffe|Pinoaffe]] ([[User talk:Pinoaffe|talk]])
** Delivering anything of real value sounds like a bad idea (on big events). Besides being way more effort than postcards, parcels (pending delivery) would require (secure-ish) storage space while not out for relivery or if the first delivery attempt failed. We'd also need extra couriers and not hand deliveries out to random passing-by hackers, which also leaks the info on the parcel (such as tracking numbers) to said random hackers. Also some postcards just got lost/didn't get delivered, which would be a real issue with parcels. -- [[User:Trilader|Trilader]] ([[User talk:Trilader|talk]])

=== Press / Media coverage ===

* Put your feedback here :)

=== Productiehuis / C3VOC ===
* MOST EXCELLENT WORK!! -- [[User:Ahu|Ahu]] ([[User talk:Ahu|talk]])
* The video-quality of the (few) talks I watched online was good, and I saw some nice fade effects. [[User:Fhp|Fhp]] ([[User talk:Fhp|talk]])
* The hard cutoff of the intro tune annoys me every time. [[User:Fhp|Fhp]] ([[User talk:Fhp|talk]])

=== Projectleiding ===

* Put your feedback here :)

=== ROC ===

* Put your feedback here :)

=== Safety / stewards / first aid / Fire Marshalls ===

* Phone numbers or other contact information was hard to find at the beginning of the event, added to the wiki later. --[[User:Juerd|Juerd]] ([[User talk:Juerd|talk]]) 20:47, 30 July 2022 (CEST)
* There were no backup mobile phone numbers (at least none published) for reaching the safety teams in case of infrastructure outage, and they were unreachable when the network was down. --[[User:Juerd|Juerd]] ([[User talk:Juerd|talk]]) 20:47, 30 July 2022 (CEST)
* Security: Bike path was open to all, so technically anyone could get on the terrain without a ticket. Which meant at least a few unwelcome visitors. - [[User:Noor|Noor]] ([[User talk:Noor|talk]])

=== Shuttle services (train station, and luggage on site) ===

* Shuttle drop-off point on field should have been marked somewhere on the maps or wiki, during build-up. I spent forever asking around trying to find the drop-off point, only to find it at heaven. - [[User:Noor|Noor]] ([[User talk:Noor|talk]])

=== Supermarket ===

* The supermarket was a really valuable addition to the event, and probably saved lots of fuel and time for people. I found the prices acceptable, and the choice of products was surprisingly broad! --[[User:Juerd|Juerd]] ([[User talk:Juerd|talk]]) 20:47, 30 July 2022 (CEST)
* Supermarket was a great thing and I hope we'll have it at the next event. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])
* Supermarket was wonderful, it felt like being back in civilization again and I could just zip inside to get a drink or breakfast for the next morning. - [[User:Noor|Noor]] ([[User talk:Noor|talk]])
* was very useful to have and surprisingly well-stocked (i.e. not just packaged junk food). Next time they'll know to bring less soft-drinks and more Ethernet/USB/... cables ;) -- [[User:SK|SK]] ([[User talk:SK|talk]])

=== Sysadmin / bofh ===

* Having had to deal with the crumbling of central infrastructure in other events, I really appreciated the stability of the wiki and Engelsystem before and throughout the event. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])

=== Terrain ===

* The western way to quiet camping was not accessible: so narrow that you can only go one way at a time and a huge log being in the way.

=== Ticket and Entrance ===

* Put your feedback here :)

=== Toilets / Showers ===

* The maintenance crew for the toilets/showers did a great job, IMHO, those facilities where usually in very good shape. [[User:Alxndr|Alxndr]] ([[User talk:Alxndr|talk]])
* Easily the best showers of any hacker camp I've been to. -- [[User:Q3k|Q3k]] ([[User talk:Q3k|talk]])
* There should have been showers closer to the quiet camping area. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])

=== Villages ===

* Put your feedback here :)

=== Village tent/furniture rental (Moebelhaus) ===

* Our tent ended up being rotated by pi/2 compared to the map. This ended up totally throwing off what we were planning. We managed regardless, but it'd be great if in the future these maps would actually reflect reality :). -- [[User:Q3k|Q3k]] ([[User talk:Q3k|talk]])
* Our tent was leaking, especially on the connector between modules. -- [[User:Q3k|Q3k]] ([[User talk:Q3k|talk]])

=== Visitors ===

* Most visitors were excellent, as always. But in the next few years when thinking of the next event, we should probably talk about people who I guess must be new to this community, that are incredibly lax with the photo/filming policy, and behave like consumers instead of participants. --[[User:Juerd|Juerd]] ([[User talk:Juerd|talk]]) 20:49, 30 July 2022 (CEST)

=== Volunteering / Angels ===

* Providing the angels with reusable water bottles was a very good idea. [[User:Alxndr|Alxndr]] ([[User talk:Alxndr|talk]])
** Agreed -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])

==== Volunteering ====

* Put your feedback here :)

==== Angel Food ====

* My only complaint about Mecklenb[öoøu]rg(er)? is that I still don't know how to spell their name. The food is wonderful, the people are great too! --[[User:Juerd|Juerd]] ([[User talk:Juerd|talk]]) 20:51, 30 July 2022 (CEST)
* The food was great, as always :) -- [[User:Pinoaffe|Pinoaffe]] ([[User talk:Pinoaffe|talk]])
* The angel food was incredible. One of the highlights of this event. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])
* Angel food was mostly great, except for the dinner on day 0 and some dishes otherwise. I'd also have appreciated some sort of meat at least every other day. - [[User:Noor|Noor]] ([[User talk:Noor|talk]])
* As always very good. Only complaint lack of coffee mugs -- [[User:SK|SK]] ([[User talk:SK|talk]])

==== Angel desk and Angel system ====

* I'd really like it if the Engelsystem alert emails contained the actual update in the email content. I'd get spammed with email notifications and if I wanted to actually read the update, I'd have to click through and login to the Engelsystem. I just ended up leaving most of those updates unread throughout the day. - [[User:Noor|Noor]] ([[User talk:Noor|talk]])

==== Heaven ====

* Put your feedback here :)

=== Warehouse ===

* Put your feedback here :)

=== Waste / garbage / trash ===

* Slightly sad that trash was just split into “glass” and “everything else”. It'd be nice if we could at least recycle cardboard/paper! -- [[User:Q3k|Q3k]] ([[User talk:Q3k|talk]])
** Agreed. Throwing everything into the "Other Waste" containers felt wrong. I understand this was on the waste company dropping the ball. Let's make sure this won't happen at the next event. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])
* an awful lot of mate etc bottles ended up in glass trash I think - the later-deployed bottle collection crates helped with that -- [[User:SK|SK]] ([[User talk:SK|talk]])

Feedback

2022-07-30T23:09:40Z

SK: /* Supermarket */

== Posted reviews, media, blogs/vlogs, photo collections, etc ==

Please post these on the [[memories]] page.

== How to post feedback ==

First of all, let's talk about negativity bias a bit. Please make sure to post a fair balance between positive and negative feedback. Feedback about what went wrong is important, but feedback about what went right is even more important. Do share your negativity, but please be kind and remember we're a bunch of volunteers. To thrive and continue to organize these events, we need a certain amount of positivity, preferably a list of the very specific things you loved and would like to experience again!

<nowiki>Please add your feedback below. Use * to add a bullet point, *: to add an indented bullet point (adding to or replying to comment above), and -- ~~~ to sign your name. </nowiki>

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<nowiki>Add a subject if it isn't there yet using == subject==</nowiki>

'''Use the [edit] links next to the individual headings to reduce the likelihood of wiki edit conflicts.'''

== Topics ==

=== General / overall ===

* So happy about the progressive pride and Antifa flag on the tower

=== Arrival / departure / parking / train shuttle / luggage shuttle ===

* I was surprised twice that empty places in the field were apparently claimed. It was not clear to me that people had staked out places already on the wiki. This would seem to me one of The Most Important Things To Tell People: "whatever is on the wiki wins". Or perhaps abolish that, also fine by me, but in any case be very clear about it. I could also do with an AR app or so that shows me what people claimed :-) -- [[User:Ahu|Ahu]] ([[User talk:Ahu|talk]])

* Last day of the event felt kinda "lost" as people were beginning to tear things down from early on in the day well before the closing event. Was bit of a weird mood/feeling. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])

=== Badge ===

* Very well-made and polished badge, really surprised me with the effort put into it and its versatility! [[User:Vurpo|Vurpo]] ([[User talk:Vurpo|talk]]) 21:07, 30 July 2022 (CEST)
* The badge is really nice, but the price of MCH admission is already hindering people we'd like to reach. Perhaps do consider if we really need it. -- [[User:Ahu|Ahu]] ([[User talk:Ahu|talk]])
* Awesome badge, I had a lot of fun tinkering with it during camp and always received helpful advice in the IRC channel. Please keep this project going! [[User:Alxndr|Alxndr]] ([[User talk:Alxndr|talk]])

=== Bars and food court ===

* The capacity of the food-stands was quite low, which resulted in long waiting times. Not good with hungry kids. [[User:Fhp|Fhp]] ([[User talk:Fhp|talk]])
* Agree with above: low capacity for the commercial food stands. They also didn't seem to grasp the concept of 'lunch'. I expected them to be up and running around 13.00, but most of them weren't, resulting in even longer lines at the places that were open earlier. -- [[User:Dany|Dany]] ([[User talk:Dany|talk]])
* The food stands I've visited (Wok, Fries) had poor in-person advertising of everything that they were actually selling and how much it cost. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])
=== Buildup and teardown ===

* As one of the persons who collected what felt like a kilometre of Flatterband at teardown, and removed a pile of pegs it was attached to, I would like to thank those buildup angels who didn't sink the pegs below ground level. You made my job a lot easier! :) [[User:Alxndr|Alxndr]] ([[User talk:Alxndr|talk]])

=== COVID19 precautions ===

* Thanks for caring about ventilation. [https://grafana.mch2022.org/d/q9gZutJ7z/mch2022?orgId=1&viewPanel=30&from=1658492800367&to=1658853839068 CO2 meters] and open sides weren't in place during the opening talk, but this was fixed quickly after and I heard the security team kept an eye on the graphs. --[[User:Juerd|Juerd]] ([[User talk:Juerd|talk]]) 20:43, 30 July 2022 (CEST)
* I liked the availability of masks and self tests for those who forgot to bring their own. I've heard about a few dozen people who got infected, but there were probably more. Thanks to the rapid tests and the heroes who chose to isolate, we may have averted a disastrous superspreading event. --[[User:Juerd|Juerd]] ([[User talk:Juerd|talk]]) 22:02, 30 July 2022 (CEST)
** Very much appreciated the easy availability of masks and rapid tests. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])
* It would have been good to switch from recommended to required mask wearing, at least indoors, once it became clear that "personal responsibility" wasn't working out (even in this community, what a disappointment). [[User:Alxndr|Alxndr]] ([[User talk:Alxndr|talk]])
** Agreeing on all points. Was also a bit disappointed. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])

=== Cohesion ===

* Put your feedback here :)

=== Content / talks / heralds / speakerdesk / AV / recordings ===

* In the end it worked pretty well, but perhaps do ponder having some "known good" presenter laptops/devices available. This has worked very well for other conferences. I used a 200 euro Chromebook with a throwaway google account. -- [[User:Ahu|Ahu]] ([[User talk:Ahu|talk]])
* This is a matter of taste - if you light up the speakers real well, the audience can enjoy a well lighted speaker. But the speaker then often can't see the audience. And during my talks, I love to actually see the audience. This was better in 2017 (at least in Abacus and Battery). -- [[User:Ahu|Ahu]] ([[User talk:Ahu|talk]])
* The speaker desk and the room to work is absolutely ACE. -- [[User:Ahu|Ahu]] ([[User talk:Ahu|talk]])

=== Decoration / design ===

* Well done all around -- [[User:SK|SK]] ([[User talk:SK|talk]]) 01:07, 31 July 2022 (CEST)

=== Family / kids ===

* Put your feedback here :)

=== Finance / coins / payments ===

* Payment by card worked mostly well, other than the supermarket not accepting international cards. My main issue was that the payment system was not well enough explained before the actual event! The blog post and wiki page were pretty long and still left me confused about what the actual payment system on the field was going to end up being. Even a simple "TL;DR we will use regular international payment cards with chip/contactless" would have helped me. [[User:Vurpo|Vurpo]] ([[User talk:Vurpo|talk]]) 21:04, 30 July 2022 (CEST)
* I asked at several bars and the food court where I could get the prepaid card for the MCH payment system, but nobody knew, so I ended up using my regular payment card. [[User:Alxndr|Alxndr]] ([[User talk:Alxndr|talk]]
** The MCH payment system only was operational from about day 3. - [[User:Noor|Noor]]
* I liked the idea of the cashless QR-code, especially the later upgrade to a "hard card" rather than just a stub of thermal paper. Avoids using the big payment providers and frees one of having to carry around cash. However I would've loved seeing more universal acceptance around the event (for example at the supermarket). -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])

=== Harbour / Ferry ===

* Loved the ferry service not as much as a shuttle to the other side of the water way, but as a way to enjoy some quiet time and a light breeze to (mentally) recharge away from the event. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])

=== Information / infodesk / wiki ===

* The infodesk should've been open for longer/as long as possible. (background: I've sat on the NOC helpdesk a bunch of times after the last infodesk angles were gone and dealt with quite a few people that were originally looking for the helpdesk; also being able to respond to infodesk calls for longer). -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])

=== Lounges ===

* Silent lounge was very well done. Nicely decorated and people behaving very considerate (i.e. really tried to be silent). No wonder that it was popular to the point where it could've used more pillows. I was worried that people would start camping inside the lounge (similar things happen at congress for example), but that didn't turn out to be true. I've seen plenty of people taking a nap away from the noise of the event, but thankfully nobody started living inside the lounge. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])
* Besides the silent lounge, I wish there were more places for people, especially for those without a village, to relax in the shade near an Ethernet port and power socket. In the harbour there was the wood table with tent roof and the bar with a couple of seats, but away from power sockets and besides that a few deckchairs. Otherwise mostly hard wooden benches without shade (and power sockets). -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])
** +1 agreed, a few dedicated shaded outdoor spots would've been nice -- [[User:SK|SK]] ([[User talk:SK|talk]])

=== Merchandise ===

* The designs look great, I'm a fan of the asymmetry and the patterned sleeves. Not being able to go a size up or down from what you ordered online was kind of disappointing. Not a major issue for myself but I know of several people who were sad about this. The [[merch exchange]] is not a great solution, but better than nothing. --[[User:Juerd|Juerd]] ([[User talk:Juerd|talk]]) 20:54, 30 July 2022 (CEST)
* Merch was great: Awesome design and high quality. Preodering saved me from having to stay in a (humongous) line in the heat. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])
* I absolutely love the hexagonal patterns and diagrams, but the amount of purple/pink was enough to keep me from buying more than a hat (that, and sizes being too big for me). - [[User:Noor|Noor]] ([[User talk:Noor|talk]])
* Nice merch, despite at first not being a fan of the design. Option to preorder is great. -- [[User:SK|SK]] ([[User talk:SK|talk]])

=== Miscellaneous ===

* Swan family was pretty relaxed with all the people and activity, camping out in the middle of the terrain. - [[User:Noor|Noor]] ([[User talk:Noor|talk]]

=== Music/laser stage / silent disco / Symphony of Fire ===

* Music stage with the flamethrowers, and Symphony of Fire were awesome. - [[User:Noor|Noor]] ([[User talk:Noor|talk]])
* Very well done. Silent disco was a neat solution to the inherent noise conflicts. What exactly is going on could have been a bit more detailed in the schedule, some people were sad they missed interesting things because they didn't realize who was playing. -- [[User:SK|SK]] ([[User talk:SK|talk]])

=== NOC / Network ===

* My SFP+ module got to stay in a datenklo. A++++ would camp again. -- [[User:Q3k|Q3k]] ([[User talk:Q3k|talk]])

=== Off-Site Logistics ===

* Put your feedback here :)

=== On-Site Logistics ===

* Put your feedback here :)

=== Other music/noise (outside the official party area) ===

* Bit torn on this one. It is a party event, but there was way too much loud music post 2 AM. Some of us do need sleep. I know, weak etc. I don't recall seeing a clear policy on what is acceptable, might be behind people feeling ok cranking up the volume after midnight. -- [[User:Ahu|Ahu]] ([[User talk:Ahu|talk]])
* The Retro Arcade area was an absolute nuisance at night. They were blasting the neighbouring villages with shitty music and drunken yelling until 2 or 3 am pretty much every day. I can think of several words for this kind of behaviour, and none of them rhyme with "excellent". [[User:Alxndr|Alxndr]] ([[User talk:Alxndr|talk]])
* It seems like while the official policy was 'no noise after 1AM', it wasn't actively enforced for most cases - and I think that enabled people to also treat it a bit more like a hint rather than a rule? Perhaps for future events we should have numerical 'loudness' scores for all fields, forming a gradient, with a higher score letting people be louder and party later, and actually enforce that. That way loud people can camp in loud villages, while those who need peace and quiet can camp in quiet villages. -- [[User:Q3k|Q3k]] ([[User talk:Q3k|talk]])
** I think this was sort-of implemented based on village input, but the usual event fields are just a bit too small for that to work reliably -- [[User:SK|SK]] ([[User talk:SK|talk]])
* This was both badly communicated (FAQ said "until midnight", apparently the actual rule was from 1 am?) and not usefully enforced. Arcade area right next to family village especially apparently could do whatever they wanted. This makes awesome ideas like silent disco for the "official" music stage sadly quite moot. -- [[User:SK|SK]] ([[User talk:SK|talk]])
* second-hand, but if security (i.e. the contact listed for noise complaints on the front page of this wiki!) really responded to calls about this with "don't call us unless there's an actual emergency" some rules seriously need to be re-established -- [[User:SK|SK]] ([[User talk:SK|talk]])
* at the same time small villages further into the "louder sector" (i.e. away from family/silent camping) were told off for having any music on low volume -- [[User:SK|SK]] ([[User talk:SK|talk]])

=== POC / Dect / Fieldphones ===
* I couldn't find advance information as to when the phone / DECT network would be shut off on the wiki, having such information would be useful (but I may just have been looking in the wrong place) -- [[User:Pinoaffe|Pinoaffe]] ([[User talk:Pinoaffe|talk]])
* DECT coverage was great around the whole camp area. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])
* DECT self-registration worked great (have been used to it for a while now from congress). -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])

=== Parcel deliveries ===
* Many people that ordered things to the field were (seemingly) unaware of how parcel deliveries were supposed to work. This caused unnecessary overhead. -- [[User:Pinoaffe|Pinoaffe]] ([[User talk:Pinoaffe|talk]])
* Collaborating with C3Post may be worthwhile for a next event, though they may not want to deal with large packages. -- [[User:Pinoaffe|Pinoaffe]] ([[User talk:Pinoaffe|talk]])
** Delivering anything of real value sounds like a bad idea (on big events). Besides being way more effort than postcards, parcels (pending delivery) would require (secure-ish) storage space while not out for relivery or if the first delivery attempt failed. We'd also need extra couriers and not hand deliveries out to random passing-by hackers, which also leaks the info on the parcel (such as tracking numbers) to said random hackers. Also some postcards just got lost/didn't get delivered, which would be a real issue with parcels. -- [[User:Trilader|Trilader]] ([[User talk:Trilader|talk]])

=== Press / Media coverage ===

* Put your feedback here :)

=== Productiehuis / C3VOC ===
* MOST EXCELLENT WORK!! -- [[User:Ahu|Ahu]] ([[User talk:Ahu|talk]])
* The video-quality of the (few) talks I watched online was good, and I saw some nice fade effects. [[User:Fhp|Fhp]] ([[User talk:Fhp|talk]])
* The hard cutoff of the intro tune annoys me every time. [[User:Fhp|Fhp]] ([[User talk:Fhp|talk]])

=== Projectleiding ===

* Put your feedback here :)

=== ROC ===

* Put your feedback here :)

=== Safety / stewards / first aid / Fire Marshalls ===

* Phone numbers or other contact information was hard to find at the beginning of the event, added to the wiki later. --[[User:Juerd|Juerd]] ([[User talk:Juerd|talk]]) 20:47, 30 July 2022 (CEST)
* There were no backup mobile phone numbers (at least none published) for reaching the safety teams in case of infrastructure outage, and they were unreachable when the network was down. --[[User:Juerd|Juerd]] ([[User talk:Juerd|talk]]) 20:47, 30 July 2022 (CEST)
* Security: Bike path was open to all, so technically anyone could get on the terrain without a ticket. Which meant at least a few unwelcome visitors. - [[User:Noor|Noor]] ([[User talk:Noor|talk]])

=== Shuttle services (train station, and luggage on site) ===

* Shuttle drop-off point on field should have been marked somewhere on the maps or wiki, during build-up. I spent forever asking around trying to find the drop-off point, only to find it at heaven. - [[User:Noor|Noor]] ([[User talk:Noor|talk]])

=== Supermarket ===

* The supermarket was a really valuable addition to the event, and probably saved lots of fuel and time for people. I found the prices acceptable, and the choice of products was surprisingly broad! --[[User:Juerd|Juerd]] ([[User talk:Juerd|talk]]) 20:47, 30 July 2022 (CEST)
* Supermarket was a great thing and I hope we'll have it at the next event. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])
* Supermarket was wonderful, it felt like being back in civilization again and I could just zip inside to get a drink or breakfast for the next morning. - [[User:Noor|Noor]] ([[User talk:Noor|talk]])
* was very useful to have and surprisingly well-stocked (i.e. not just packaged junk food). Next time they'll know to bring less soft-drinks and more Ethernet/USB/... cables ;) -- [[User:SK|SK]] ([[User talk:SK|talk]])

=== Sysadmin / bofh ===

* Having had to deal with the crumbling of central infrastructure in other events, I really appreciated the stability of the wiki and Engelsystem before and throughout the event. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])

=== Terrain ===

* The western way to quiet camping was not accessible: so narrow that you can only go one way at a time and a huge log being in the way.

=== Ticket and Entrance ===

* Put your feedback here :)

=== Toilets / Showers ===

* The maintenance crew for the toilets/showers did a great job, IMHO, those facilities where usually in very good shape. [[User:Alxndr|Alxndr]] ([[User talk:Alxndr|talk]])
* Easily the best showers of any hacker camp I've been to. -- [[User:Q3k|Q3k]] ([[User talk:Q3k|talk]])
* There should have been showers closer to the quiet camping area. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])

=== Villages ===

* Put your feedback here :)

=== Village tent/furniture rental (Moebelhaus) ===

* Our tent ended up being rotated by pi/2 compared to the map. This ended up totally throwing off what we were planning. We managed regardless, but it'd be great if in the future these maps would actually reflect reality :). -- [[User:Q3k|Q3k]] ([[User talk:Q3k|talk]])
* Our tent was leaking, especially on the connector between modules. -- [[User:Q3k|Q3k]] ([[User talk:Q3k|talk]])

=== Visitors ===

* Most visitors were excellent, as always. But in the next few years when thinking of the next event, we should probably talk about people who I guess must be new to this community, that are incredibly lax with the photo/filming policy, and behave like consumers instead of participants. --[[User:Juerd|Juerd]] ([[User talk:Juerd|talk]]) 20:49, 30 July 2022 (CEST)

=== Volunteering / Angels ===

* Providing the angels with reusable water bottles was a very good idea. [[User:Alxndr|Alxndr]] ([[User talk:Alxndr|talk]])
** Agreed -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])

==== Volunteering ====

* Put your feedback here :)

==== Angel Food ====

* My only complaint about Mecklenb[öoøu]rg(er)? is that I still don't know how to spell their name. The food is wonderful, the people are great too! --[[User:Juerd|Juerd]] ([[User talk:Juerd|talk]]) 20:51, 30 July 2022 (CEST)
* The food was great, as always :) -- [[User:Pinoaffe|Pinoaffe]] ([[User talk:Pinoaffe|talk]])
* The angel food was incredible. One of the highlights of this event. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])
* Angel food was mostly great, except for the dinner on day 0 and some dishes otherwise. I'd also have appreciated some sort of meat at least every other day. - [[User:Noor|Noor]] ([[User talk:Noor|talk]])

==== Angel desk and Angel system ====

* I'd really like it if the Engelsystem alert emails contained the actual update in the email content. I'd get spammed with email notifications and if I wanted to actually read the update, I'd have to click through and login to the Engelsystem. I just ended up leaving most of those updates unread throughout the day. - [[User:Noor|Noor]] ([[User talk:Noor|talk]])

==== Heaven ====

* Put your feedback here :)

=== Warehouse ===

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=== Waste / garbage / trash ===

* Slightly sad that trash was just split into “glass” and “everything else”. It'd be nice if we could at least recycle cardboard/paper! -- [[User:Q3k|Q3k]] ([[User talk:Q3k|talk]])
** Agreed. Throwing everything into the "Other Waste" containers felt wrong. I understand this was on the waste company dropping the ball. Let's make sure this won't happen at the next event. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])
* an awful lot of mate etc bottles ended up in glass trash I think - the later-deployed bottle collection crates helped with that -- [[User:SK|SK]] ([[User talk:SK|talk]])

Feedback

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== Topics ==

=== General / overall ===

* So happy about the progressive pride and Antifa flag on the tower

=== Arrival / departure / parking / train shuttle / luggage shuttle ===

* I was surprised twice that empty places in the field were apparently claimed. It was not clear to me that people had staked out places already on the wiki. This would seem to me one of The Most Important Things To Tell People: "whatever is on the wiki wins". Or perhaps abolish that, also fine by me, but in any case be very clear about it. I could also do with an AR app or so that shows me what people claimed :-) -- [[User:Ahu|Ahu]] ([[User talk:Ahu|talk]])

* Last day of the event felt kinda "lost" as people were beginning to tear things down from early on in the day well before the closing event. Was bit of a weird mood/feeling. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])

=== Badge ===

* Very well-made and polished badge, really surprised me with the effort put into it and its versatility! [[User:Vurpo|Vurpo]] ([[User talk:Vurpo|talk]]) 21:07, 30 July 2022 (CEST)
* The badge is really nice, but the price of MCH admission is already hindering people we'd like to reach. Perhaps do consider if we really need it. -- [[User:Ahu|Ahu]] ([[User talk:Ahu|talk]])
* Awesome badge, I had a lot of fun tinkering with it during camp and always received helpful advice in the IRC channel. Please keep this project going! [[User:Alxndr|Alxndr]] ([[User talk:Alxndr|talk]])

=== Bars and food court ===

* The capacity of the food-stands was quite low, which resulted in long waiting times. Not good with hungry kids. [[User:Fhp|Fhp]] ([[User talk:Fhp|talk]])
* Agree with above: low capacity for the commercial food stands. They also didn't seem to grasp the concept of 'lunch'. I expected them to be up and running around 13.00, but most of them weren't, resulting in even longer lines at the places that were open earlier. -- [[User:Dany|Dany]] ([[User talk:Dany|talk]])
* The food stands I've visited (Wok, Fries) had poor in-person advertising of everything that they were actually selling and how much it cost. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])
=== Buildup and teardown ===

* As one of the persons who collected what felt like a kilometre of Flatterband at teardown, and removed a pile of pegs it was attached to, I would like to thank those buildup angels who didn't sink the pegs below ground level. You made my job a lot easier! :) [[User:Alxndr|Alxndr]] ([[User talk:Alxndr|talk]])

=== COVID19 precautions ===

* Thanks for caring about ventilation. [https://grafana.mch2022.org/d/q9gZutJ7z/mch2022?orgId=1&viewPanel=30&from=1658492800367&to=1658853839068 CO2 meters] and open sides weren't in place during the opening talk, but this was fixed quickly after and I heard the security team kept an eye on the graphs. --[[User:Juerd|Juerd]] ([[User talk:Juerd|talk]]) 20:43, 30 July 2022 (CEST)
* I liked the availability of masks and self tests for those who forgot to bring their own. I've heard about a few dozen people who got infected, but there were probably more. Thanks to the rapid tests and the heroes who chose to isolate, we may have averted a disastrous superspreading event. --[[User:Juerd|Juerd]] ([[User talk:Juerd|talk]]) 22:02, 30 July 2022 (CEST)
** Very much appreciated the easy availability of masks and rapid tests. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])
* It would have been good to switch from recommended to required mask wearing, at least indoors, once it became clear that "personal responsibility" wasn't working out (even in this community, what a disappointment). [[User:Alxndr|Alxndr]] ([[User talk:Alxndr|talk]])
** Agreeing on all points. Was also a bit disappointed. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])

=== Cohesion ===

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=== Content / talks / heralds / speakerdesk / AV / recordings ===

* In the end it worked pretty well, but perhaps do ponder having some "known good" presenter laptops/devices available. This has worked very well for other conferences. I used a 200 euro Chromebook with a throwaway google account. -- [[User:Ahu|Ahu]] ([[User talk:Ahu|talk]])
* This is a matter of taste - if you light up the speakers real well, the audience can enjoy a well lighted speaker. But the speaker then often can't see the audience. And during my talks, I love to actually see the audience. This was better in 2017 (at least in Abacus and Battery). -- [[User:Ahu|Ahu]] ([[User talk:Ahu|talk]])
* The speaker desk and the room to work is absolutely ACE. -- [[User:Ahu|Ahu]] ([[User talk:Ahu|talk]])

=== Decoration / design ===

* Well done all around -- [[User:SK|SK]] ([[User talk:SK|talk]]) 01:07, 31 July 2022 (CEST)

=== Family / kids ===

* Put your feedback here :)

=== Finance/coins/payments ===

* Payment by card worked mostly well, other than the supermarket not accepting international cards. My main issue was that the payment system was not well enough explained before the actual event! The blog post and wiki page were pretty long and still left me confused about what the actual payment system on the field was going to end up being. Even a simple "TL;DR we will use regular international payment cards with chip/contactless" would have helped me. [[User:Vurpo|Vurpo]] ([[User talk:Vurpo|talk]]) 21:04, 30 July 2022 (CEST)
* I asked at several bars and the food court where I could get the prepaid card for the MCH payment system, but nobody knew, so I ended up using my regular payment card. [[User:Alxndr|Alxndr]] ([[User talk:Alxndr|talk]]
**The MCH payment system only was operational from about day 3. - [[User:Noor|Noor]]
* I liked the idea of the cashless QR-code, especially the later upgrade to a "hard card" rather than just a stub of thermal paper. Avoids using the big payment providers and frees one of having to carry around cash. However I would've loved seeing more universal acceptance around the event (for example at the supermarket). -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])

=== Harbour / Ferry ===

* Loved the ferry service not as much as a shuttle to the other side of the water way, but as a way to enjoy some quiet time and light breeze as a way to (mentally) recharge away from the event. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])

=== Information / infodesk / wiki ===

* The infodesk should've been open for longer/as long as possible. (background: I've sat on the NOC helpdesk a bunch of times after the last infodesk angles were gone and dealt with quite a few people that were originally looking for the helpdesk; also being able to respond to infodesk calls for longer). -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])

=== Lounges ===

* Silent lounge was very well done. Nicely decorated and people behaving very considerate (i.e. really tried to be silent). No wonder that it was popular to the point where it could've used more pillows. I was worried that people would start camping inside the lounge (similar things happen at congress for example), but that didn't turn out to be true. I've seen plenty of people taking a nap away from the noise of the event, but thankfully nobody started living inside the lounge. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])
* Besides the silent lounge, I wish there were more places for people, especially for those without a village, to relax in the shade near an Ethernet port and power socket. In the harbour there was the wood table with tent roof and the bar with a couple of seats, but away from power sockets and besides that a few deckchairs. Otherwise mostly hard wooden benches without shade (and power sockets). -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])
** +1 agreed, a few dedicated shaded outdoor spots would've been nice -- [[User:SK|SK]] ([[User talk:SK|talk]])

=== Merchandise ===

* The designs look great, I'm a fan of the asymmetry and the patterned sleeves. Not being able to go a size up or down from what you ordered online was kind of disappointing. Not a major issue for myself but I know of several people who were sad about this. The [[merch exchange]] is not a great solution, but better than nothing. --[[User:Juerd|Juerd]] ([[User talk:Juerd|talk]]) 20:54, 30 July 2022 (CEST)
* Merch was great: Awesome design and high quality. Preodering saved me from having to stay in a (humongous) line in the heat. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])
* I absolutely love the hexagonal patterns and diagrams, but the amount of purple/pink was enough to keep me from buying more than a hat (that, and sizes being too big for me). - [[User:Noor|Noor]] ([[User talk:Noor|talk]])
* Nice merch, despite at first not being a fan of the design. Option to preorder is great. -- [[User:SK|SK]] ([[User talk:SK|talk]])

=== Miscellaneous ===

* Swan family was pretty relaxed with all the people and activity, camping out in the middle of the terrain. - [[User:Noor|Noor]] ([[User talk:Noor|talk]]

=== Music/laser stage / silent disco / Symphony of Fire ===

* Music stage with the flamethrowers, and Symphony of Fire were awesome. - [[User:Noor|Noor]] ([[User talk:Noor|talk]])
* Very well done. Silent disco was a neat solution to the inherent noise conflicts. What exactly is going on could have been a bit more detailed in the schedule, some people were sad they missed interesting things because they didn't realize who was playing. -- [[User:SK|SK]] ([[User talk:SK|talk]])

=== NOC / Network ===

* My SFP+ module got to stay in a datenklo. A++++ would camp again. -- [[User:Q3k|Q3k]] ([[User talk:Q3k|talk]])

=== Off-Site Logistics ===

* Put your feedback here :)

=== On-Site Logistics ===

* Put your feedback here :)

=== Other music/noise (outside the official party area) ===

* Bit torn on this one. It is a party event, but there was way too much loud music post 2 AM. Some of us do need sleep. I know, weak etc. I don't recall seeing a clear policy on what is acceptable, might be behind people feeling ok cranking up the volume after midnight. -- [[User:Ahu|Ahu]] ([[User talk:Ahu|talk]])
* The Retro Arcade area was an absolute nuisance at night. They were blasting the neighbouring villages with shitty music and drunken yelling until 2 or 3 am pretty much every day. I can think of several words for this kind of behaviour, and none of them rhyme with "excellent". [[User:Alxndr|Alxndr]] ([[User talk:Alxndr|talk]])
* It seems like while the official policy was 'no noise after 1AM', it wasn't actively enforced for most cases - and I think that enabled people to also treat it a bit more like a hint rather than a rule? Perhaps for future events we should have numerical 'loudness' scores for all fields, forming a gradient, with a higher score letting people be louder and party later, and actually enforce that. That way loud people can camp in loud villages, while those who need peace and quiet can camp in quiet villages. -- [[User:Q3k|Q3k]] ([[User talk:Q3k|talk]])
** I think this was sort-of implemented based on village input, but the usual event fields are just a bit too small for that to work reliably -- [[User:SK|SK]] ([[User talk:SK|talk]])
* This was both badly communicated (FAQ said "until midnight", apparently the actual rule was from 1 am?) and not usefully enforced. Arcade area right next to family village especially apparently could do whatever they wanted. This makes awesome ideas like silent disco for the "official" music stage sadly quite moot. -- [[User:SK|SK]] ([[User talk:SK|talk]])
* second-hand, but if security (i.e. the contact listed for noise complaints on the front page of this wiki!) really responded to calls about this with "don't call us unless there's an actual emergency" some rules seriously need to be re-established -- [[User:SK|SK]] ([[User talk:SK|talk]])
* at the same time small villages further into the "louder sector" (i.e. away from family/silent camping) were told off for having any music on low volume -- [[User:SK|SK]] ([[User talk:SK|talk]])

=== POC / Dect / Fieldphones ===
* I couldn't find advance information as to when the phone / DECT network would be shut off on the wiki, having such information would be useful (but I may just have been looking in the wrong place) -- [[User:Pinoaffe|Pinoaffe]] ([[User talk:Pinoaffe|talk]])
* DECT coverage was great around the whole camp area. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])
* DECT self-registration worked great (have been used to it for a while now from congress). -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])

=== Parcel deliveries ===
* Many people that ordered things to the field were (seemingly) unaware of how parcel deliveries were supposed to work. This caused unnecessary overhead. -- [[User:Pinoaffe|Pinoaffe]] ([[User talk:Pinoaffe|talk]])
* Collaborating with C3Post may be worthwhile for a next event, though they may not want to deal with large packages. -- [[User:Pinoaffe|Pinoaffe]] ([[User talk:Pinoaffe|talk]])
** Delivering anything of real value sounds like a bad idea (on big events). Besides being way more effort than postcards, parcels (pending delivery) would require (secure-ish) storage space while not out for relivery or if the first delivery attempt failed. We'd also need extra couriers and not hand deliveries out to random passing-by hackers, which also leaks the info on the parcel (such as tracking numbers) to said random hackers. Also some postcards just got lost/didn't get delivered, which would be a real issue with parcels. -- [[User:Trilader|Trilader]] ([[User talk:Trilader|talk]])

=== Press / Media coverage ===

* Put your feedback here :)

=== Productiehuis / C3VOC ===
* MOST EXCELLENT WORK!! -- [[User:Ahu|Ahu]] ([[User talk:Ahu|talk]])
* The video-quality of the (few) talks I watched online was good, and I saw some nice fade effects. [[User:Fhp|Fhp]] ([[User talk:Fhp|talk]])
* The hard cutoff of the intro tune annoys me every time. [[User:Fhp|Fhp]] ([[User talk:Fhp|talk]])

=== Projectleiding ===

* Put your feedback here :)

=== ROC ===

* Put your feedback here :)

=== Safety / stewards / first aid / Fire Marshalls ===

* Phone numbers or other contact information was hard to find at the beginning of the event, added to the wiki later. --[[User:Juerd|Juerd]] ([[User talk:Juerd|talk]]) 20:47, 30 July 2022 (CEST)
* There were no backup mobile phone numbers (at least none published) for reaching the safety teams in case of infrastructure outage, and they were unreachable when the network was down. --[[User:Juerd|Juerd]] ([[User talk:Juerd|talk]]) 20:47, 30 July 2022 (CEST)
* Security: Bike path was open to all, so technically anyone could get on the terrain without a ticket. Which meant at least a few unwelcome visitors. - [[User:Noor|Noor]] ([[User talk:Noor|talk]])

=== Shuttle services (train station, and luggage on site) ===

* Shuttle drop-off point on field should have been marked somewhere on the maps or wiki, during build-up. I spent forever asking around trying to find the drop-off point, only to find it at heaven. - [[User:Noor|Noor]] ([[User talk:Noor|talk]])

=== Supermarket ===

* The supermarket was a really valuable addition to the event, and probably saved lots of fuel and time for people. I found the prices acceptable, and the choice of products was surprisingly broad! --[[User:Juerd|Juerd]] ([[User talk:Juerd|talk]]) 20:47, 30 July 2022 (CEST)
* Supermarket was a great thing and I hope we'll have it at the next event. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])
* Supermarket was wonderful, it felt like being back in civilization again and I could just zip inside to get a drink or breakfast for the next morning. - [[User:Noor|Noor]] ([[User talk:Noor|talk]])

=== Sysadmin / bofh ===

* Having had to deal with the crumbling of central infrastructure in other events, I really appreciated the stability of the wiki and Engelsystem before and throughout the event. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])

=== Terrain ===

* The western way to quiet camping was not accessible: so narrow that you can only go one way at a time and a huge log being in the way.

=== Ticket and Entrance ===

* Put your feedback here :)

=== Toilets / Showers ===

* The maintenance crew for the toilets/showers did a great job, IMHO, those facilities where usually in very good shape. [[User:Alxndr|Alxndr]] ([[User talk:Alxndr|talk]])
* Easily the best showers of any hacker camp I've been to. -- [[User:Q3k|Q3k]] ([[User talk:Q3k|talk]])
* There should have been showers closer to the quiet camping area. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])

=== Villages ===

* Put your feedback here :)

=== Village tent/furniture rental (Moebelhaus) ===

* Our tent ended up being rotated by pi/2 compared to the map. This ended up totally throwing off what we were planning. We managed regardless, but it'd be great if in the future these maps would actually reflect reality :). -- [[User:Q3k|Q3k]] ([[User talk:Q3k|talk]])
* Our tent was leaking, especially on the connector between modules. -- [[User:Q3k|Q3k]] ([[User talk:Q3k|talk]])

=== Visitors ===

* Most visitors were excellent, as always. But in the next few years when thinking of the next event, we should probably talk about people who I guess must be new to this community, that are incredibly lax with the photo/filming policy, and behave like consumers instead of participants. --[[User:Juerd|Juerd]] ([[User talk:Juerd|talk]]) 20:49, 30 July 2022 (CEST)

=== Volunteering / Angels ===

* Providing the angels with reusable water bottles was a very good idea. [[User:Alxndr|Alxndr]] ([[User talk:Alxndr|talk]])
** Agreed -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])

==== Volunteering ====

* Put your feedback here :)

==== Angel Food ====

* My only complaint about Mecklenb[öoøu]rg(er)? is that I still don't know how to spell their name. The food is wonderful, the people are great too! --[[User:Juerd|Juerd]] ([[User talk:Juerd|talk]]) 20:51, 30 July 2022 (CEST)
* The food was great, as always :) -- [[User:Pinoaffe|Pinoaffe]] ([[User talk:Pinoaffe|talk]])
* The angel food was incredible. One of the highlights of this event. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])
* Angel food was mostly great, except for the dinner on day 0 and some dishes otherwise. I'd also have appreciated some sort of meat at least every other day. - [[User:Noor|Noor]] ([[User talk:Noor|talk]])

==== Angel desk and Angel system ====

* I'd really like it if the Engelsystem alert emails contained the actual update in the email content. I'd get spammed with email notifications and if I wanted to actually read the update, I'd have to click through and login to the Engelsystem. I just ended up leaving most of those updates unread throughout the day. - [[User:Noor|Noor]] ([[User talk:Noor|talk]])

==== Heaven ====

* Put your feedback here :)

=== Warehouse ===

* Put your feedback here :)

=== Waste / garbage / trash ===

* Slightly sad that trash was just split into “glass” and “everything else”. It'd be nice if we could at least recycle cardboard/paper! -- [[User:Q3k|Q3k]] ([[User talk:Q3k|talk]])
** Agreed. Throwing everything into the "Other Waste" containers felt wrong. I understand this was on the waste company dropping the ball. Let's make sure this won't happen at the next event. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])
* an awful lot of mate etc bottles ended up in glass trash I think - the later-deployed bottle collection crates helped with that -- [[User:SK|SK]] ([[User talk:SK|talk]])

Feedback

2022-07-30T23:06:36Z

SK: /* Lounges */

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== Topics ==

=== General / overall ===

* So happy about the progressive pride and Antifa flag on the tower

=== Arrival / departure / parking / train shuttle / luggage shuttle ===

* I was surprised twice that empty places in the field were apparently claimed. It was not clear to me that people had staked out places already on the wiki. This would seem to me one of The Most Important Things To Tell People: "whatever is on the wiki wins". Or perhaps abolish that, also fine by me, but in any case be very clear about it. I could also do with an AR app or so that shows me what people claimed :-) -- [[User:Ahu|Ahu]] ([[User talk:Ahu|talk]])

* Last day of the event felt kinda "lost" as people were beginning to tear things down from early on in the day well before the closing event. Was bit of a weird mood/feeling. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])

=== Badge ===

* Very well-made and polished badge, really surprised me with the effort put into it and its versatility! [[User:Vurpo|Vurpo]] ([[User talk:Vurpo|talk]]) 21:07, 30 July 2022 (CEST)
* The badge is really nice, but the price of MCH admission is already hindering people we'd like to reach. Perhaps do consider if we really need it. -- [[User:Ahu|Ahu]] ([[User talk:Ahu|talk]])
* Awesome badge, I had a lot of fun tinkering with it during camp and always received helpful advice in the IRC channel. Please keep this project going! [[User:Alxndr|Alxndr]] ([[User talk:Alxndr|talk]])

=== Bars and food court ===

* The capacity of the food-stands was quite low, which resulted in long waiting times. Not good with hungry kids. [[User:Fhp|Fhp]] ([[User talk:Fhp|talk]])
* Agree with above: low capacity for the commercial food stands. They also didn't seem to grasp the concept of 'lunch'. I expected them to be up and running around 13.00, but most of them weren't, resulting in even longer lines at the places that were open earlier. -- [[User:Dany|Dany]] ([[User talk:Dany|talk]])
* The food stands I've visited (Wok, Fries) had poor in-person advertising of everything that they were actually selling and how much it cost. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])
=== Buildup and teardown ===

* As one of the persons who collected what felt like a kilometre of Flatterband at teardown, and removed a pile of pegs it was attached to, I would like to thank those buildup angels who didn't sink the pegs below ground level. You made my job a lot easier! :) [[User:Alxndr|Alxndr]] ([[User talk:Alxndr|talk]])

=== COVID19 precautions ===

* Thanks for caring about ventilation. [https://grafana.mch2022.org/d/q9gZutJ7z/mch2022?orgId=1&viewPanel=30&from=1658492800367&to=1658853839068 CO2 meters] and open sides weren't in place during the opening talk, but this was fixed quickly after and I heard the security team kept an eye on the graphs. --[[User:Juerd|Juerd]] ([[User talk:Juerd|talk]]) 20:43, 30 July 2022 (CEST)
* I liked the availability of masks and self tests for those who forgot to bring their own. I've heard about a few dozen people who got infected, but there were probably more. Thanks to the rapid tests and the heroes who chose to isolate, we may have averted a disastrous superspreading event. --[[User:Juerd|Juerd]] ([[User talk:Juerd|talk]]) 22:02, 30 July 2022 (CEST)
** Very much appreciated the easy availability of masks and rapid tests. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])
* It would have been good to switch from recommended to required mask wearing, at least indoors, once it became clear that "personal responsibility" wasn't working out (even in this community, what a disappointment). [[User:Alxndr|Alxndr]] ([[User talk:Alxndr|talk]])
** Agreeing on all points. Was also a bit disappointed. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])

=== Cohesion ===

* Put your feedback here :)

=== Content / talks / heralds / speakerdesk / AV / recordings ===

* In the end it worked pretty well, but perhaps do ponder having some "known good" presenter laptops/devices available. This has worked very well for other conferences. I used a 200 euro Chromebook with a throwaway google account. -- [[User:Ahu|Ahu]] ([[User talk:Ahu|talk]])
* This is a matter of taste - if you light up the speakers real well, the audience can enjoy a well lighted speaker. But the speaker then often can't see the audience. And during my talks, I love to actually see the audience. This was better in 2017 (at least in Abacus and Battery). -- [[User:Ahu|Ahu]] ([[User talk:Ahu|talk]])
* The speaker desk and the room to work is absolutely ACE. -- [[User:Ahu|Ahu]] ([[User talk:Ahu|talk]])

=== Decoration / design ===

* Put your feedback here :)

=== Family / kids ===

* Put your feedback here :)

=== Finance/coins/payments ===

* Payment by card worked mostly well, other than the supermarket not accepting international cards. My main issue was that the payment system was not well enough explained before the actual event! The blog post and wiki page were pretty long and still left me confused about what the actual payment system on the field was going to end up being. Even a simple "TL;DR we will use regular international payment cards with chip/contactless" would have helped me. [[User:Vurpo|Vurpo]] ([[User talk:Vurpo|talk]]) 21:04, 30 July 2022 (CEST)
* I asked at several bars and the food court where I could get the prepaid card for the MCH payment system, but nobody knew, so I ended up using my regular payment card. [[User:Alxndr|Alxndr]] ([[User talk:Alxndr|talk]]
**The MCH payment system only was operational from about day 3. - [[User:Noor|Noor]]
* I liked the idea of the cashless QR-code, especially the later upgrade to a "hard card" rather than just a stub of thermal paper. Avoids using the big payment providers and frees one of having to carry around cash. However I would've loved seeing more universal acceptance around the event (for example at the supermarket). -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])

=== Harbour / Ferry ===

* Loved the ferry service not as much as a shuttle to the other side of the water way, but as a way to enjoy some quiet time and light breeze as a way to (mentally) recharge away from the event. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])

=== Information / infodesk / wiki ===

* The infodesk should've been open for longer/as long as possible. (background: I've sat on the NOC helpdesk a bunch of times after the last infodesk angles were gone and dealt with quite a few people that were originally looking for the helpdesk; also being able to respond to infodesk calls for longer). -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])

=== Lounges ===

* Silent lounge was very well done. Nicely decorated and people behaving very considerate (i.e. really tried to be silent). No wonder that it was popular to the point where it could've used more pillows. I was worried that people would start camping inside the lounge (similar things happen at congress for example), but that didn't turn out to be true. I've seen plenty of people taking a nap away from the noise of the event, but thankfully nobody started living inside the lounge. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])
* Besides the silent lounge, I wish there were more places for people, especially for those without a village, to relax in the shade near an Ethernet port and power socket. In the harbour there was the wood table with tent roof and the bar with a couple of seats, but away from power sockets and besides that a few deckchairs. Otherwise mostly hard wooden benches without shade (and power sockets). -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])
** +1 agreed, a few dedicated shaded outdoor spots would've been nice -- [[User:SK|SK]] ([[User talk:SK|talk]])

=== Merchandise ===

* The designs look great, I'm a fan of the asymmetry and the patterned sleeves. Not being able to go a size up or down from what you ordered online was kind of disappointing. Not a major issue for myself but I know of several people who were sad about this. The [[merch exchange]] is not a great solution, but better than nothing. --[[User:Juerd|Juerd]] ([[User talk:Juerd|talk]]) 20:54, 30 July 2022 (CEST)
* Merch was great: Awesome design and high quality. Preodering saved me from having to stay in a (humongous) line in the heat. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])
* I absolutely love the hexagonal patterns and diagrams, but the amount of purple/pink was enough to keep me from buying more than a hat (that, and sizes being too big for me). - [[User:Noor|Noor]] ([[User talk:Noor|talk]])
* Nice merch, despite at first not being a fan of the design. Option to preorder is great. -- [[User:SK|SK]] ([[User talk:SK|talk]])

=== Miscellaneous ===

* Swan family was pretty relaxed with all the people and activity, camping out in the middle of the terrain. - [[User:Noor|Noor]] ([[User talk:Noor|talk]]

=== Music/laser stage / silent disco / Symphony of Fire ===

* Music stage with the flamethrowers, and Symphony of Fire were awesome. - [[User:Noor|Noor]] ([[User talk:Noor|talk]])
* Very well done. Silent disco was a neat solution to the inherent noise conflicts. What exactly is going on could have been a bit more detailed in the schedule, some people were sad they missed interesting things because they didn't realize who was playing. -- [[User:SK|SK]] ([[User talk:SK|talk]])

=== NOC / Network ===

* My SFP+ module got to stay in a datenklo. A++++ would camp again. -- [[User:Q3k|Q3k]] ([[User talk:Q3k|talk]])

=== Off-Site Logistics ===

* Put your feedback here :)

=== On-Site Logistics ===

* Put your feedback here :)

=== Other music/noise (outside the official party area) ===

* Bit torn on this one. It is a party event, but there was way too much loud music post 2 AM. Some of us do need sleep. I know, weak etc. I don't recall seeing a clear policy on what is acceptable, might be behind people feeling ok cranking up the volume after midnight. -- [[User:Ahu|Ahu]] ([[User talk:Ahu|talk]])
* The Retro Arcade area was an absolute nuisance at night. They were blasting the neighbouring villages with shitty music and drunken yelling until 2 or 3 am pretty much every day. I can think of several words for this kind of behaviour, and none of them rhyme with "excellent". [[User:Alxndr|Alxndr]] ([[User talk:Alxndr|talk]])
* It seems like while the official policy was 'no noise after 1AM', it wasn't actively enforced for most cases - and I think that enabled people to also treat it a bit more like a hint rather than a rule? Perhaps for future events we should have numerical 'loudness' scores for all fields, forming a gradient, with a higher score letting people be louder and party later, and actually enforce that. That way loud people can camp in loud villages, while those who need peace and quiet can camp in quiet villages. -- [[User:Q3k|Q3k]] ([[User talk:Q3k|talk]])
** I think this was sort-of implemented based on village input, but the usual event fields are just a bit too small for that to work reliably -- [[User:SK|SK]] ([[User talk:SK|talk]])
* This was both badly communicated (FAQ said "until midnight", apparently the actual rule was from 1 am?) and not usefully enforced. Arcade area right next to family village especially apparently could do whatever they wanted. This makes awesome ideas like silent disco for the "official" music stage sadly quite moot. -- [[User:SK|SK]] ([[User talk:SK|talk]])
* second-hand, but if security (i.e. the contact listed for noise complaints on the front page of this wiki!) really responded to calls about this with "don't call us unless there's an actual emergency" some rules seriously need to be re-established -- [[User:SK|SK]] ([[User talk:SK|talk]])
* at the same time small villages further into the "louder sector" (i.e. away from family/silent camping) were told off for having any music on low volume -- [[User:SK|SK]] ([[User talk:SK|talk]])

=== POC / Dect / Fieldphones ===
* I couldn't find advance information as to when the phone / DECT network would be shut off on the wiki, having such information would be useful (but I may just have been looking in the wrong place) -- [[User:Pinoaffe|Pinoaffe]] ([[User talk:Pinoaffe|talk]])
* DECT coverage was great around the whole camp area. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])
* DECT self-registration worked great (have been used to it for a while now from congress). -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])

=== Parcel deliveries ===
* Many people that ordered things to the field were (seemingly) unaware of how parcel deliveries were supposed to work. This caused unnecessary overhead. -- [[User:Pinoaffe|Pinoaffe]] ([[User talk:Pinoaffe|talk]])
* Collaborating with C3Post may be worthwhile for a next event, though they may not want to deal with large packages. -- [[User:Pinoaffe|Pinoaffe]] ([[User talk:Pinoaffe|talk]])
** Delivering anything of real value sounds like a bad idea (on big events). Besides being way more effort than postcards, parcels (pending delivery) would require (secure-ish) storage space while not out for relivery or if the first delivery attempt failed. We'd also need extra couriers and not hand deliveries out to random passing-by hackers, which also leaks the info on the parcel (such as tracking numbers) to said random hackers. Also some postcards just got lost/didn't get delivered, which would be a real issue with parcels. -- [[User:Trilader|Trilader]] ([[User talk:Trilader|talk]])

=== Press / Media coverage ===

* Put your feedback here :)

=== Productiehuis / C3VOC ===
* MOST EXCELLENT WORK!! -- [[User:Ahu|Ahu]] ([[User talk:Ahu|talk]])
* The video-quality of the (few) talks I watched online was good, and I saw some nice fade effects. [[User:Fhp|Fhp]] ([[User talk:Fhp|talk]])
* The hard cutoff of the intro tune annoys me every time. [[User:Fhp|Fhp]] ([[User talk:Fhp|talk]])

=== Projectleiding ===

* Put your feedback here :)

=== ROC ===

* Put your feedback here :)

=== Safety / stewards / first aid / Fire Marshalls ===

* Phone numbers or other contact information was hard to find at the beginning of the event, added to the wiki later. --[[User:Juerd|Juerd]] ([[User talk:Juerd|talk]]) 20:47, 30 July 2022 (CEST)
* There were no backup mobile phone numbers (at least none published) for reaching the safety teams in case of infrastructure outage, and they were unreachable when the network was down. --[[User:Juerd|Juerd]] ([[User talk:Juerd|talk]]) 20:47, 30 July 2022 (CEST)
* Security: Bike path was open to all, so technically anyone could get on the terrain without a ticket. Which meant at least a few unwelcome visitors. - [[User:Noor|Noor]] ([[User talk:Noor|talk]])

=== Shuttle services (train station, and luggage on site) ===

* Shuttle drop-off point on field should have been marked somewhere on the maps or wiki, during build-up. I spent forever asking around trying to find the drop-off point, only to find it at heaven. - [[User:Noor|Noor]] ([[User talk:Noor|talk]])

=== Supermarket ===

* The supermarket was a really valuable addition to the event, and probably saved lots of fuel and time for people. I found the prices acceptable, and the choice of products was surprisingly broad! --[[User:Juerd|Juerd]] ([[User talk:Juerd|talk]]) 20:47, 30 July 2022 (CEST)
* Supermarket was a great thing and I hope we'll have it at the next event. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])
* Supermarket was wonderful, it felt like being back in civilization again and I could just zip inside to get a drink or breakfast for the next morning. - [[User:Noor|Noor]] ([[User talk:Noor|talk]])

=== Sysadmin / bofh ===

* Having had to deal with the crumbling of central infrastructure in other events, I really appreciated the stability of the wiki and Engelsystem before and throughout the event. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])

=== Terrain ===

* The western way to quiet camping was not accessible: so narrow that you can only go one way at a time and a huge log being in the way.

=== Ticket and Entrance ===

* Put your feedback here :)

=== Toilets / Showers ===

* The maintenance crew for the toilets/showers did a great job, IMHO, those facilities where usually in very good shape. [[User:Alxndr|Alxndr]] ([[User talk:Alxndr|talk]])
* Easily the best showers of any hacker camp I've been to. -- [[User:Q3k|Q3k]] ([[User talk:Q3k|talk]])
* There should have been showers closer to the quiet camping area. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])

=== Villages ===

* Put your feedback here :)

=== Village tent/furniture rental (Moebelhaus) ===

* Our tent ended up being rotated by pi/2 compared to the map. This ended up totally throwing off what we were planning. We managed regardless, but it'd be great if in the future these maps would actually reflect reality :). -- [[User:Q3k|Q3k]] ([[User talk:Q3k|talk]])
* Our tent was leaking, especially on the connector between modules. -- [[User:Q3k|Q3k]] ([[User talk:Q3k|talk]])

=== Visitors ===

* Most visitors were excellent, as always. But in the next few years when thinking of the next event, we should probably talk about people who I guess must be new to this community, that are incredibly lax with the photo/filming policy, and behave like consumers instead of participants. --[[User:Juerd|Juerd]] ([[User talk:Juerd|talk]]) 20:49, 30 July 2022 (CEST)

=== Volunteering / Angels ===

* Providing the angels with reusable water bottles was a very good idea. [[User:Alxndr|Alxndr]] ([[User talk:Alxndr|talk]])
** Agreed -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])

==== Volunteering ====

* Put your feedback here :)

==== Angel Food ====

* My only complaint about Mecklenb[öoøu]rg(er)? is that I still don't know how to spell their name. The food is wonderful, the people are great too! --[[User:Juerd|Juerd]] ([[User talk:Juerd|talk]]) 20:51, 30 July 2022 (CEST)
* The food was great, as always :) -- [[User:Pinoaffe|Pinoaffe]] ([[User talk:Pinoaffe|talk]])
* The angel food was incredible. One of the highlights of this event. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])
* Angel food was mostly great, except for the dinner on day 0 and some dishes otherwise. I'd also have appreciated some sort of meat at least every other day. - [[User:Noor|Noor]] ([[User talk:Noor|talk]])

==== Angel desk and Angel system ====

* I'd really like it if the Engelsystem alert emails contained the actual update in the email content. I'd get spammed with email notifications and if I wanted to actually read the update, I'd have to click through and login to the Engelsystem. I just ended up leaving most of those updates unread throughout the day. - [[User:Noor|Noor]] ([[User talk:Noor|talk]])

==== Heaven ====

* Put your feedback here :)

=== Warehouse ===

* Put your feedback here :)

=== Waste / garbage / trash ===

* Slightly sad that trash was just split into “glass” and “everything else”. It'd be nice if we could at least recycle cardboard/paper! -- [[User:Q3k|Q3k]] ([[User talk:Q3k|talk]])
** Agreed. Throwing everything into the "Other Waste" containers felt wrong. I understand this was on the waste company dropping the ball. Let's make sure this won't happen at the next event. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])
* an awful lot of mate etc bottles ended up in glass trash I think - the later-deployed bottle collection crates helped with that -- [[User:SK|SK]] ([[User talk:SK|talk]])

Feedback

2022-07-30T23:04:22Z

SK: /* Music/laser stage / silent disco / Symphony of Fire */

== Posted reviews, media, blogs/vlogs, photo collections, etc ==

Please post these on the [[memories]] page.

== How to post feedback ==

First of all, let's talk about negativity bias a bit. Please make sure to post a fair balance between positive and negative feedback. Feedback about what went wrong is important, but feedback about what went right is even more important. Do share your negativity, but please be kind and remember we're a bunch of volunteers. To thrive and continue to organize these events, we need a certain amount of positivity, preferably a list of the very specific things you loved and would like to experience again!

<nowiki>Please add your feedback below. Use * to add a bullet point, *: to add an indented bullet point (adding to or replying to comment above), and -- ~~~ to sign your name. </nowiki>

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* Sample text :) -- [[User:Example user|Example user]] ([[User talk:Example user|talk]])

<nowiki>Add a subject if it isn't there yet using == subject==</nowiki>

'''Use the [edit] links next to the individual headings to reduce the likelihood of wiki edit conflicts.'''

== Topics ==

=== General / overall ===

* So happy about the progressive pride and Antifa flag on the tower

=== Arrival / departure / parking / train shuttle / luggage shuttle ===

* I was surprised twice that empty places in the field were apparently claimed. It was not clear to me that people had staked out places already on the wiki. This would seem to me one of The Most Important Things To Tell People: "whatever is on the wiki wins". Or perhaps abolish that, also fine by me, but in any case be very clear about it. I could also do with an AR app or so that shows me what people claimed :-) -- [[User:Ahu|Ahu]] ([[User talk:Ahu|talk]])

* Last day of the event felt kinda "lost" as people were beginning to tear things down from early on in the day well before the closing event. Was bit of a weird mood/feeling. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])

=== Badge ===

* Very well-made and polished badge, really surprised me with the effort put into it and its versatility! [[User:Vurpo|Vurpo]] ([[User talk:Vurpo|talk]]) 21:07, 30 July 2022 (CEST)
* The badge is really nice, but the price of MCH admission is already hindering people we'd like to reach. Perhaps do consider if we really need it. -- [[User:Ahu|Ahu]] ([[User talk:Ahu|talk]])
* Awesome badge, I had a lot of fun tinkering with it during camp and always received helpful advice in the IRC channel. Please keep this project going! [[User:Alxndr|Alxndr]] ([[User talk:Alxndr|talk]])

=== Bars and food court ===

* The capacity of the food-stands was quite low, which resulted in long waiting times. Not good with hungry kids. [[User:Fhp|Fhp]] ([[User talk:Fhp|talk]])
* Agree with above: low capacity for the commercial food stands. They also didn't seem to grasp the concept of 'lunch'. I expected them to be up and running around 13.00, but most of them weren't, resulting in even longer lines at the places that were open earlier. -- [[User:Dany|Dany]] ([[User talk:Dany|talk]])
* The food stands I've visited (Wok, Fries) had poor in-person advertising of everything that they were actually selling and how much it cost. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])
=== Buildup and teardown ===

* As one of the persons who collected what felt like a kilometre of Flatterband at teardown, and removed a pile of pegs it was attached to, I would like to thank those buildup angels who didn't sink the pegs below ground level. You made my job a lot easier! :) [[User:Alxndr|Alxndr]] ([[User talk:Alxndr|talk]])

=== COVID19 precautions ===

* Thanks for caring about ventilation. [https://grafana.mch2022.org/d/q9gZutJ7z/mch2022?orgId=1&viewPanel=30&from=1658492800367&to=1658853839068 CO2 meters] and open sides weren't in place during the opening talk, but this was fixed quickly after and I heard the security team kept an eye on the graphs. --[[User:Juerd|Juerd]] ([[User talk:Juerd|talk]]) 20:43, 30 July 2022 (CEST)
* I liked the availability of masks and self tests for those who forgot to bring their own. I've heard about a few dozen people who got infected, but there were probably more. Thanks to the rapid tests and the heroes who chose to isolate, we may have averted a disastrous superspreading event. --[[User:Juerd|Juerd]] ([[User talk:Juerd|talk]]) 22:02, 30 July 2022 (CEST)
** Very much appreciated the easy availability of masks and rapid tests. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])
* It would have been good to switch from recommended to required mask wearing, at least indoors, once it became clear that "personal responsibility" wasn't working out (even in this community, what a disappointment). [[User:Alxndr|Alxndr]] ([[User talk:Alxndr|talk]])
** Agreeing on all points. Was also a bit disappointed. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])

=== Cohesion ===

* Put your feedback here :)

=== Content / talks / heralds / speakerdesk / AV / recordings ===

* In the end it worked pretty well, but perhaps do ponder having some "known good" presenter laptops/devices available. This has worked very well for other conferences. I used a 200 euro Chromebook with a throwaway google account. -- [[User:Ahu|Ahu]] ([[User talk:Ahu|talk]])
* This is a matter of taste - if you light up the speakers real well, the audience can enjoy a well lighted speaker. But the speaker then often can't see the audience. And during my talks, I love to actually see the audience. This was better in 2017 (at least in Abacus and Battery). -- [[User:Ahu|Ahu]] ([[User talk:Ahu|talk]])
* The speaker desk and the room to work is absolutely ACE. -- [[User:Ahu|Ahu]] ([[User talk:Ahu|talk]])

=== Decoration / design ===

* Put your feedback here :)

=== Family / kids ===

* Put your feedback here :)

=== Finance/coins/payments ===

* Payment by card worked mostly well, other than the supermarket not accepting international cards. My main issue was that the payment system was not well enough explained before the actual event! The blog post and wiki page were pretty long and still left me confused about what the actual payment system on the field was going to end up being. Even a simple "TL;DR we will use regular international payment cards with chip/contactless" would have helped me. [[User:Vurpo|Vurpo]] ([[User talk:Vurpo|talk]]) 21:04, 30 July 2022 (CEST)
* I asked at several bars and the food court where I could get the prepaid card for the MCH payment system, but nobody knew, so I ended up using my regular payment card. [[User:Alxndr|Alxndr]] ([[User talk:Alxndr|talk]]
**The MCH payment system only was operational from about day 3. - [[User:Noor|Noor]]
* I liked the idea of the cashless QR-code, especially the later upgrade to a "hard card" rather than just a stub of thermal paper. Avoids using the big payment providers and frees one of having to carry around cash. However I would've loved seeing more universal acceptance around the event (for example at the supermarket). -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])

=== Harbour / Ferry ===

* Loved the ferry service not as much as a shuttle to the other side of the water way, but as a way to enjoy some quiet time and light breeze as a way to (mentally) recharge away from the event. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])

=== Information / infodesk / wiki ===

* The infodesk should've been open for longer/as long as possible. (background: I've sat on the NOC helpdesk a bunch of times after the last infodesk angles were gone and dealt with quite a few people that were originally looking for the helpdesk; also being able to respond to infodesk calls for longer). -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])

=== Lounges ===

* Silent lounge was very well done. Nicely decorated and people behaving very considerate (i.e. really tried to be silent). No wonder that it was popular to the point where it could've used more pillows. I was worried that people would start camping inside the lounge (similar things happen at congress for example), but that didn't turn out to be true. I've seen plenty of people taking a nap away from the noise of the event, but thankfully nobody started living inside the lounge. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])
* Besides the silent lounge, I wish there were more places for people, especially for those without a village, to relax in the shade near an Ethernet port and power socket. In the harbour there was the wood table with tent roof and the bar with a couple of seats, but away from power sockets and besides that a few deckchairs. Otherwise mostly hard wooden benches without shade (and power sockets). -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])

=== Merchandise ===

* The designs look great, I'm a fan of the asymmetry and the patterned sleeves. Not being able to go a size up or down from what you ordered online was kind of disappointing. Not a major issue for myself but I know of several people who were sad about this. The [[merch exchange]] is not a great solution, but better than nothing. --[[User:Juerd|Juerd]] ([[User talk:Juerd|talk]]) 20:54, 30 July 2022 (CEST)
* Merch was great: Awesome design and high quality. Preodering saved me from having to stay in a (humongous) line in the heat. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])
* I absolutely love the hexagonal patterns and diagrams, but the amount of purple/pink was enough to keep me from buying more than a hat (that, and sizes being too big for me). - [[User:Noor|Noor]] ([[User talk:Noor|talk]])
* Nice merch, despite at first not being a fan of the design. Option to preorder is great. -- [[User:SK|SK]] ([[User talk:SK|talk]])

=== Miscellaneous ===

* Swan family was pretty relaxed with all the people and activity, camping out in the middle of the terrain. - [[User:Noor|Noor]] ([[User talk:Noor|talk]]

=== Music/laser stage / silent disco / Symphony of Fire ===

* Music stage with the flamethrowers, and Symphony of Fire were awesome. - [[User:Noor|Noor]] ([[User talk:Noor|talk]])
* Very well done. Silent disco was a neat solution to the inherent noise conflicts. What exactly is going on could have been a bit more detailed in the schedule, some people were sad they missed interesting things because they didn't realize who was playing. -- [[User:SK|SK]] ([[User talk:SK|talk]])

=== NOC / Network ===

* My SFP+ module got to stay in a datenklo. A++++ would camp again. -- [[User:Q3k|Q3k]] ([[User talk:Q3k|talk]])

=== Off-Site Logistics ===

* Put your feedback here :)

=== On-Site Logistics ===

* Put your feedback here :)

=== Other music/noise (outside the official party area) ===

* Bit torn on this one. It is a party event, but there was way too much loud music post 2 AM. Some of us do need sleep. I know, weak etc. I don't recall seeing a clear policy on what is acceptable, might be behind people feeling ok cranking up the volume after midnight. -- [[User:Ahu|Ahu]] ([[User talk:Ahu|talk]])
* The Retro Arcade area was an absolute nuisance at night. They were blasting the neighbouring villages with shitty music and drunken yelling until 2 or 3 am pretty much every day. I can think of several words for this kind of behaviour, and none of them rhyme with "excellent". [[User:Alxndr|Alxndr]] ([[User talk:Alxndr|talk]])
* It seems like while the official policy was 'no noise after 1AM', it wasn't actively enforced for most cases - and I think that enabled people to also treat it a bit more like a hint rather than a rule? Perhaps for future events we should have numerical 'loudness' scores for all fields, forming a gradient, with a higher score letting people be louder and party later, and actually enforce that. That way loud people can camp in loud villages, while those who need peace and quiet can camp in quiet villages. -- [[User:Q3k|Q3k]] ([[User talk:Q3k|talk]])
** I think this was sort-of implemented based on village input, but the usual event fields are just a bit too small for that to work reliably -- [[User:SK|SK]] ([[User talk:SK|talk]])
* This was both badly communicated (FAQ said "until midnight", apparently the actual rule was from 1 am?) and not usefully enforced. Arcade area right next to family village especially apparently could do whatever they wanted. This makes awesome ideas like silent disco for the "official" music stage sadly quite moot. -- [[User:SK|SK]] ([[User talk:SK|talk]])
* second-hand, but if security (i.e. the contact listed for noise complaints on the front page of this wiki!) really responded to calls about this with "don't call us unless there's an actual emergency" some rules seriously need to be re-established -- [[User:SK|SK]] ([[User talk:SK|talk]])
* at the same time small villages further into the "louder sector" (i.e. away from family/silent camping) were told off for having any music on low volume -- [[User:SK|SK]] ([[User talk:SK|talk]])

=== POC / Dect / Fieldphones ===
* I couldn't find advance information as to when the phone / DECT network would be shut off on the wiki, having such information would be useful (but I may just have been looking in the wrong place) -- [[User:Pinoaffe|Pinoaffe]] ([[User talk:Pinoaffe|talk]])
* DECT coverage was great around the whole camp area. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])
* DECT self-registration worked great (have been used to it for a while now from congress). -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])

=== Parcel deliveries ===
* Many people that ordered things to the field were (seemingly) unaware of how parcel deliveries were supposed to work. This caused unnecessary overhead. -- [[User:Pinoaffe|Pinoaffe]] ([[User talk:Pinoaffe|talk]])
* Collaborating with C3Post may be worthwhile for a next event, though they may not want to deal with large packages. -- [[User:Pinoaffe|Pinoaffe]] ([[User talk:Pinoaffe|talk]])
** Delivering anything of real value sounds like a bad idea (on big events). Besides being way more effort than postcards, parcels (pending delivery) would require (secure-ish) storage space while not out for relivery or if the first delivery attempt failed. We'd also need extra couriers and not hand deliveries out to random passing-by hackers, which also leaks the info on the parcel (such as tracking numbers) to said random hackers. Also some postcards just got lost/didn't get delivered, which would be a real issue with parcels. -- [[User:Trilader|Trilader]] ([[User talk:Trilader|talk]])

=== Press / Media coverage ===

* Put your feedback here :)

=== Productiehuis / C3VOC ===
* MOST EXCELLENT WORK!! -- [[User:Ahu|Ahu]] ([[User talk:Ahu|talk]])
* The video-quality of the (few) talks I watched online was good, and I saw some nice fade effects. [[User:Fhp|Fhp]] ([[User talk:Fhp|talk]])
* The hard cutoff of the intro tune annoys me every time. [[User:Fhp|Fhp]] ([[User talk:Fhp|talk]])

=== Projectleiding ===

* Put your feedback here :)

=== ROC ===

* Put your feedback here :)

=== Safety / stewards / first aid / Fire Marshalls ===

* Phone numbers or other contact information was hard to find at the beginning of the event, added to the wiki later. --[[User:Juerd|Juerd]] ([[User talk:Juerd|talk]]) 20:47, 30 July 2022 (CEST)
* There were no backup mobile phone numbers (at least none published) for reaching the safety teams in case of infrastructure outage, and they were unreachable when the network was down. --[[User:Juerd|Juerd]] ([[User talk:Juerd|talk]]) 20:47, 30 July 2022 (CEST)
* Security: Bike path was open to all, so technically anyone could get on the terrain without a ticket. Which meant at least a few unwelcome visitors. - [[User:Noor|Noor]] ([[User talk:Noor|talk]])

=== Shuttle services (train station, and luggage on site) ===

* Shuttle drop-off point on field should have been marked somewhere on the maps or wiki, during build-up. I spent forever asking around trying to find the drop-off point, only to find it at heaven. - [[User:Noor|Noor]] ([[User talk:Noor|talk]])

=== Supermarket ===

* The supermarket was a really valuable addition to the event, and probably saved lots of fuel and time for people. I found the prices acceptable, and the choice of products was surprisingly broad! --[[User:Juerd|Juerd]] ([[User talk:Juerd|talk]]) 20:47, 30 July 2022 (CEST)
* Supermarket was a great thing and I hope we'll have it at the next event. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])
* Supermarket was wonderful, it felt like being back in civilization again and I could just zip inside to get a drink or breakfast for the next morning. - [[User:Noor|Noor]] ([[User talk:Noor|talk]])

=== Sysadmin / bofh ===

* Having had to deal with the crumbling of central infrastructure in other events, I really appreciated the stability of the wiki and Engelsystem before and throughout the event. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])

=== Terrain ===

* The western way to quiet camping was not accessible: so narrow that you can only go one way at a time and a huge log being in the way.

=== Ticket and Entrance ===

* Put your feedback here :)

=== Toilets / Showers ===

* The maintenance crew for the toilets/showers did a great job, IMHO, those facilities where usually in very good shape. [[User:Alxndr|Alxndr]] ([[User talk:Alxndr|talk]])
* Easily the best showers of any hacker camp I've been to. -- [[User:Q3k|Q3k]] ([[User talk:Q3k|talk]])
* There should have been showers closer to the quiet camping area. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])

=== Villages ===

* Put your feedback here :)

=== Village tent/furniture rental (Moebelhaus) ===

* Our tent ended up being rotated by pi/2 compared to the map. This ended up totally throwing off what we were planning. We managed regardless, but it'd be great if in the future these maps would actually reflect reality :). -- [[User:Q3k|Q3k]] ([[User talk:Q3k|talk]])
* Our tent was leaking, especially on the connector between modules. -- [[User:Q3k|Q3k]] ([[User talk:Q3k|talk]])

=== Visitors ===

* Most visitors were excellent, as always. But in the next few years when thinking of the next event, we should probably talk about people who I guess must be new to this community, that are incredibly lax with the photo/filming policy, and behave like consumers instead of participants. --[[User:Juerd|Juerd]] ([[User talk:Juerd|talk]]) 20:49, 30 July 2022 (CEST)

=== Volunteering / Angels ===

* Providing the angels with reusable water bottles was a very good idea. [[User:Alxndr|Alxndr]] ([[User talk:Alxndr|talk]])
** Agreed -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])

==== Volunteering ====

* Put your feedback here :)

==== Angel Food ====

* My only complaint about Mecklenb[öoøu]rg(er)? is that I still don't know how to spell their name. The food is wonderful, the people are great too! --[[User:Juerd|Juerd]] ([[User talk:Juerd|talk]]) 20:51, 30 July 2022 (CEST)
* The food was great, as always :) -- [[User:Pinoaffe|Pinoaffe]] ([[User talk:Pinoaffe|talk]])
* The angel food was incredible. One of the highlights of this event. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])
* Angel food was mostly great, except for the dinner on day 0 and some dishes otherwise. I'd also have appreciated some sort of meat at least every other day. - [[User:Noor|Noor]] ([[User talk:Noor|talk]])

==== Angel desk and Angel system ====

* I'd really like it if the Engelsystem alert emails contained the actual update in the email content. I'd get spammed with email notifications and if I wanted to actually read the update, I'd have to click through and login to the Engelsystem. I just ended up leaving most of those updates unread throughout the day. - [[User:Noor|Noor]] ([[User talk:Noor|talk]])

==== Heaven ====

* Put your feedback here :)

=== Warehouse ===

* Put your feedback here :)

=== Waste / garbage / trash ===

* Slightly sad that trash was just split into “glass” and “everything else”. It'd be nice if we could at least recycle cardboard/paper! -- [[User:Q3k|Q3k]] ([[User talk:Q3k|talk]])
** Agreed. Throwing everything into the "Other Waste" containers felt wrong. I understand this was on the waste company dropping the ball. Let's make sure this won't happen at the next event. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])
* an awful lot of mate etc bottles ended up in glass trash I think - the later-deployed bottle collection crates helped with that -- [[User:SK|SK]] ([[User talk:SK|talk]])

Feedback

2022-07-30T23:02:20Z

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== Topics ==

=== General / overall ===

* So happy about the progressive pride and Antifa flag on the tower

=== Arrival / departure / parking / train shuttle / luggage shuttle ===

* I was surprised twice that empty places in the field were apparently claimed. It was not clear to me that people had staked out places already on the wiki. This would seem to me one of The Most Important Things To Tell People: "whatever is on the wiki wins". Or perhaps abolish that, also fine by me, but in any case be very clear about it. I could also do with an AR app or so that shows me what people claimed :-) -- [[User:Ahu|Ahu]] ([[User talk:Ahu|talk]])

* Last day of the event felt kinda "lost" as people were beginning to tear things down from early on in the day well before the closing event. Was bit of a weird mood/feeling. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])

=== Badge ===

* Very well-made and polished badge, really surprised me with the effort put into it and its versatility! [[User:Vurpo|Vurpo]] ([[User talk:Vurpo|talk]]) 21:07, 30 July 2022 (CEST)
* The badge is really nice, but the price of MCH admission is already hindering people we'd like to reach. Perhaps do consider if we really need it. -- [[User:Ahu|Ahu]] ([[User talk:Ahu|talk]])
* Awesome badge, I had a lot of fun tinkering with it during camp and always received helpful advice in the IRC channel. Please keep this project going! [[User:Alxndr|Alxndr]] ([[User talk:Alxndr|talk]])

=== Bars and food court ===

* The capacity of the food-stands was quite low, which resulted in long waiting times. Not good with hungry kids. [[User:Fhp|Fhp]] ([[User talk:Fhp|talk]])
* Agree with above: low capacity for the commercial food stands. They also didn't seem to grasp the concept of 'lunch'. I expected them to be up and running around 13.00, but most of them weren't, resulting in even longer lines at the places that were open earlier. -- [[User:Dany|Dany]] ([[User talk:Dany|talk]])
* The food stands I've visited (Wok, Fries) had poor in-person advertising of everything that they were actually selling and how much it cost. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])
=== Buildup and teardown ===

* As one of the persons who collected what felt like a kilometre of Flatterband at teardown, and removed a pile of pegs it was attached to, I would like to thank those buildup angels who didn't sink the pegs below ground level. You made my job a lot easier! :) [[User:Alxndr|Alxndr]] ([[User talk:Alxndr|talk]])

=== COVID19 precautions ===

* Thanks for caring about ventilation. [https://grafana.mch2022.org/d/q9gZutJ7z/mch2022?orgId=1&viewPanel=30&from=1658492800367&to=1658853839068 CO2 meters] and open sides weren't in place during the opening talk, but this was fixed quickly after and I heard the security team kept an eye on the graphs. --[[User:Juerd|Juerd]] ([[User talk:Juerd|talk]]) 20:43, 30 July 2022 (CEST)
* I liked the availability of masks and self tests for those who forgot to bring their own. I've heard about a few dozen people who got infected, but there were probably more. Thanks to the rapid tests and the heroes who chose to isolate, we may have averted a disastrous superspreading event. --[[User:Juerd|Juerd]] ([[User talk:Juerd|talk]]) 22:02, 30 July 2022 (CEST)
** Very much appreciated the easy availability of masks and rapid tests. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])
* It would have been good to switch from recommended to required mask wearing, at least indoors, once it became clear that "personal responsibility" wasn't working out (even in this community, what a disappointment). [[User:Alxndr|Alxndr]] ([[User talk:Alxndr|talk]])
** Agreeing on all points. Was also a bit disappointed. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])

=== Cohesion ===

* Put your feedback here :)

=== Content / talks / heralds / speakerdesk / AV / recordings ===

* In the end it worked pretty well, but perhaps do ponder having some "known good" presenter laptops/devices available. This has worked very well for other conferences. I used a 200 euro Chromebook with a throwaway google account. -- [[User:Ahu|Ahu]] ([[User talk:Ahu|talk]])
* This is a matter of taste - if you light up the speakers real well, the audience can enjoy a well lighted speaker. But the speaker then often can't see the audience. And during my talks, I love to actually see the audience. This was better in 2017 (at least in Abacus and Battery). -- [[User:Ahu|Ahu]] ([[User talk:Ahu|talk]])
* The speaker desk and the room to work is absolutely ACE. -- [[User:Ahu|Ahu]] ([[User talk:Ahu|talk]])

=== Decoration / design ===

* Put your feedback here :)

=== Family / kids ===

* Put your feedback here :)

=== Finance/coins/payments ===

* Payment by card worked mostly well, other than the supermarket not accepting international cards. My main issue was that the payment system was not well enough explained before the actual event! The blog post and wiki page were pretty long and still left me confused about what the actual payment system on the field was going to end up being. Even a simple "TL;DR we will use regular international payment cards with chip/contactless" would have helped me. [[User:Vurpo|Vurpo]] ([[User talk:Vurpo|talk]]) 21:04, 30 July 2022 (CEST)
* I asked at several bars and the food court where I could get the prepaid card for the MCH payment system, but nobody knew, so I ended up using my regular payment card. [[User:Alxndr|Alxndr]] ([[User talk:Alxndr|talk]]
**The MCH payment system only was operational from about day 3. - [[User:Noor|Noor]]
* I liked the idea of the cashless QR-code, especially the later upgrade to a "hard card" rather than just a stub of thermal paper. Avoids using the big payment providers and frees one of having to carry around cash. However I would've loved seeing more universal acceptance around the event (for example at the supermarket). -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])

=== Harbour / Ferry ===

* Loved the ferry service not as much as a shuttle to the other side of the water way, but as a way to enjoy some quiet time and light breeze as a way to (mentally) recharge away from the event. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])

=== Information / infodesk / wiki ===

* The infodesk should've been open for longer/as long as possible. (background: I've sat on the NOC helpdesk a bunch of times after the last infodesk angles were gone and dealt with quite a few people that were originally looking for the helpdesk; also being able to respond to infodesk calls for longer). -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])

=== Lounges ===

* Silent lounge was very well done. Nicely decorated and people behaving very considerate (i.e. really tried to be silent). No wonder that it was popular to the point where it could've used more pillows. I was worried that people would start camping inside the lounge (similar things happen at congress for example), but that didn't turn out to be true. I've seen plenty of people taking a nap away from the noise of the event, but thankfully nobody started living inside the lounge. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])
* Besides the silent lounge, I wish there were more places for people, especially for those without a village, to relax in the shade near an Ethernet port and power socket. In the harbour there was the wood table with tent roof and the bar with a couple of seats, but away from power sockets and besides that a few deckchairs. Otherwise mostly hard wooden benches without shade (and power sockets). -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])

=== Merchandise ===

* The designs look great, I'm a fan of the asymmetry and the patterned sleeves. Not being able to go a size up or down from what you ordered online was kind of disappointing. Not a major issue for myself but I know of several people who were sad about this. The [[merch exchange]] is not a great solution, but better than nothing. --[[User:Juerd|Juerd]] ([[User talk:Juerd|talk]]) 20:54, 30 July 2022 (CEST)
* Merch was great: Awesome design and high quality. Preodering saved me from having to stay in a (humongous) line in the heat. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])
* I absolutely love the hexagonal patterns and diagrams, but the amount of purple/pink was enough to keep me from buying more than a hat (that, and sizes being too big for me). - [[User:Noor|Noor]] ([[User talk:Noor|talk]])
* Nice merch, despite at first not being a fan of the design. Option to preorder is great. -- [[User:SK|SK]] ([[User talk:SK|talk]])

=== Miscellaneous ===

* Swan family was pretty relaxed with all the people and activity, camping out in the middle of the terrain. - [[User:Noor|Noor]] ([[User talk:Noor|talk]]

=== Music/laser stage / silent disco / Symphony of Fire ===

* Music stage with the flamethrowers, and Symphony of Fire were awesome. - [[User:Noor|Noor]] ([[User talk:Noor|talk]])

=== NOC / Network ===

* My SFP+ module got to stay in a datenklo. A++++ would camp again. -- [[User:Q3k|Q3k]] ([[User talk:Q3k|talk]])

=== Off-Site Logistics ===

* Put your feedback here :)

=== On-Site Logistics ===

* Put your feedback here :)

=== Other music/noise (outside the official party area) ===

* Bit torn on this one. It is a party event, but there was way too much loud music post 2 AM. Some of us do need sleep. I know, weak etc. I don't recall seeing a clear policy on what is acceptable, might be behind people feeling ok cranking up the volume after midnight. -- [[User:Ahu|Ahu]] ([[User talk:Ahu|talk]])
* The Retro Arcade area was an absolute nuisance at night. They were blasting the neighbouring villages with shitty music and drunken yelling until 2 or 3 am pretty much every day. I can think of several words for this kind of behaviour, and none of them rhyme with "excellent". [[User:Alxndr|Alxndr]] ([[User talk:Alxndr|talk]])
* It seems like while the official policy was 'no noise after 1AM', it wasn't actively enforced for most cases - and I think that enabled people to also treat it a bit more like a hint rather than a rule? Perhaps for future events we should have numerical 'loudness' scores for all fields, forming a gradient, with a higher score letting people be louder and party later, and actually enforce that. That way loud people can camp in loud villages, while those who need peace and quiet can camp in quiet villages. -- [[User:Q3k|Q3k]] ([[User talk:Q3k|talk]])
** I think this was sort-of implemented based on village input, but the usual event fields are just a bit too small for that to work reliably -- [[User:SK|SK]] ([[User talk:SK|talk]])
* This was both badly communicated (FAQ said "until midnight", apparently the actual rule was from 1 am?) and not usefully enforced. Arcade area right next to family village especially apparently could do whatever they wanted. This makes awesome ideas like silent disco for the "official" music stage sadly quite moot. -- [[User:SK|SK]] ([[User talk:SK|talk]])
* second-hand, but if security (i.e. the contact listed for noise complaints on the front page of this wiki!) really responded to calls about this with "don't call us unless there's an actual emergency" some rules seriously need to be re-established -- [[User:SK|SK]] ([[User talk:SK|talk]])
* at the same time small villages further into the "louder sector" (i.e. away from family/silent camping) were told off for having any music on low volume -- [[User:SK|SK]] ([[User talk:SK|talk]])

=== POC / Dect / Fieldphones ===
* I couldn't find advance information as to when the phone / DECT network would be shut off on the wiki, having such information would be useful (but I may just have been looking in the wrong place) -- [[User:Pinoaffe|Pinoaffe]] ([[User talk:Pinoaffe|talk]])
* DECT coverage was great around the whole camp area. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])
* DECT self-registration worked great (have been used to it for a while now from congress). -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])

=== Parcel deliveries ===
* Many people that ordered things to the field were (seemingly) unaware of how parcel deliveries were supposed to work. This caused unnecessary overhead. -- [[User:Pinoaffe|Pinoaffe]] ([[User talk:Pinoaffe|talk]])
* Collaborating with C3Post may be worthwhile for a next event, though they may not want to deal with large packages. -- [[User:Pinoaffe|Pinoaffe]] ([[User talk:Pinoaffe|talk]])
** Delivering anything of real value sounds like a bad idea (on big events). Besides being way more effort than postcards, parcels (pending delivery) would require (secure-ish) storage space while not out for relivery or if the first delivery attempt failed. We'd also need extra couriers and not hand deliveries out to random passing-by hackers, which also leaks the info on the parcel (such as tracking numbers) to said random hackers. Also some postcards just got lost/didn't get delivered, which would be a real issue with parcels. -- [[User:Trilader|Trilader]] ([[User talk:Trilader|talk]])

=== Press / Media coverage ===

* Put your feedback here :)

=== Productiehuis / C3VOC ===
* MOST EXCELLENT WORK!! -- [[User:Ahu|Ahu]] ([[User talk:Ahu|talk]])
* The video-quality of the (few) talks I watched online was good, and I saw some nice fade effects. [[User:Fhp|Fhp]] ([[User talk:Fhp|talk]])
* The hard cutoff of the intro tune annoys me every time. [[User:Fhp|Fhp]] ([[User talk:Fhp|talk]])

=== Projectleiding ===

* Put your feedback here :)

=== ROC ===

* Put your feedback here :)

=== Safety / stewards / first aid / Fire Marshalls ===

* Phone numbers or other contact information was hard to find at the beginning of the event, added to the wiki later. --[[User:Juerd|Juerd]] ([[User talk:Juerd|talk]]) 20:47, 30 July 2022 (CEST)
* There were no backup mobile phone numbers (at least none published) for reaching the safety teams in case of infrastructure outage, and they were unreachable when the network was down. --[[User:Juerd|Juerd]] ([[User talk:Juerd|talk]]) 20:47, 30 July 2022 (CEST)
* Security: Bike path was open to all, so technically anyone could get on the terrain without a ticket. Which meant at least a few unwelcome visitors. - [[User:Noor|Noor]] ([[User talk:Noor|talk]])

=== Shuttle services (train station, and luggage on site) ===

* Shuttle drop-off point on field should have been marked somewhere on the maps or wiki, during build-up. I spent forever asking around trying to find the drop-off point, only to find it at heaven. - [[User:Noor|Noor]] ([[User talk:Noor|talk]])

=== Supermarket ===

* The supermarket was a really valuable addition to the event, and probably saved lots of fuel and time for people. I found the prices acceptable, and the choice of products was surprisingly broad! --[[User:Juerd|Juerd]] ([[User talk:Juerd|talk]]) 20:47, 30 July 2022 (CEST)
* Supermarket was a great thing and I hope we'll have it at the next event. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])
* Supermarket was wonderful, it felt like being back in civilization again and I could just zip inside to get a drink or breakfast for the next morning. - [[User:Noor|Noor]] ([[User talk:Noor|talk]])

=== Sysadmin / bofh ===

* Having had to deal with the crumbling of central infrastructure in other events, I really appreciated the stability of the wiki and Engelsystem before and throughout the event. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])

=== Terrain ===

* The western way to quiet camping was not accessible: so narrow that you can only go one way at a time and a huge log being in the way.

=== Ticket and Entrance ===

* Put your feedback here :)

=== Toilets / Showers ===

* The maintenance crew for the toilets/showers did a great job, IMHO, those facilities where usually in very good shape. [[User:Alxndr|Alxndr]] ([[User talk:Alxndr|talk]])
* Easily the best showers of any hacker camp I've been to. -- [[User:Q3k|Q3k]] ([[User talk:Q3k|talk]])
* There should have been showers closer to the quiet camping area. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])

=== Villages ===

* Put your feedback here :)

=== Village tent/furniture rental (Moebelhaus) ===

* Our tent ended up being rotated by pi/2 compared to the map. This ended up totally throwing off what we were planning. We managed regardless, but it'd be great if in the future these maps would actually reflect reality :). -- [[User:Q3k|Q3k]] ([[User talk:Q3k|talk]])
* Our tent was leaking, especially on the connector between modules. -- [[User:Q3k|Q3k]] ([[User talk:Q3k|talk]])

=== Visitors ===

* Most visitors were excellent, as always. But in the next few years when thinking of the next event, we should probably talk about people who I guess must be new to this community, that are incredibly lax with the photo/filming policy, and behave like consumers instead of participants. --[[User:Juerd|Juerd]] ([[User talk:Juerd|talk]]) 20:49, 30 July 2022 (CEST)

=== Volunteering / Angels ===

* Providing the angels with reusable water bottles was a very good idea. [[User:Alxndr|Alxndr]] ([[User talk:Alxndr|talk]])
** Agreed -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])

==== Volunteering ====

* Put your feedback here :)

==== Angel Food ====

* My only complaint about Mecklenb[öoøu]rg(er)? is that I still don't know how to spell their name. The food is wonderful, the people are great too! --[[User:Juerd|Juerd]] ([[User talk:Juerd|talk]]) 20:51, 30 July 2022 (CEST)
* The food was great, as always :) -- [[User:Pinoaffe|Pinoaffe]] ([[User talk:Pinoaffe|talk]])
* The angel food was incredible. One of the highlights of this event. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])
* Angel food was mostly great, except for the dinner on day 0 and some dishes otherwise. I'd also have appreciated some sort of meat at least every other day. - [[User:Noor|Noor]] ([[User talk:Noor|talk]])

==== Angel desk and Angel system ====

* I'd really like it if the Engelsystem alert emails contained the actual update in the email content. I'd get spammed with email notifications and if I wanted to actually read the update, I'd have to click through and login to the Engelsystem. I just ended up leaving most of those updates unread throughout the day. - [[User:Noor|Noor]] ([[User talk:Noor|talk]])

==== Heaven ====

* Put your feedback here :)

=== Warehouse ===

* Put your feedback here :)

=== Waste / garbage / trash ===

* Slightly sad that trash was just split into “glass” and “everything else”. It'd be nice if we could at least recycle cardboard/paper! -- [[User:Q3k|Q3k]] ([[User talk:Q3k|talk]])
** Agreed. Throwing everything into the "Other Waste" containers felt wrong. I understand this was on the waste company dropping the ball. Let's make sure this won't happen at the next event. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])
* an awful lot of mate etc bottles ended up in glass trash I think - the later-deployed bottle collection crates helped with that -- [[User:SK|SK]] ([[User talk:SK|talk]])

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== Topics ==

=== General / overall ===

* So happy about the progressive pride and Antifa flag on the tower

=== Arrival / departure / parking / train shuttle / luggage shuttle ===

* I was surprised twice that empty places in the field were apparently claimed. It was not clear to me that people had staked out places already on the wiki. This would seem to me one of The Most Important Things To Tell People: "whatever is on the wiki wins". Or perhaps abolish that, also fine by me, but in any case be very clear about it. I could also do with an AR app or so that shows me what people claimed :-) -- [[User:Ahu|Ahu]] ([[User talk:Ahu|talk]])

* Last day of the event felt kinda "lost" as people were beginning to tear things down from early on in the day well before the closing event. Was bit of a weird mood/feeling. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])

=== Badge ===

* Very well-made and polished badge, really surprised me with the effort put into it and its versatility! [[User:Vurpo|Vurpo]] ([[User talk:Vurpo|talk]]) 21:07, 30 July 2022 (CEST)
* The badge is really nice, but the price of MCH admission is already hindering people we'd like to reach. Perhaps do consider if we really need it. -- [[User:Ahu|Ahu]] ([[User talk:Ahu|talk]])
* Awesome badge, I had a lot of fun tinkering with it during camp and always received helpful advice in the IRC channel. Please keep this project going! [[User:Alxndr|Alxndr]] ([[User talk:Alxndr|talk]])

=== Bars and food court ===

* The capacity of the food-stands was quite low, which resulted in long waiting times. Not good with hungry kids. [[User:Fhp|Fhp]] ([[User talk:Fhp|talk]])
* Agree with above: low capacity for the commercial food stands. They also didn't seem to grasp the concept of 'lunch'. I expected them to be up and running around 13.00, but most of them weren't, resulting in even longer lines at the places that were open earlier. -- [[User:Dany|Dany]] ([[User talk:Dany|talk]])
* The food stands I've visited (Wok, Fries) had poor in-person advertising of everything that they were actually selling and how much it cost. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])
=== Buildup and teardown ===

* As one of the persons who collected what felt like a kilometre of Flatterband at teardown, and removed a pile of pegs it was attached to, I would like to thank those buildup angels who didn't sink the pegs below ground level. You made my job a lot easier! :) [[User:Alxndr|Alxndr]] ([[User talk:Alxndr|talk]])

=== COVID19 precautions ===

* Thanks for caring about ventilation. [https://grafana.mch2022.org/d/q9gZutJ7z/mch2022?orgId=1&viewPanel=30&from=1658492800367&to=1658853839068 CO2 meters] and open sides weren't in place during the opening talk, but this was fixed quickly after and I heard the security team kept an eye on the graphs. --[[User:Juerd|Juerd]] ([[User talk:Juerd|talk]]) 20:43, 30 July 2022 (CEST)
* I liked the availability of masks and self tests for those who forgot to bring their own. I've heard about a few dozen people who got infected, but there were probably more. Thanks to the rapid tests and the heroes who chose to isolate, we may have averted a disastrous superspreading event. --[[User:Juerd|Juerd]] ([[User talk:Juerd|talk]]) 22:02, 30 July 2022 (CEST)
** Very much appreciated the easy availability of masks and rapid tests. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])
* It would have been good to switch from recommended to required mask wearing, at least indoors, once it became clear that "personal responsibility" wasn't working out (even in this community, what a disappointment). [[User:Alxndr|Alxndr]] ([[User talk:Alxndr|talk]])
** Agreeing on all points. Was also a bit disappointed. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])

=== Cohesion ===

* Put your feedback here :)

=== Content / talks / heralds / speakerdesk / AV / recordings ===

* In the end it worked pretty well, but perhaps do ponder having some "known good" presenter laptops/devices available. This has worked very well for other conferences. I used a 200 euro Chromebook with a throwaway google account. -- [[User:Ahu|Ahu]] ([[User talk:Ahu|talk]])
* This is a matter of taste - if you light up the speakers real well, the audience can enjoy a well lighted speaker. But the speaker then often can't see the audience. And during my talks, I love to actually see the audience. This was better in 2017 (at least in Abacus and Battery). -- [[User:Ahu|Ahu]] ([[User talk:Ahu|talk]])
* The speaker desk and the room to work is absolutely ACE. -- [[User:Ahu|Ahu]] ([[User talk:Ahu|talk]])

=== Decoration / design ===

* Put your feedback here :)

=== Family / kids ===

* Put your feedback here :)

=== Finance/coins/payments ===

* Payment by card worked mostly well, other than the supermarket not accepting international cards. My main issue was that the payment system was not well enough explained before the actual event! The blog post and wiki page were pretty long and still left me confused about what the actual payment system on the field was going to end up being. Even a simple "TL;DR we will use regular international payment cards with chip/contactless" would have helped me. [[User:Vurpo|Vurpo]] ([[User talk:Vurpo|talk]]) 21:04, 30 July 2022 (CEST)
* I asked at several bars and the food court where I could get the prepaid card for the MCH payment system, but nobody knew, so I ended up using my regular payment card. [[User:Alxndr|Alxndr]] ([[User talk:Alxndr|talk]]
**The MCH payment system only was operational from about day 3. - [[User:Noor|Noor]]
* I liked the idea of the cashless QR-code, especially the later upgrade to a "hard card" rather than just a stub of thermal paper. Avoids using the big payment providers and frees one of having to carry around cash. However I would've loved seeing more universal acceptance around the event (for example at the supermarket). -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])

=== Harbour / Ferry ===

* Loved the ferry service not as much as a shuttle to the other side of the water way, but as a way to enjoy some quiet time and light breeze as a way to (mentally) recharge away from the event. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])

=== Information / infodesk / wiki ===

* The infodesk should've been open for longer/as long as possible. (background: I've sat on the NOC helpdesk a bunch of times after the last infodesk angles were gone and dealt with quite a few people that were originally looking for the helpdesk; also being able to respond to infodesk calls for longer). -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])

=== Lounges ===

* Silent lounge was very well done. Nicely decorated and people behaving very considerate (i.e. really tried to be silent). No wonder that it was popular to the point where it could've used more pillows. I was worried that people would start camping inside the lounge (similar things happen at congress for example), but that didn't turn out to be true. I've seen plenty of people taking a nap away from the noise of the event, but thankfully nobody started living inside the lounge. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])
* Besides the silent lounge, I wish there were more places for people, especially for those without a village, to relax in the shade near an Ethernet port and power socket. In the harbour there was the wood table with tent roof and the bar with a couple of seats, but away from power sockets and besides that a few deckchairs. Otherwise mostly hard wooden benches without shade (and power sockets). -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])

=== Merchandise ===

* The designs look great, I'm a fan of the asymmetry and the patterned sleeves. Not being able to go a size up or down from what you ordered online was kind of disappointing. Not a major issue for myself but I know of several people who were sad about this. The [[merch exchange]] is not a great solution, but better than nothing. --[[User:Juerd|Juerd]] ([[User talk:Juerd|talk]]) 20:54, 30 July 2022 (CEST)
* Merch was great: Awesome design and high quality. Preodering saved me from having to stay in a (humongous) line in the heat. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])
* I absolutely love the hexagonal patterns and diagrams, but the amount of purple/pink was enough to keep me from buying more than a hat (that, and sizes being too big for me). - [[User:Noor|Noor]] ([[User talk:Noor|talk]])

=== Miscellaneous ===

* Swan family was pretty relaxed with all the people and activity, camping out in the middle of the terrain. - [[User:Noor|Noor]] ([[User talk:Noor|talk]]

=== Music/laser stage / silent disco / Symphony of Fire ===

* Music stage with the flamethrowers, and Symphony of Fire were awesome. - [[User:Noor|Noor]] ([[User talk:Noor|talk]])

=== NOC / Network ===

* My SFP+ module got to stay in a datenklo. A++++ would camp again. -- [[User:Q3k|Q3k]] ([[User talk:Q3k|talk]])

=== Off-Site Logistics ===

* Put your feedback here :)

=== On-Site Logistics ===

* Put your feedback here :)

=== Other music/noise (outside the official party area) ===

* Bit torn on this one. It is a party event, but there was way too much loud music post 2 AM. Some of us do need sleep. I know, weak etc. I don't recall seeing a clear policy on what is acceptable, might be behind people feeling ok cranking up the volume after midnight. -- [[User:Ahu|Ahu]] ([[User talk:Ahu|talk]])
* The Retro Arcade area was an absolute nuisance at night. They were blasting the neighbouring villages with shitty music and drunken yelling until 2 or 3 am pretty much every day. I can think of several words for this kind of behaviour, and none of them rhyme with "excellent". [[User:Alxndr|Alxndr]] ([[User talk:Alxndr|talk]])
* It seems like while the official policy was 'no noise after 1AM', it wasn't actively enforced for most cases - and I think that enabled people to also treat it a bit more like a hint rather than a rule? Perhaps for future events we should have numerical 'loudness' scores for all fields, forming a gradient, with a higher score letting people be louder and party later, and actually enforce that. That way loud people can camp in loud villages, while those who need peace and quiet can camp in quiet villages. -- [[User:Q3k|Q3k]] ([[User talk:Q3k|talk]])
** I think this was sort-of implemented based on village input, but the usual event fields are just a bit too small for that to work reliably -- [[User:SK|SK]] ([[User talk:SK|talk]])
* This was both badly communicated (FAQ said "until midnight", apparently the actual rule was from 1 am?) and not usefully enforced. Arcade area right next to family village especially apparently could do whatever they wanted. This makes awesome ideas like silent disco for the "official" music stage sadly quite moot. -- [[User:SK|SK]] ([[User talk:SK|talk]])
* second-hand, but if security (i.e. the contact listed for noise complaints on the front page of this wiki!) really responded to calls about this with "don't call us unless there's an actual emergency" some rules seriously need to be re-established -- [[User:SK|SK]] ([[User talk:SK|talk]])
* at the same time small villages further into the "louder sector" (i.e. away from family/silent camping) were told off for having any music on low volume -- [[User:SK|SK]] ([[User talk:SK|talk]])

=== POC / Dect / Fieldphones ===
* I couldn't find advance information as to when the phone / DECT network would be shut off on the wiki, having such information would be useful (but I may just have been looking in the wrong place) -- [[User:Pinoaffe|Pinoaffe]] ([[User talk:Pinoaffe|talk]])
* DECT coverage was great around the whole camp area. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])
* DECT self-registration worked great (have been used to it for a while now from congress). -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])

=== Parcel deliveries ===
* Many people that ordered things to the field were (seemingly) unaware of how parcel deliveries were supposed to work. This caused unnecessary overhead. -- [[User:Pinoaffe|Pinoaffe]] ([[User talk:Pinoaffe|talk]])
* Collaborating with C3Post may be worthwhile for a next event, though they may not want to deal with large packages. -- [[User:Pinoaffe|Pinoaffe]] ([[User talk:Pinoaffe|talk]])
** Delivering anything of real value sounds like a bad idea (on big events). Besides being way more effort than postcards, parcels (pending delivery) would require (secure-ish) storage space while not out for relivery or if the first delivery attempt failed. We'd also need extra couriers and not hand deliveries out to random passing-by hackers, which also leaks the info on the parcel (such as tracking numbers) to said random hackers. Also some postcards just got lost/didn't get delivered, which would be a real issue with parcels. -- [[User:Trilader|Trilader]] ([[User talk:Trilader|talk]])

=== Press / Media coverage ===

* Put your feedback here :)

=== Productiehuis / C3VOC ===
* MOST EXCELLENT WORK!! -- [[User:Ahu|Ahu]] ([[User talk:Ahu|talk]])
* The video-quality of the (few) talks I watched online was good, and I saw some nice fade effects. [[User:Fhp|Fhp]] ([[User talk:Fhp|talk]])
* The hard cutoff of the intro tune annoys me every time. [[User:Fhp|Fhp]] ([[User talk:Fhp|talk]])

=== Projectleiding ===

* Put your feedback here :)

=== ROC ===

* Put your feedback here :)

=== Safety / stewards / first aid / Fire Marshalls ===

* Phone numbers or other contact information was hard to find at the beginning of the event, added to the wiki later. --[[User:Juerd|Juerd]] ([[User talk:Juerd|talk]]) 20:47, 30 July 2022 (CEST)
* There were no backup mobile phone numbers (at least none published) for reaching the safety teams in case of infrastructure outage, and they were unreachable when the network was down. --[[User:Juerd|Juerd]] ([[User talk:Juerd|talk]]) 20:47, 30 July 2022 (CEST)
* Security: Bike path was open to all, so technically anyone could get on the terrain without a ticket. Which meant at least a few unwelcome visitors. - [[User:Noor|Noor]] ([[User talk:Noor|talk]])

=== Shuttle services (train station, and luggage on site) ===

* Shuttle drop-off point on field should have been marked somewhere on the maps or wiki, during build-up. I spent forever asking around trying to find the drop-off point, only to find it at heaven. - [[User:Noor|Noor]] ([[User talk:Noor|talk]])

=== Supermarket ===

* The supermarket was a really valuable addition to the event, and probably saved lots of fuel and time for people. I found the prices acceptable, and the choice of products was surprisingly broad! --[[User:Juerd|Juerd]] ([[User talk:Juerd|talk]]) 20:47, 30 July 2022 (CEST)
* Supermarket was a great thing and I hope we'll have it at the next event. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])
* Supermarket was wonderful, it felt like being back in civilization again and I could just zip inside to get a drink or breakfast for the next morning. - [[User:Noor|Noor]] ([[User talk:Noor|talk]])

=== Sysadmin / bofh ===

* Having had to deal with the crumbling of central infrastructure in other events, I really appreciated the stability of the wiki and Engelsystem before and throughout the event. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])

=== Terrain ===

* The western way to quiet camping was not accessible: so narrow that you can only go one way at a time and a huge log being in the way.

=== Ticket and Entrance ===

* Put your feedback here :)

=== Toilets / Showers ===

* The maintenance crew for the toilets/showers did a great job, IMHO, those facilities where usually in very good shape. [[User:Alxndr|Alxndr]] ([[User talk:Alxndr|talk]])
* Easily the best showers of any hacker camp I've been to. -- [[User:Q3k|Q3k]] ([[User talk:Q3k|talk]])
* There should have been showers closer to the quiet camping area. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])

=== Villages ===

* Put your feedback here :)

=== Village tent/furniture rental (Moebelhaus) ===

* Our tent ended up being rotated by pi/2 compared to the map. This ended up totally throwing off what we were planning. We managed regardless, but it'd be great if in the future these maps would actually reflect reality :). -- [[User:Q3k|Q3k]] ([[User talk:Q3k|talk]])
* Our tent was leaking, especially on the connector between modules. -- [[User:Q3k|Q3k]] ([[User talk:Q3k|talk]])

=== Visitors ===

* Most visitors were excellent, as always. But in the next few years when thinking of the next event, we should probably talk about people who I guess must be new to this community, that are incredibly lax with the photo/filming policy, and behave like consumers instead of participants. --[[User:Juerd|Juerd]] ([[User talk:Juerd|talk]]) 20:49, 30 July 2022 (CEST)

=== Volunteering / Angels ===

* Providing the angels with reusable water bottles was a very good idea. [[User:Alxndr|Alxndr]] ([[User talk:Alxndr|talk]])
** Agreed -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])

==== Volunteering ====

* Put your feedback here :)

==== Angel Food ====

* My only complaint about Mecklenb[öoøu]rg(er)? is that I still don't know how to spell their name. The food is wonderful, the people are great too! --[[User:Juerd|Juerd]] ([[User talk:Juerd|talk]]) 20:51, 30 July 2022 (CEST)
* The food was great, as always :) -- [[User:Pinoaffe|Pinoaffe]] ([[User talk:Pinoaffe|talk]])
* The angel food was incredible. One of the highlights of this event. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])
* Angel food was mostly great, except for the dinner on day 0 and some dishes otherwise. I'd also have appreciated some sort of meat at least every other day. - [[User:Noor|Noor]] ([[User talk:Noor|talk]])

==== Angel desk and Angel system ====

* I'd really like it if the Engelsystem alert emails contained the actual update in the email content. I'd get spammed with email notifications and if I wanted to actually read the update, I'd have to click through and login to the Engelsystem. I just ended up leaving most of those updates unread throughout the day. - [[User:Noor|Noor]] ([[User talk:Noor|talk]])

==== Heaven ====

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=== Warehouse ===

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=== Waste / garbage / trash ===

* Slightly sad that trash was just split into “glass” and “everything else”. It'd be nice if we could at least recycle cardboard/paper! -- [[User:Q3k|Q3k]] ([[User talk:Q3k|talk]])
** Agreed. Throwing everything into the "Other Waste" containers felt wrong. I understand this was on the waste company dropping the ball. Let's make sure this won't happen at the next event. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])
* an awful lot of mate etc bottles ended up in glass trash I think - the later-deployed bottle collection crates helped with that -- [[User:SK|SK]] ([[User talk:SK|talk]])

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2022-07-30T22:52:20Z

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== Topics ==

=== General / overall ===

* So happy about the progressive pride and Antifa flag on the tower

=== Arrival / departure / parking / train shuttle / luggage shuttle ===

* I was surprised twice that empty places in the field were apparently claimed. It was not clear to me that people had staked out places already on the wiki. This would seem to me one of The Most Important Things To Tell People: "whatever is on the wiki wins". Or perhaps abolish that, also fine by me, but in any case be very clear about it. I could also do with an AR app or so that shows me what people claimed :-) -- [[User:Ahu|Ahu]] ([[User talk:Ahu|talk]])

* Last day of the event felt kinda "lost" as people were beginning to tear things down from early on in the day well before the closing event. Was bit of a weird mood/feeling. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])

=== Badge ===

* Very well-made and polished badge, really surprised me with the effort put into it and its versatility! [[User:Vurpo|Vurpo]] ([[User talk:Vurpo|talk]]) 21:07, 30 July 2022 (CEST)
* The badge is really nice, but the price of MCH admission is already hindering people we'd like to reach. Perhaps do consider if we really need it. -- [[User:Ahu|Ahu]] ([[User talk:Ahu|talk]])
* Awesome badge, I had a lot of fun tinkering with it during camp and always received helpful advice in the IRC channel. Please keep this project going! [[User:Alxndr|Alxndr]] ([[User talk:Alxndr|talk]])

=== Bars and food court ===

* The capacity of the food-stands was quite low, which resulted in long waiting times. Not good with hungry kids. [[User:Fhp|Fhp]] ([[User talk:Fhp|talk]])
* Agree with above: low capacity for the commercial food stands. They also didn't seem to grasp the concept of 'lunch'. I expected them to be up and running around 13.00, but most of them weren't, resulting in even longer lines at the places that were open earlier. -- [[User:Dany|Dany]] ([[User talk:Dany|talk]])
* The food stands I've visited (Wok, Fries) had poor in-person advertising of everything that they were actually selling and how much it cost. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])
=== Buildup and teardown ===

* As one of the persons who collected what felt like a kilometre of Flatterband at teardown, and removed a pile of pegs it was attached to, I would like to thank those buildup angels who didn't sink the pegs below ground level. You made my job a lot easier! :) [[User:Alxndr|Alxndr]] ([[User talk:Alxndr|talk]])

=== COVID19 precautions ===

* Thanks for caring about ventilation. [https://grafana.mch2022.org/d/q9gZutJ7z/mch2022?orgId=1&viewPanel=30&from=1658492800367&to=1658853839068 CO2 meters] and open sides weren't in place during the opening talk, but this was fixed quickly after and I heard the security team kept an eye on the graphs. --[[User:Juerd|Juerd]] ([[User talk:Juerd|talk]]) 20:43, 30 July 2022 (CEST)
* I liked the availability of masks and self tests for those who forgot to bring their own. I've heard about a few dozen people who got infected, but there were probably more. Thanks to the rapid tests and the heroes who chose to isolate, we may have averted a disastrous superspreading event. --[[User:Juerd|Juerd]] ([[User talk:Juerd|talk]]) 22:02, 30 July 2022 (CEST)
** Very much appreciated the easy availability of masks and rapid tests. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])
* It would have been good to switch from recommended to required mask wearing, at least indoors, once it became clear that "personal responsibility" wasn't working out (even in this community, what a disappointment). [[User:Alxndr|Alxndr]] ([[User talk:Alxndr|talk]])
** Agreeing on all points. Was also a bit disappointed. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])

=== Cohesion ===

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=== Content / talks / heralds / speakerdesk / AV / recordings ===

* In the end it worked pretty well, but perhaps do ponder having some "known good" presenter laptops/devices available. This has worked very well for other conferences. I used a 200 euro Chromebook with a throwaway google account. -- [[User:Ahu|Ahu]] ([[User talk:Ahu|talk]])
* This is a matter of taste - if you light up the speakers real well, the audience can enjoy a well lighted speaker. But the speaker then often can't see the audience. And during my talks, I love to actually see the audience. This was better in 2017 (at least in Abacus and Battery). -- [[User:Ahu|Ahu]] ([[User talk:Ahu|talk]])
* The speaker desk and the room to work is absolutely ACE. -- [[User:Ahu|Ahu]] ([[User talk:Ahu|talk]])

=== Decoration / design ===

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=== Family / kids ===

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=== Finance/coins/payments ===

* Payment by card worked mostly well, other than the supermarket not accepting international cards. My main issue was that the payment system was not well enough explained before the actual event! The blog post and wiki page were pretty long and still left me confused about what the actual payment system on the field was going to end up being. Even a simple "TL;DR we will use regular international payment cards with chip/contactless" would have helped me. [[User:Vurpo|Vurpo]] ([[User talk:Vurpo|talk]]) 21:04, 30 July 2022 (CEST)
* I asked at several bars and the food court where I could get the prepaid card for the MCH payment system, but nobody knew, so I ended up using my regular payment card. [[User:Alxndr|Alxndr]] ([[User talk:Alxndr|talk]]
**The MCH payment system only was operational from about day 3. - [[User:Noor|Noor]]
* I liked the idea of the cashless QR-code, especially the later upgrade to a "hard card" rather than just a stub of thermal paper. Avoids using the big payment providers and frees one of having to carry around cash. However I would've loved seeing more universal acceptance around the event (for example at the supermarket). -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])

=== Harbour / Ferry ===

* Loved the ferry service not as much as a shuttle to the other side of the water way, but as a way to enjoy some quiet time and light breeze as a way to (mentally) recharge away from the event. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])

=== Information / infodesk / wiki ===

* The infodesk should've been open for longer/as long as possible. (background: I've sat on the NOC helpdesk a bunch of times after the last infodesk angles were gone and dealt with quite a few people that were originally looking for the helpdesk; also being able to respond to infodesk calls for longer). -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])

=== Lounges ===

* Silent lounge was very well done. Nicely decorated and people behaving very considerate (i.e. really tried to be silent). No wonder that it was popular to the point where it could've used more pillows. I was worried that people would start camping inside the lounge (similar things happen at congress for example), but that didn't turn out to be true. I've seen plenty of people taking a nap away from the noise of the event, but thankfully nobody started living inside the lounge. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])
* Besides the silent lounge, I wish there were more places for people, especially for those without a village, to relax in the shade near an Ethernet port and power socket. In the harbour there was the wood table with tent roof and the bar with a couple of seats, but away from power sockets and besides that a few deckchairs. Otherwise mostly hard wooden benches without shade (and power sockets). -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])

=== Merchandise ===

* The designs look great, I'm a fan of the asymmetry and the patterned sleeves. Not being able to go a size up or down from what you ordered online was kind of disappointing. Not a major issue for myself but I know of several people who were sad about this. The [[merch exchange]] is not a great solution, but better than nothing. --[[User:Juerd|Juerd]] ([[User talk:Juerd|talk]]) 20:54, 30 July 2022 (CEST)
* Merch was great: Awesome design and high quality. Preodering saved me from having to stay in a (humongous) line in the heat. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])
* I absolutely love the hexagonal patterns and diagrams, but the amount of purple/pink was enough to keep me from buying more than a hat (that, and sizes being too big for me). - [[User:Noor|Noor]] ([[User talk:Noor|talk]])

=== Miscellaneous ===

* Swan family was pretty relaxed with all the people and activity, camping out in the middle of the terrain. - [[User:Noor|Noor]] ([[User talk:Noor|talk]]

=== Music/laser stage / silent disco / Symphony of Fire ===

* Music stage with the flamethrowers, and Symphony of Fire were awesome. - [[User:Noor|Noor]] ([[User talk:Noor|talk]])

=== NOC / Network ===

* My SFP+ module got to stay in a datenklo. A++++ would camp again. -- [[User:Q3k|Q3k]] ([[User talk:Q3k|talk]])

=== Off-Site Logistics ===

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=== On-Site Logistics ===

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=== Other music/noise (outside the official party area) ===

* Bit torn on this one. It is a party event, but there was way too much loud music post 2 AM. Some of us do need sleep. I know, weak etc. I don't recall seeing a clear policy on what is acceptable, might be behind people feeling ok cranking up the volume after midnight. -- [[User:Ahu|Ahu]] ([[User talk:Ahu|talk]])
* The Retro Arcade area was an absolute nuisance at night. They were blasting the neighbouring villages with shitty music and drunken yelling until 2 or 3 am pretty much every day. I can think of several words for this kind of behaviour, and none of them rhyme with "excellent". [[User:Alxndr|Alxndr]] ([[User talk:Alxndr|talk]])
* It seems like while the official policy was 'no noise after 1AM', it wasn't actively enforced for most cases - and I think that enabled people to also treat it a bit more like a hint rather than a rule? Perhaps for future events we should have numerical 'loudness' scores for all fields, forming a gradient, with a higher score letting people be louder and party later, and actually enforce that. That way loud people can camp in loud villages, while those who need peace and quiet can camp in quiet villages. -- [[User:Q3k|Q3k]] ([[User talk:Q3k|talk]])

=== POC / Dect / Fieldphones ===
* I couldn't find advance information as to when the phone / DECT network would be shut off on the wiki, having such information would be useful (but I may just have been looking in the wrong place) -- [[User:Pinoaffe|Pinoaffe]] ([[User talk:Pinoaffe|talk]])
* DECT coverage was great around the whole camp area. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])
* DECT self-registration worked great (have been used to it for a while now from congress). -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])

=== Parcel deliveries ===
* Many people that ordered things to the field were (seemingly) unaware of how parcel deliveries were supposed to work. This caused unnecessary overhead. -- [[User:Pinoaffe|Pinoaffe]] ([[User talk:Pinoaffe|talk]])
* Collaborating with C3Post may be worthwhile for a next event, though they may not want to deal with large packages. -- [[User:Pinoaffe|Pinoaffe]] ([[User talk:Pinoaffe|talk]])
** Delivering anything of real value sounds like a bad idea (on big events). Besides being way more effort than postcards, parcels (pending delivery) would require (secure-ish) storage space while not out for relivery or if the first delivery attempt failed. We'd also need extra couriers and not hand deliveries out to random passing-by hackers, which also leaks the info on the parcel (such as tracking numbers) to said random hackers. Also some postcards just got lost/didn't get delivered, which would be a real issue with parcels. -- [[User:Trilader|Trilader]] ([[User talk:Trilader|talk]])

=== Press / Media coverage ===

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=== Productiehuis / C3VOC ===
* MOST EXCELLENT WORK!! -- [[User:Ahu|Ahu]] ([[User talk:Ahu|talk]])
* The video-quality of the (few) talks I watched online was good, and I saw some nice fade effects. [[User:Fhp|Fhp]] ([[User talk:Fhp|talk]])
* The hard cutoff of the intro tune annoys me every time. [[User:Fhp|Fhp]] ([[User talk:Fhp|talk]])

=== Projectleiding ===

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=== ROC ===

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=== Safety / stewards / first aid / Fire Marshalls ===

* Phone numbers or other contact information was hard to find at the beginning of the event, added to the wiki later. --[[User:Juerd|Juerd]] ([[User talk:Juerd|talk]]) 20:47, 30 July 2022 (CEST)
* There were no backup mobile phone numbers (at least none published) for reaching the safety teams in case of infrastructure outage, and they were unreachable when the network was down. --[[User:Juerd|Juerd]] ([[User talk:Juerd|talk]]) 20:47, 30 July 2022 (CEST)
* Security: Bike path was open to all, so technically anyone could get on the terrain without a ticket. Which meant at least a few unwelcome visitors. - [[User:Noor|Noor]] ([[User talk:Noor|talk]])

=== Shuttle services (train station, and luggage on site) ===

* Shuttle drop-off point on field should have been marked somewhere on the maps or wiki, during build-up. I spent forever asking around trying to find the drop-off point, only to find it at heaven. - [[User:Noor|Noor]] ([[User talk:Noor|talk]])

=== Supermarket ===

* The supermarket was a really valuable addition to the event, and probably saved lots of fuel and time for people. I found the prices acceptable, and the choice of products was surprisingly broad! --[[User:Juerd|Juerd]] ([[User talk:Juerd|talk]]) 20:47, 30 July 2022 (CEST)
* Supermarket was a great thing and I hope we'll have it at the next event. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])
* Supermarket was wonderful, it felt like being back in civilization again and I could just zip inside to get a drink or breakfast for the next morning. - [[User:Noor|Noor]] ([[User talk:Noor|talk]])

=== Sysadmin / bofh ===

* Having had to deal with the crumbling of central infrastructure in other events, I really appreciated the stability of the wiki and Engelsystem before and throughout the event. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])

=== Terrain ===

* The western way to quiet camping was not accessible: so narrow that you can only go one way at a time and a huge log being in the way.

=== Ticket and Entrance ===

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=== Toilets / Showers ===

* The maintenance crew for the toilets/showers did a great job, IMHO, those facilities where usually in very good shape. [[User:Alxndr|Alxndr]] ([[User talk:Alxndr|talk]])
* Easily the best showers of any hacker camp I've been to. -- [[User:Q3k|Q3k]] ([[User talk:Q3k|talk]])
* There should have been showers closer to the quiet camping area. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])

=== Villages ===

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=== Village tent/furniture rental (Moebelhaus) ===

* Our tent ended up being rotated by pi/2 compared to the map. This ended up totally throwing off what we were planning. We managed regardless, but it'd be great if in the future these maps would actually reflect reality :). -- [[User:Q3k|Q3k]] ([[User talk:Q3k|talk]])
* Our tent was leaking, especially on the connector between modules. -- [[User:Q3k|Q3k]] ([[User talk:Q3k|talk]])

=== Visitors ===

* Most visitors were excellent, as always. But in the next few years when thinking of the next event, we should probably talk about people who I guess must be new to this community, that are incredibly lax with the photo/filming policy, and behave like consumers instead of participants. --[[User:Juerd|Juerd]] ([[User talk:Juerd|talk]]) 20:49, 30 July 2022 (CEST)

=== Volunteering / Angels ===

* Providing the angels with reusable water bottles was a very good idea. [[User:Alxndr|Alxndr]] ([[User talk:Alxndr|talk]])
** Agreed -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])

==== Volunteering ====

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==== Angel Food ====

* My only complaint about Mecklenb[öoøu]rg(er)? is that I still don't know how to spell their name. The food is wonderful, the people are great too! --[[User:Juerd|Juerd]] ([[User talk:Juerd|talk]]) 20:51, 30 July 2022 (CEST)
* The food was great, as always :) -- [[User:Pinoaffe|Pinoaffe]] ([[User talk:Pinoaffe|talk]])
* The angel food was incredible. One of the highlights of this event. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])
* Angel food was mostly great, except for the dinner on day 0 and some dishes otherwise. I'd also have appreciated some sort of meat at least every other day. - [[User:Noor|Noor]] ([[User talk:Noor|talk]])

==== Angel desk and Angel system ====

* I'd really like it if the Engelsystem alert emails contained the actual update in the email content. I'd get spammed with email notifications and if I wanted to actually read the update, I'd have to click through and login to the Engelsystem. I just ended up leaving most of those updates unread throughout the day. - [[User:Noor|Noor]] ([[User talk:Noor|talk]])

==== Heaven ====

* Put your feedback here :)

=== Warehouse ===

* Put your feedback here :)

=== Waste / garbage / trash ===

* Slightly sad that trash was just split into “glass” and “everything else”. It'd be nice if we could at least recycle cardboard/paper! -- [[User:Q3k|Q3k]] ([[User talk:Q3k|talk]])
** Agreed. Throwing everything into the "Other Waste" containers felt wrong. I understand this was on the waste company dropping the ball. Let's make sure this won't happen at the next event. -- [[User:Rot13|Rot13]] ([[User talk:Rot13|talk]])
* an awful lot of mate etc bottles ended up in glass trash I think - the later-deployed bottle collection crates helped with that -- [[User:SK|SK]] ([[User talk:SK|talk]])

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2022-07-30T22:49:59Z

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